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Revnir
06/11/21 1:16:09 AM
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Would you be surprised?

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Big_Nabendu
06/11/21 1:29:02 AM
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She can get her money when she sucks it out of my ass

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SiO4
06/11/21 1:39:39 AM
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LMAO

Also, we decided we were going to be the world police, so they got that.
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UberEats
06/11/21 1:41:52 AM
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I'd tell the queen to kiss my red, white, and blue balls
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buddhamonster
06/11/21 1:46:02 AM
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Theres this thing called the Treaty of Paris.

It states:

  1. Britain acknowledges the United States (New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia[16]) to be free, sovereign, and independent states, and that the British Crown and all heirs and successors relinquish claims to the Government, property, and territorial rights of the same, and every part thereof,


So, in a nutshell, they get nothing.

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SiO4
06/11/21 1:51:24 AM
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buddhamonster posted...
So, in a nutshell, they get nothing.


They have us to do their dirty work though.
Some resident of 10 Downing Street has gotten a chuckle out of that for sure.
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Crono99
06/11/21 2:18:57 AM
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buddhamonster posted...
Theres this thing called the Treaty of Paris.

It states:

1. Britain acknowledges the United States (New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia[16]) to be free, sovereign, and independent states, and that the British Crown and all heirs and successors relinquish claims to the Government, property, and territorial rights of the same, and every part thereof,

So, in a nutshell, they get nothing.

Hmm... wouldn't that mean they can still do something about the other states?

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KawiKa
06/11/21 2:25:21 AM
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Crono99 posted...
Hmm... wouldn't that mean they can still do something about the other states?
Didn't other countries like The Netherlands, Spain etc lay claim to some states?

I have no idea about all the history over there cos I'm a Limey :P

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DeadBankerDream
06/11/21 2:25:57 AM
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Can't she just accept Unfair as payment?

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Crono99
06/11/21 2:26:43 AM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Can't she just accept Unfair as payment?

He's still stuck over there?

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catboy
06/11/21 2:34:22 AM
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Crono99 posted...
He's still stuck over there?
he's stuck in a washing machine please help him

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SiO4
06/11/21 2:42:07 AM
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KawiKa posted...

Didn't other countries like The Netherlands, Spain etc lay claim to some states?

I have no idea about all the history over there cos I'm a Limey :P


Holland was one of the first colonizers.
New York was Nieuw Amsterdam.
Albany was Beverwyck.

They basically invented NYC.
And Albany is a really old town for how inland it is.

I really wonder what life would be like if this area was still Dutch.
I honestly think their influence was largely beneficial as things go.
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DrizztLink
06/11/21 2:42:50 AM
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haloiscoolisbak
06/11/21 2:45:58 AM
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The irony being of course the British are long over this war and americans still bring it up like it matters

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KawiKa
06/11/21 2:46:25 AM
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SiO4 posted...
Holland was one of the first colonizers.
New York was Nieuw Amsterdam.
Albany was Beverwyck.

They basically invented NYC.
And Albany is a really old town for how inland it is.

I really wonder what life would be like if this area was still Dutch.
I honestly think their influence was largely beneficial as things go.
Cool, still learning at my age :D

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SiO4
06/11/21 3:40:41 AM
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KawiKa posted...

Cool, still learning at my age :D


Haha, Ya, I live just outside of what would be The Dutch Colonie.
They started public schools had reasonable relationships with The Native Americans.
It was more just commerce but not conquest.
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Crazyman93
06/11/21 5:19:37 AM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Can't she just accept Unfair as payment?
We should be paying her to keep him really.

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Kakapo
06/11/21 5:21:07 AM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Can't she just accept Unfair as payment?
I think that would require even more reparations

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spikethedevil
06/11/21 5:43:23 AM
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She doesnt have the power to ask for then or in fact any real power she can use at all.

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ShyOx
06/11/21 6:06:24 AM
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I think us bailing out Europe during WW2 pretty well absolves us of anything. Without us everyone in Europe is speaking German or french. Of course the war also did much and more to lift us out of a depression sooooooo....

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spikethedevil
06/11/21 6:10:26 AM
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ShyOx posted...
I think us bailing out Europe during WW2 pretty well absolves us of anything. Without us everyone in Europe is speaking German or french. Of course the war also did much and more to lift us out of a depression sooooooo....

True though tbf you only got involved because of Pearl Harbour. And France was an ally in WW 1 and 2 @ShyOx

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DrizztLink
06/11/21 6:12:49 AM
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ShyOx posted...
Without us everyone in Europe is speaking German or french.
wat

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indica
06/11/21 6:14:10 AM
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Aren't the aggressors/losers of conflicts usually put on the hook for the bill? Like Germany for both WW1 and 2?

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spikethedevil
06/11/21 6:15:43 AM
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indica posted...
Aren't the aggressors/losers of conflicts usually put on the hook for the bill? Like Germany for both WW1 and 2?

WW1 is more complicated than that and many would argue Germany taking all the blame and punishment for WW1 was unfair.

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Machete
06/11/21 6:19:01 AM
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I would fully support her taking 6-9 times trump's net worth from trump
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indica
06/11/21 6:20:17 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
WW1 is more complicated than that and many would argue Germany taking all the blame and punishment for WW1 was unfair.
Oh, my statement isn't about fairness, just simply how these thing have played out.

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ShyOx
06/11/21 6:21:29 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
True though tbf you only got involved because of Pearl Harbour. And France was an ally in WW 1 and 2 @ShyOx

Southern France aka Vichy France was with the nazis; their own countrymen conspiring against them. I love the French and I love the language but this was a tremendous fuck up. You realize that with a United France the US may never have needed to be involved period? UK was the biggest power in the world.

As for us only getting involved because of Pearl Harbor:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_on_Hudson

I love that film :3

indica posted...
Aren't the aggressors/losers of conflicts usually put on the hook for the bill? Like Germany for both WW1 and 2?

Nah after WW2 the US paid out majorly for reparations to Germany and Japan. And created two of our best allies ;3

I miss the days of realizing investments in countries when it comes to capitalism and freedom.

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spikethedevil
06/11/21 6:28:41 AM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_France

@ShyOx They basically got taken over and is more complicated then you think

US was neutral by choice and would not gave gotten involved if not for Pearl Harbour.


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indica
06/11/21 6:32:47 AM
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ShyOx posted...
Southern France aka Vichy France was with the nazis; their own countrymen conspiring against them. I love the French and I love the language but this was a tremendous fuck up. You realize that with a United France the US may never have needed to be involved period? UK was the biggest power in the world.

As for us only getting involved because of Pearl Harbor:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_on_Hudson

I love that film :3

Nah after WW2 the US paid out majorly for reparations to Germany and Japan. And created two of our best allies ;3

I miss the days of realizing investments in countries when it comes to capitalism and freedom.
Cool stuff, I know Germany wasn't able to pay off the debt for WW1 until 2010, but I swear I read that Germany was still paying reparations for WW2 then I could be wrong...

After World War II, according to the Potsdam conference held between July 17 and August 2, 1945, Germany was to pay the Allies US$23 billion mainly in machinery and manufacturing plants. Reparations to the Soviet Union stopped in 1953. Large numbers of factories were dismantled or destroyed.

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spikethedevil
06/11/21 6:33:49 AM
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indica posted...
Cool stuff, I know Germany wasn't able to pay off the debt for WW1 until 2010, but I swear I read that Germany was still paying reparations for WW2 then I could be wrong...

After World War II, according to the Potsdam conference held between July 17 and August 2, 1945, Germany was to pay the Allies US$23 billion mainly in machinery and manufacturing plants. Reparations to the Soviet Union stopped in 1953. Large numbers of factories were dismantled or destroyed.

Wow I did not know the WW1 part of that.


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indica
06/11/21 6:37:09 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
Wow I did not know the WW1 part of that.
Yeah, it's crazy

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ShyOx
06/11/21 6:37:17 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_France

@ShyOx They basically got taken over and is more complicated then you think

US was neutral by choice and would not gave gotten involved if not for Pearl Harbour.

I aint an expert by any means my friend.... But not getting involved would have been a fucking colossal mistake with the profit to be made. And I'm not so sure youre right either; I think the US in terms of leadership was itching for it.

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indica
06/11/21 6:41:27 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_France

@ShyOx They basically got taken over and is more complicated then you think

US was neutral by choice and would not gave gotten involved if not for Pearl Harbour.

ShyOx posted...
I aint an expert by any means my friend.... But not getting involved would have been a fucking colossal mistake with the profit to be made. And I'm not so sure youre right either; I think the US in terms of leadership was itching for it.
Actually, it's well known that FDR planned and wanted to enter the war but the U.S. public was super against it, so when Pearl Harbor happened...
There's even some conspiracy (meaning I'm not sure how true it is) that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor but allowed it to happen anyway

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buddhamonster
06/11/21 6:54:00 AM
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indica posted...
Actually, it's well known that FDR planned and wanted to enter the war but the U.S. public was super against it, so when Pearl Harbor happened...
There's even some conspiracy (meaning I'm not sure how true it is) that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor but allowed it to happen anyway

I dont think FDR necessarily knew Pearl Harbor was coming, but the idea that he anticipated war with Japan is certainly up there in terms of feasibility. Every geopolitical move the US made after the first year of conflict in China (which remember, starts in 1937) was absolutely moves that greatly increased the odds of conflict with Japan.

On top of that, FDR was heavily involved in the Atlantic shipping once the European theatre got hot, and again, made a bunch of moves that made it clear America was a de facto ally to Britain.

FDRs actions are mostly that of a man who desperately wants into the war, but was hamstrung by a political system and people who didnt want to fight. Which is to say, he did everything he could short of declaring war specifically in the hopes that at some point war support amongst the citizens would flip and the US could enter. Pearl Harbor was an undeniable event that could not be ignored, but it would not surprise me in the least if in the alternate timeline where that doesnt happen, he likely finds another way to enter anyway.

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ShyOx
06/11/21 7:00:07 AM
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buddhamonster posted...
I dont think FDR necessarily knew Pearl Harbor was coming, but the idea that he anticipated war with Japan is certainly up there in terms of feasibility. Every geopolitical move the US made after the first year of conflict in China (which remember, starts in 1937) was absolutely moves that greatly increased the odds of conflict with Japan.

On top of that, FDR was heavily involved in the Atlantic shipping once the European theatre got hot, and again, made a bunch of moves that made it clear America was a de facto ally to Britain.

FDRs actions are mostly that of a man who desperately wants into the war, but was hamstrung by a political system and people who didnt want to fight. Which is to say, he did everything he could short of declaring war specifically in the hopes that at some point war support amongst the citizens would flip and the US could enter. Pearl Harbor was an undeniable event that could not be ignored, but it would not surprise me in the least if in the alternate timeline where that doesnt happen, he likely finds another way to enter anyway.

I mean....Dude nails it here lol.

World was being decided in Europe. Sitting out left you ar mercy to what was coming.

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Lord_Shadow
06/11/21 7:21:10 AM
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https://youtu.be/_n5E7feJHw0

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awesome999
06/11/21 7:23:14 AM
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That would be hilariously hypocritical of them
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Unsugarized_Foo
06/11/21 7:32:14 AM
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Send them a bill for WW2

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Crazyman93
06/11/21 12:51:19 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
US was neutral by choice and would not gave gotten involved if not for Pearl Harbour.
We probably wouldn't have gotten involved in Europe had Hitler not been stupid enough to declare war on us for declaring war on Japan. It was easy for FDR to say "they hit us and we can't stand for that" but he had an uphill battle on "we also need to go back to Europe."

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Criminalt
06/11/21 1:12:08 PM
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indica posted...
I know Germany wasn't able to pay off the debt for WW1 until 2010
I'm not certain about that. Germany's reparations debts were cancelled at the Lausanne Conference in June 1932, and the token final payment of 3 billion marks that Germany made in July 1932 was a meaningless gesture because the bonds were deposited at the Bank for International Settlements -- but the bonds were never issued, and the bank burned them in 1948.

Could you be thinking of the interwar debts (as distinct from reparations) that Germany owed to foreign creditors (80% of them in the USA, UK, The Netherlands and Switzerland) under the London Debt Agreement of 1953? The final payment was made on October 3, 2010. The London Debt Agreement didn't have anything to do with reparations, which were specifically excluded from the agreement by Article 5.

So in short, Germany stopped paying WW1 reparations in 1932, but continued paying interwar debts owed to foreign lenders until 2010.

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buddhamonster
06/11/21 6:24:35 PM
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Crazyman93 posted...
We probably wouldn't have gotten involved in Europe had Hitler not been stupid enough to declare war on us for declaring war on Japan. It was easy for FDR to say "they hit us and we can't stand for that" but he had an uphill battle on "we also need to go back to Europe."
I disagree. FDR was sending destroyers to Britain and already starting the process of convey escorting before even joining.

It's similar to WW1, where if you put enough merchant vessels out there with enough navy power to protect them, unrestricted submarine warfare would have eventually pushed the Americans into war. After all, it's hard to rationalize neutrality when you're losing American merchantmen and destroyers to an enemy that's sitting right off your coast.

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Flauros
06/11/21 6:26:00 PM
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BilalPowell
06/11/21 6:26:53 PM
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I declare immunity due to not having any American blood relatives in 1776

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DemonBuffet
06/11/21 6:35:24 PM
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I will tell her to suck my weiner in front of her pussy royal family.

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indica
06/11/21 8:03:55 PM
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Criminalt posted...
I'm not certain about that. Germany's reparations debts were cancelled at the Lausanne Conference in June 1932, and the token final payment of 3 billion marks that Germany made in July 1932 was a meaningless gesture because the bonds were deposited at the Bank for International Settlements -- but the bonds were never issued, and the bank burned them in 1948.

Could you be thinking of the interwar debts (as distinct from reparations) that Germany owed to foreign creditors (80% of them in the USA, UK, The Netherlands and Switzerland) under the London Debt Agreement of 1953? The final payment was made on October 3, 2010. The London Debt Agreement didn't have anything to do with reparations, which were specifically excluded from the agreement by Article 5.

So in short, Germany stopped paying WW1 reparations in 1932, but continued paying interwar debts owed to foreign lenders until 2010.
Yeah, it gets a little confusing when separating reparations and other debt:
https://www.history.com/news/germany-world-war-i-debt-treaty-versailles
From the article, "it took decades for Germany to pay off the rest of its reparations debt."

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Crazyman93
06/12/21 1:58:50 AM
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buddhamonster posted...
I disagree. FDR was sending destroyers to Britain and already starting the process of convey escorting before even joining.
FDR wanted the war, but I'm talking about getting Congress to officially declare war.

Not that "officially at war" means fuck all in the US anymore and hasn't really since... Vietnam may have been the last time, but Korea certainly was. We're not officially at war with the Taliban, or ISIS.

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