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IfGodCouldDie
06/13/21 11:12:47 PM
#202:


Cheese_Crackers posted...
No? I'm not sure what would give you that impression. The point of my previous post is that the "it comes from the comics" defense isn't a valid defense at all.
So they are making a live action saga based on those very same comics, but you want them to what?

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Cheese_Crackers
06/13/21 11:17:07 PM
#203:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
So they are making a live action saga based on those very same comics, but you want them to what?
No one forced them to choose that specific comic storyline to adapt. At some point an exec or writer said "the TVA are cool, let's do that". So I want them to not choose terrible comic plots. Or adapt them to fit the established MCU canon.

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Cheese_Crackers
06/13/21 11:18:02 PM
#204:


daynlokki posted...
Yes and those comics were before Disney. This was always the direction it had to go to get everything in the same universe.
Huh? I don't get your argument. Are you saying that their plan has always been to have the comics and MCU take place in different universes in the same multiverse? Because there seems to be little evidence for that.

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IfGodCouldDie
06/13/21 11:26:45 PM
#205:


Cheese_Crackers posted...
No one forced them to choose that specific comic storyline to adapt. At some point an exec or writer said "the TVA are cool, let's do that". So I want them to not choose terrible comic plots. Or adapt them to fit the established MCU canon.
I mean time travel ends up being pretty integral to the Marvel universe.

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daynlokki
06/14/21 12:46:21 AM
#206:


Cheese_Crackers posted...
Huh? I don't get your argument. Are you saying that their plan has always been to have the comics and MCU take place in different universes in the same multiverse? Because there seems to be little evidence for that.
How long has the multiverse been a major plot point for Marvel in the comics again?
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IfGodCouldDie
06/14/21 12:50:12 AM
#207:


daynlokki posted...
How long has the multiverse been a major plot point for Marvel in the comics again?
He doesn't know, he's already said he hasn't read any of the comics.

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Cheese_Crackers
06/14/21 2:20:35 AM
#208:


I feel like we're going in circles here.

I understand that the Marvel comic lore has certain aspects that have been mainstays for some time, including time travel and the multiverse. But that says absolutely nothing about the implementation of it in other media. I'm arguing about the quality of the writing in Loki as an MCU property. "It happened in the comics" is not a defense of the writing, just like changing the lore from the comics to the MCU is not a criticism of the writing.

How many tweaks to the lore have been made in adapting the comics to the MCU? Infinity War is clearly an adaptation of the Infinity Gauntlet storyline, but the movie is extremely different. Thanos's core motivation was changed, and I'd argue all day that it fits the MCU better.

I don't care if they leave time travel or the multiverse out of the MCU. Whatever they do, just make it good. Hell, most of the good MCU movies make no reference to it (Civil War, GotG, IW).

For the record, I have read some standalone comics like IG and Civil War, but no, I wouldn't consider myself a comics fan.

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Darmik
06/14/21 2:38:10 AM
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Yeah the multiverse stuff was inevitable if the MCU went long enough. Even the CW shows did it a couple of years ago.

I'm also not sure why the concept of fate is upsetting you so much.

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BeyondWalls
06/14/21 2:49:27 AM
#210:



"But it happened in the comics!"

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IfGodCouldDie
06/14/21 2:50:53 AM
#211:


Cheese_Crackers posted...
I feel like we're going in circles here.

I understand that the Marvel comic lore has certain aspects that have been mainstays for some time, including time travel and the multiverse. But that says absolutely nothing about the implementation of it in other media. I'm arguing about the quality of the writing in Loki as an MCU property. "It happened in the comics" is not a defense of the writing, just like changing the lore from the comics to the MCU is not a criticism of the writing.

How many tweaks to the lore have been made in adapting the comics to the MCU? Infinity War is clearly an adaptation of the Infinity Gauntlet storyline, but the movie is extremely different. Thanos's core motivation was changed, and I'd argue all day that it fits the MCU better.

I don't care if they leave time travel or the multiverse out of the MCU. Whatever they do, just make it good. Hell, most of the good MCU movies make no reference to it (Civil War, GotG, IW).

For the record, I have read some standalone comics like IG and Civil War, but no, I wouldn't consider myself a comics fan.
Do you have inside knowledge in to how the rest of the series plays out or something?

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daynlokki
06/14/21 10:17:50 AM
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Seems like a long rant about the first episode of a series. Of course you dont have a full grasp of whats actually occurring. Youre like 1:10th of the way through Lokis first season lol.
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lolife67
06/14/21 10:21:38 AM
#213:


BeyondWalls posted...

"But it happened in the comics!"
Which they adapted as his blade in Endgame.
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RetsuZaiZen
06/14/21 12:05:09 PM
#214:


daynlokki posted...
Seems like a long rant about the first episode of a series. Of course you dont have a full grasp of whats actually occurring. Youre like 1:10th of the way through Lokis first season lol.

I mean they only have five episodes left so they need to have shit firmly established by Ep 2, Ep 3 at the latest.

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daynlokki
06/14/21 12:13:51 PM
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RetsuZaiZen posted...
I mean they only have five episodes left so they need to have shit firmly established by Ep 2, Ep 3 at the latest.
So 16% done with only the first season. They are already working on season 2 as well. Do people usually make decisions based on 16% of something?
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UnfairRepresent
06/14/21 3:29:37 PM
#216:


daynlokki posted...
But you need to otherwise you cant introduce X-men, Inhumans, Deadpool, or anything else to the MCU. So how are you adding in all these things without a multiverse? I mean X-men have been around since the Cuban missile crisis. Magneto threatened the president. Yet in the sacred timeline, there ARE NO MUTANTS.

A multiverse (which has been a thing for comic books for pretty much ever) is the only way to fold all this together. All the events that have happened so far can actually just slide back in. Different timelines have differing results. Also- the reason they used the X-men version of Pietro in Wandavision.
Why?

They didn't need to bring in Willem Dafoe and Tobey Maguire when Spiderman turned up.

Why the fuck does the MCU need Jessica Alba and the dude who played Toad In order to introduce new characters?

Thor and Iron man just turned up and it was fine

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Medussa
06/14/21 3:32:49 PM
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the F4 can be introduced without any historical issues. mutants can't, without just abandoning a lot of the iconic ones. unless you're ok handwaving away "well, why didn't they ever get involved". but, as you've been saying all along... that's terrible writing.

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InfinityMonster
06/14/21 3:34:53 PM
#218:


daynlokki posted...
So 16% done with only the first season. They are already working on season 2 as well. Do people usually make decisions based on 16% of something?
There are no plans for season 2. None of the D+ MCU shows have plans for second seasons.

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daynlokki
06/14/21 4:37:51 PM
#219:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Why?

They didn't need to bring in Willem Dafoe and Tobey Maguire when Spiderman turned up.

Why the fuck does the MCU need Jessica Alba and the dude who played Toad In order to introduce new characters?

Thor and Iron man just turned up and it was fine
They are adding mutants to a timeline that has had none whatsoever. You expecting 200 year old Wolverine to just pop up and act like hes been here the whole time. Ya we know about the snap and how it was a big deal, but the X-men honestly just didnt give a fuck whatsoever
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daynlokki
06/14/21 4:39:27 PM
#220:


InfinityMonster posted...
There are no plans for season 2. None of the D+ MCU shows have plans for second seasons.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inverse.com/entertainment/loki-season-2-confirmed-shooting-date-january-2020-release/amp

Yup no plans at all.
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UnfairRepresent
06/14/21 5:29:13 PM
#221:


daynlokki posted...
They are adding mutants to a timeline that has had none whatsoever. You expecting 200 year old Wolverine to just pop up and act like hes been here the whole time. Ya we know about the snap and how it was a big deal, but the X-men honestly just didnt give a fuck whatsoever
As opposed to 2000 Year old Thor who just turned up.

I don't get why you think Wolverine would be a hard character to insert into the MCU

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Funkydog
06/14/21 5:30:48 PM
#222:


daynlokki posted...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inverse.com/entertainment/loki-season-2-confirmed-shooting-date-january-2020-release/amp

Yup no plans at all.
Do you expect us to believe easily searchable facts or a random person on the internet who is certain of something?

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InfinityMonster
06/14/21 5:32:35 PM
#223:


daynlokki posted...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inverse.com/entertainment/loki-season-2-confirmed-shooting-date-january-2020-release/amp

Yup no plans at all.
I mean, it's probably happening since it's PW, but that doesn't really confirm it and the article even makes it clear that Marvel made it clear these were one time things. Good to hear though.

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daynlokki
06/14/21 5:43:20 PM
#224:


InfinityMonster posted...
I mean, it's probably happening since it's PW, but that doesn't really confirm it and the article even makes it clear that Marvel made it clear these were one time things. Good to hear though.
Article directly spells out pre production for season 2 of Loki is already beginning. You think shows routinely go into pre production when they arent planning a 2nd season? All the others were limited series meant to be one offs.

You read that right: Loki Season 2, which will star Tom Hiddleston reprising his role from the Marvel Cinematic Universe films, is currently in some stage of pre-production with a target shooting date of January 2022.
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daynlokki
06/14/21 5:44:35 PM
#225:


UnfairRepresent posted...
As opposed to 2000 Year old Thor who just turned up.

I don't get why you think Wolverine would be a hard character to insert into the MCU
Well you mean outside of everything he has done up until 2021 not happening at ALL in the Marvel Universe? Hes also not the only mutant. All of which have been doing things since MCU started in a separate universe. Welcome to the multiverse and why its implemented.

2000 year old Thor is from a DIFFERENT PLANE OF EXISTENCE lmao. Of course he could be held out and then pop up randomly. Wolverine is from like fucking Canada.
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daynlokki
06/14/21 5:46:34 PM
#226:


Funkydog posted...
Do you expect us to believe easily searchable facts or a random person on the internet who is certain of something?
Well I mean they are in pre production with a tentative date to start filming in 2022
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Medussa
06/14/21 5:51:54 PM
#227:


yes, the weapon program could create a wolverine in 2025 (mcu time). it'd be a stretch for him to be james howlett, though. and it would be ridiculous for it to be a james howlett that is 150 years old.

it's not nearly as easy to introduce a magneto for the first time in 2025 (mcu time). uncoupling his backstory from auschwitz damages him, imo beyond repair. not doing so makes him a 90 year old who never actually meaningfully did anything with his powers.

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Funkydog
06/14/21 5:53:41 PM
#228:


daynlokki posted...
Well I mean they are in pre production with a tentative date to start filming in 2022
Those sound like facts, I'm sticking with the random internet person.

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InfinityMonster
06/14/21 5:55:31 PM
#229:


daynlokki posted...
Article directly spells out pre production for season 2 of Loki is already beginning. You think shows routinely go into pre production when they arent planning a 2nd season? All the others were limited series meant to be one offs.
Because it's not officially confirmed and PW, which does have a good track record since it's industry shit, has been wrong tons of times and stuff just never happened or was something in disguise. It could simply be another TVA show.

Regardless, Michael Waldron himself is not sure and this is from a week ago, not November.

https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/exclusive-loki-season-1-will-be-a-standalone-season/

I'll wait till the season ends and they announce something officially to get truly hyped.

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daynlokki
06/14/21 6:02:36 PM
#230:


InfinityMonster posted...
Because it's not officially confirmed and PW, which does have a good track record since it's industry shit, has been wrong tons of times and stuff just never happened or was something in disguise. It could simply be another TVA show.

Regardless, Michael Waldron himself is not sure and this is from a week ago, not November.

https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/exclusive-loki-season-1-will-be-a-standalone-season/

I'll wait till the season ends and they announce something officially to get truly hyped.
Last I heard Waldrons deal specifically stated he was on for Loki season 2 as well. Like, explicitly written in the contract.
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InfinityMonster
06/14/21 6:14:10 PM
#231:


Funkydog posted...
Those sound like facts, I'm sticking with the random internet person.
Production Weekly is not "facts" and I'm not denying it's probably happening, I made that clear in the first reply. I hope you understand the difference between something official and work listings for possible upcoming stuff.

daynlokki posted...
Last I heard Waldrons deal specifically stated he was on for Loki season 2 as well. Like, explicitly written in the contract.

Besides writing this new Star Wars film, the deal also is expected to bring back Waldron in some capacity for Season 2 of Loki. Not only is the deal a rarity at the studios, it clearly shows how much faith Disney, Marvel and Lucasfilm have in Waldron going forward and surely should open doors for years to come and many more high-profile properties.
Is the second paragraph yours? Where's the link?

"On for season 2" "explicitly written in the contract"

That's not what the second paragraph is saying. Why do I have a feeling that's from "inside sources" which is not confirmation of anything.

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Funkydog
06/14/21 6:49:11 PM
#232:


InfinityMonster posted...
Production Weekly is not "facts" and I'm not denying it's probably happening, I made that clear in the first reply. I hope you understand the difference between something official and work listings for possible upcoming stuff.
That's fair.

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