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Cheese_Crackers 06/10/21 5:58:32 PM #102:	ViewtifulGrave posted... TC doesnt realize that this stuff is lifted from the comics. That doesn't matter to me at all. If this happened in the comics then it was stupid there, too. --- Though the fear of death is a common one, the fear of life is a more rational one. <cite>Cheese_Crackers posted [p:954858936] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>ViewtifulGrave posted... </cite> <quote>TC doesnt realize that this stuff is lifted from the comics.</quote> That doesn't matter to me at all. If this happened in the comics then it was stupid there, too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheese_Crackers 06/10/21 5:59:10 PM #103:	BakonBitz posted... I will admit, simply saying "What the Avengers did was supposed to happen" felt like a cop-out explanation initially, but it's probably something they didn't want to bother explaining in extremely verbose terms just to get the plot going. So they wanted the concept of time cops to milk the Loki character but didn't want to do any actual writing to have it make sense. --- Though the fear of death is a common one, the fear of life is a more rational one. <cite>Cheese_Crackers posted [p:954858957] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>BakonBitz posted... </cite> <quote>I will admit, simply saying "What the Avengers did was supposed to happen" felt like a cop-out explanation initially, but it's probably something they didn't want to bother explaining in extremely verbose terms just to get the plot going.</quote> So they wanted the concept of time cops to milk the Loki character but didn't want to do any actual writing to have it make sense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheese_Crackers 06/10/21 6:05:06 PM #104:	Doom_Art posted... Why do I get the sense that you're looking for a reason to be angry TC I'm more disappointed than angry. I'll happily eat my words if they somehow "fix" this. Maybe Doctor Strange or the Ancient One apprehended Loki after he stole the tesseract and this is all actually a mental prison to get information out of him. That'd be fine. Otherwise I don't see how they can fix the existence of the TVA. Their existence alone is ridiculous. They can nullify the power of the Infinity Stones, so as Loki says, they're (or more accurately, the Timekeepers are) by far the greatest power in the universe that we've seen. They're all-knowing as they can see everything that has happened and will happen. So how can they ever be defeated? Oh, apparently by fire. Oh and some of them don't know what fish are, either, even though their sole purpose is to monitor the entire past and future. What would happen if Thanos with some Infinity Stones deviated from the sacred timeline and the TVA sent agents to apprehend him? If deviant-Loki can stop them with fire and daggers then surely Thanos can just disintegrate them with the Power Stone. Makes no sense. Yes, I know that in the comics the Stones are useless outside of their home universes. Yet the MCU has treated time travelling as universe-hopping up until now, so the time heist should've been a waste of time. Also, it's clear that the lore of the films is different enough that we shouldn't assume comic facts to patch up plot holes. --- Though the fear of death is a common one, the fear of life is a more rational one. <cite>Cheese_Crackers posted [p:954859148] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Doom_Art posted... </cite> <quote>Why do I get the sense that you're looking for a reason to be angry TC</quote> I'm more disappointed than angry. I'll happily eat my words if they somehow "fix" this. Maybe Doctor Strange or the Ancient One apprehended Loki after he stole the tesseract and this is all actually a mental prison to get information out of him. That'd be fine. Otherwise I don't see how they can fix the existence of the TVA. Their existence alone is ridiculous. They can nullify the power of the Infinity Stones, so as Loki says, they're (or more accurately, the Timekeepers are) by far the greatest power in the universe that we've seen. They're all-knowing as they can see everything that has happened and will happen. So how can they ever be defeated? Oh, apparently by fire. Oh and some of them don't know what fish are, either, even though their sole purpose is to monitor the entire past and future. What would happen if Thanos with some Infinity Stones deviated from the sacred timeline and the TVA sent agents to apprehend him? If deviant-Loki can stop them with fire and daggers then surely Thanos can just disintegrate them with the Power Stone. Makes no sense. Yes, I know that in the comics the Stones are useless outside of their home universes. Yet the MCU has treated time travelling as universe-hopping up until now, so the time heist should've been a waste of time. Also, it's clear that the lore of the films is different enough that we shouldn't assume comic facts to patch up plot holes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rexcrk 06/10/21 6:12:24 PM #105:	Or you could wait and see how things end on this show. God, what is it with nerds and all this doom n gloom shit? --- Bah weep grannah weep ni ni bon <cite>rexcrk posted [p:954859398] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Or you could wait and see how things end on this show. God, what is it with nerds and all this doom n gloom shit? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheese_Crackers 06/10/21 6:14:18 PM #106:	rexcrk posted... Or you could wait and see how things end on this show. God, what is it with nerds and all this doom n gloom shit? Is the nerd comment supposed to be an insult? Even if they pull a Rick and Morty and destroy the TVA by the end of the show - which doesn't make sense given the insane amount of power creep, but whatever - this doesn't change what I said about ruining the stakes of the previous movies. Unless they end with an "it was all a dream"-type twist, which is dumb for its own reasons. --- Though the fear of death is a common one, the fear of life is a more rational one. <cite>Cheese_Crackers posted [p:954859455] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>rexcrk posted... </cite> <quote>Or you could wait and see how things end on this show. God, what is it with nerds and all this doom n gloom shit?</quote> Is the nerd comment supposed to be an insult? Even if they pull a Rick and Morty and destroy the TVA by the end of the show - which doesn't make sense given the insane amount of power creep, but whatever - this doesn't change what I said about ruining the stakes of the previous movies. Unless they end with an "it was all a dream"-type twist, which is dumb for its own reasons. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RetsuZaiZen 06/10/21 6:18:40 PM #107:	008Zulu posted... The TVA know if you stray off your destined path, meaning they know the future. Therefore, they knew Stark and Antman would screw up and that Loki would get his hands on the Tesseract, and then use it. If they were that serious about divergent timelines, they should have made it so Hulk didn't break down the door causing Stark to drop the case. But since they didn't, Loki was meant to get hold of it and escape. This is a good point @pegusus123456 Thoughts? If you've said your piece already I apologize. --- Why do nerds always get caught up on the details? Michael Jordan is both the greatest and most overrated basketball player of all time. <cite>RetsuZaiZen posted [p:954859611] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>008Zulu posted... </cite> <quote>The TVA know if you stray off your destined path, meaning they know the future. Therefore, they knew Stark and Antman would screw up and that Loki would get his hands on the Tesseract, and then use it. If they were that serious about divergent timelines, they should have made it so Hulk didn't break down the door causing Stark to drop the case. But since they didn't, Loki was meant to get hold of it and escape.</quote> This is a good point @pegusus123456 Thoughts? If you've said your piece already I apologize. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheese_Crackers 06/10/21 6:25:00 PM #108:	008Zulu posted... The TVA know if you stray off your destined path, meaning they know the future. Therefore, they knew Stark and Antman would screw up and that Loki would get his hands on the Tesseract, and then use it. If they were that serious about divergent timelines, they should have made it so Hulk didn't break down the door causing Stark to drop the case. But since they didn't, Loki was meant to get hold of it and escape. Yeah this is another major problem, thanks for bringing it up. The Miss Minute recording mentions that you could be labelled a deviant if you're late for work one morning. So they should melt you, right? But maybe you're late because your alarm didn't go off. Maybe the alarm didn't go off because your spouse played a prank on you. So do they melt your spouse? Or your phone died because you forgot to plug it in. You forgot to plug it in because you were tired from work. So do they melt your boss for not creating a better work environment? And so on. My point is, how do they decide when to stop tracing cause and effect? --- Though the fear of death is a common one, the fear of life is a more rational one. <cite>Cheese_Crackers posted [p:954859860] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>008Zulu posted... </cite> <quote>The TVA know if you stray off your destined path, meaning they know the future. Therefore, they knew Stark and Antman would screw up and that Loki would get his hands on the Tesseract, and then use it. If they were that serious about divergent timelines, they should have made it so Hulk didn't break down the door causing Stark to drop the case. But since they didn't, Loki was meant to get hold of it and escape.</quote> Yeah this is another major problem, thanks for bringing it up. The Miss Minute recording mentions that you could be labelled a deviant if you're late for work one morning. So they should melt you, right? But maybe you're late because your alarm didn't go off. Maybe the alarm didn't go off because your spouse played a prank on you. So do they melt your spouse? Or your phone died because you forgot to plug it in. You forgot to plug it in because you were tired from work. So do they melt your boss for not creating a better work environment? And so on. My point is, how do they decide when to stop tracing cause and effect? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
What_ 06/10/21 6:26:17 PM #109:	Just smile and wave <cite>What_ posted [p:954859909] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Just smile and wave </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xerun 06/10/21 6:28:41 PM #110:	I mean we are only one episode in and we know nothing of the timekeepers. But the way I see it 3 people are in charge of all time and deciding what is right and whats wrong. Which seems to go against choice and free will. I half imagine Loki will get rid of them by the end of season which reopens the multiverse. Either way its pretty clear that there is something suspect that they allow the Avengers to change time, but not Loki. I dont think this is a throwaway line but a definitive plot point for the entire show (maybe across seasons as this seems the most likely to continue last season 1) --- Currently Playing: Slay the Spire <cite>Xerun posted [p:954859987] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>I mean we are only one episode in and we know nothing of the timekeepers. But the way I see it 3 people are in charge of all time and deciding what is right and whats wrong. Which seems to go against choice and free will. I half imagine Loki will get rid of them by the end of season which reopens the multiverse. Either way its pretty clear that there is something suspect that they allow the Avengers to change time, but not Loki. I dont think this is a throwaway line but a definitive plot point for the entire show (maybe across seasons as this seems the most likely to continue last season 1) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 06/10/21 6:30:48 PM #111:	Lokison posted... Yea, but people apperantly need the be spoonfed the information in such a way theres no questions. Probably the same people that question the parking garage fight in Fight Club where apperantly Edward Nortan drags himself across the ground about 15 feet. Just let it go and enjoy the ride homies. This is nothing about being spoon feed. This is about the rules that they set up. The avengers made a number of time lines by their actions so it can't be a part of the same time line. The Russoes say that Cap made a knew time line. Based on everything that happened, he would have been in a branch reality and then had to have shifted over to this, so jumped from one to the other and handed the shield off One thing thats clear that Anthony and I have discussed, I dont know that weve discussed this publicly at all, Cap would have had to have traveled back to the main timeline. Thats something that, yes, he would have been in a branch reality, but he would have to travel back to the main timeline to give that shield to Sam Wilson. Them going after Loki is made writing from the information that we have now. You can say oh just enjoy it, but don't like like people who call that shit out are fool are can't follow shit. --- Kamala Harris: "I don't think America is a racist country" <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:954860054] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Lokison posted... </cite> <quote>Yea, but people apperantly need the be spoonfed the information in such a way theres no questions. Probably the same people that question the parking garage fight in Fight Club where apperantly Edward Nortan drags himself across the ground about 15 feet. Just let it go and enjoy the ride homies.</quote> This is nothing about being spoon feed. This is about the rules that they set up. The avengers made a number of time lines by their actions so it can't be a part of the same time line. The Russoes say that Cap made a knew time line. Based on everything that happened, he would have been in a branch reality and then had to have shifted over to this, so jumped from one to the other and handed the shield off One thing thats clear that Anthony and I have discussed, I dont know that weve discussed this publicly at all, Cap would have had to have traveled back to the main timeline. Thats something that, yes, he would have been in a branch reality, but he would have to travel back to the main timeline to give that shield to Sam Wilson. Them going after Loki is made writing from the information that we have now. You can say oh just enjoy it, but don't like like people who call that shit out are fool are can't follow shit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
daynlokki 06/10/21 6:35:58 PM #112:	Cheese_Crackers posted... Yeah this is another major problem, thanks for bringing it up. The Miss Minute recording mentions that you could be labelled a deviant if you're late for work one morning. So they should melt you, right? But maybe you're late because your alarm didn't go off. Maybe the alarm didn't go off because your spouse played a prank on you. So do they melt your spouse? Or your phone died because you forgot to plug it in. You forgot to plug it in because you were tired from work. So do they melt your boss for not creating a better work environment? And so on. My point is, how do they decide when to stop tracing cause and effect? I mean, they nuke the entire abberant timeline. The court itself is just a formality. Everyone there is guilty and the timelines they came from are already gone. <cite>daynlokki posted [p:954860248] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Cheese_Crackers posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah this is another major problem, thanks for bringing it up. The Miss Minute recording mentions that you could be labelled a deviant if you're late for work one morning. So they should melt you, right? But maybe you're late because your alarm didn't go off. Maybe the alarm didn't go off because your spouse played a prank on you. So do they melt your spouse? Or your phone died because you forgot to plug it in. You forgot to plug it in because you were tired from work. So do they melt your boss for not creating a better work environment? And so on. My point is, how do they decide when to stop tracing cause and effect?</quote>I mean, they nuke the entire abberant timeline. The court itself is just a formality. Everyone there is guilty and the timelines they came from are already gone. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheese_Crackers 06/10/21 6:36:11 PM #113:	Lokison posted... Yea, but people apperantly need the be spoonfed the information in such a way theres no questions. Probably the same people that question the parking garage fight in Fight Club where apperantly Edward Nortan drags himself across the ground about 15 feet. Just let it go and enjoy the ride homies. This has nothing to do with being spoonfed information, but that was pretty handily refuted above. "Let it go and enjoy the ride" isn't a defense at all, it's a plea. That's what people say when they like something but don't want to acknowledge that it has flaws, or when they know it has flaws but don't have a valid defense. Sorry, but I don't have the ability to turn my brain off at will. Analyzing media is fun for me and sometimes it exposes shitty writing. --- Though the fear of death is a common one, the fear of life is a more rational one. <cite>Cheese_Crackers posted [p:954860257] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Lokison posted... </cite> <quote>Yea, but people apperantly need the be spoonfed the information in such a way theres no questions. Probably the same people that question the parking garage fight in Fight Club where apperantly Edward Nortan drags himself across the ground about 15 feet. Just let it go and enjoy the ride homies.</quote>This has nothing to do with being spoonfed information, but that was pretty handily refuted above. "Let it go and enjoy the ride" isn't a defense at all, it's a plea. That's what people say when they like something but don't want to acknowledge that it has flaws, or when they know it has flaws but don't have a valid defense. Sorry, but I don't have the ability to turn my brain off at will. Analyzing media is fun for me and sometimes it exposes shitty writing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Stalolin 06/10/21 6:39:12 PM #114:	Cheese_Crackers posted... This has nothing to do with being spoonfed information, but that was pretty handily refuted above. "Let it go and enjoy the ride" isn't a defense at all, it's a plea. That's what people say when they like something but don't want to acknowledge that it has flaws, or when they know it has flaws but don't have a valid defense. Sorry, but I don't have the ability to turn my brain off at will. Analyzing media is fun for me and sometimes it exposes shitty writing. --- "Our selves are something we create, not discover." <cite>Stalolin posted [p:954860361] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Cheese_Crackers posted... </cite> <quote>This has nothing to do with being spoonfed information, but that was pretty handily refuted above. "Let it go and enjoy the ride" isn't a defense at all, it's a plea. That's what people say when they like something but don't want to acknowledge that it has flaws, or when they know it has flaws but don't have a valid defense. Sorry, but I don't have the ability to turn my brain off at will. Analyzing media is fun for me and sometimes it exposes shitty writing.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheese_Crackers 06/10/21 6:41:04 PM #115:	Stalolin posted... Lol. I think there's a canyon-sized gap between not turning my brain off and saying that I'm a true intellectual, but okay. --- Though the fear of death is a common one, the fear of life is a more rational one. <cite>Cheese_Crackers posted [p:954860424] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Stalolin posted... </cite> <quote></quote>Lol. I think there's a canyon-sized gap between not turning my brain off and saying that I'm a true intellectual, but okay. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 06/10/21 8:41:35 PM #116:	Cheese_Crackers posted... Lol. I think there's a canyon-sized gap between not turning my brain off and saying that I'm a true intellectual, but okay. No there isn't. Your post screamed that. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:954864449] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Cheese_Crackers posted... </cite> <quote>Lol. I think there's a canyon-sized gap between not turning my brain off and saying that I'm a true intellectual, but okay.</quote>No there isn't. Your post screamed that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Turtlemayor333 06/10/21 8:47:44 PM #117:	This is like just watching Lion King up to the part where they sing Hakuna Matata and then complaining how the movie's message is just to be lazy all the time --- https://imgur.com/WWk7D https://imgur.com/hE7v5GL https://imgur.com/sY9YLKe https://imgur.com/9e67vqt <cite>Turtlemayor333 posted [p:954864632] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>This is like just watching Lion King up to the part where they sing Hakuna Matata and then complaining how the movie's message is just to be lazy all the time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 06/10/21 9:13:56 PM #118:	I don't think the Time Keepers DETERMINE what's right and wrong, they just KNOW what's supposed to happen and make sure that the timeline stays on course. <cite>Derwood posted [p:954865404] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>I don't think the Time Keepers DETERMINE what's right and wrong, they just KNOW what's supposed to happen and make sure that the timeline stays on course. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RetsuZaiZen 06/10/21 10:01:56 PM #119:	Derwood posted... I don't think the Time Keepers DETERMINE what's right and wrong, they just KNOW what's supposed to happen and make sure that the timeline stays on course. But isn't the whole point of the TVA? To correct what they deem to be variants? Logically anything that happened or will happen, was supposed to to happen or will happen because it did happen or will happen. They just seem to pick and choose what to erase. --- Why do nerds always get caught up on the details? Michael Jordan is both the greatest and most overrated basketball player of all time. <cite>RetsuZaiZen posted [p:954866953] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>I don't think the Time Keepers DETERMINE what's right and wrong, they just KNOW what's supposed to happen and make sure that the timeline stays on course.</quote> But isn't the whole point of the TVA? To correct what they deem to be variants? Logically anything that happened or will happen, was supposed to to happen or will happen because it did happen or will happen. They just seem to pick and choose what to erase. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 06/11/21 1:11:48 AM #120:	RetsuZaiZen posted... This is a good point @pegusus123456 Thoughts? If you've said your piece already I apologize. This one I'll admit is weak writing. Maybe I could argue that the "correct" timeline is one where the Tesseract didn't literally land at Loki's feet, but then it should probably still be Tony who's arrested. You know, I think I've actually kind of turned around on this and lowkey agree that the basic premise of the show is flawed. Like if Loki just traveled through space and not time - which he probably did since it's the Space stone - then that means that supposedly approved alternate timeline that we see in Endgame was erased. Which I suppose is possible. Maybe the Sacred Timeline allowed for the Avengers to dip into another one just long enough to steal some Infinity Stones, then the TVA wiped it out. But I feel like that's not what they were going for. It's possible they'll explain it, but after seeing WV and FatWS...I'm not expecting it. Cheese_Crackers posted... The Miss Minute recording mentions that you could be labelled a deviant if you're late for work one morning. So they should melt you, right? But maybe you're late because your alarm didn't go off. Maybe the alarm didn't go off because your spouse played a prank on you. So do they melt your spouse? Or your phone died because you forgot to plug it in. You forgot to plug it in because you were tired from work. So do they melt your boss for not creating a better work environment? And so on. These examples are kind of flawed though. In the first case, they'd melt the spouse. In the latter, they'd melt you. Derwood posted... I don't think the Time Keepers DETERMINE what's right and wrong, they just KNOW what's supposed to happen and make sure that the timeline stays on course. No, the indication so far is that they are the ones who decide. The judge says that their role is to "dictate the proper flow of time." --- https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:954872303] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>RetsuZaiZen posted... </cite> <quote> This is a good point @pegusus123456 Thoughts? If you've said your piece already I apologize.</quote>This one I'll admit is weak writing. Maybe I could argue that the "correct" timeline is one where the Tesseract didn't literally land at Loki's feet, but then it should probably still be Tony who's arrested. You know, I think I've actually kind of turned around on this and lowkey agree that the basic premise of the show is flawed. Like if Loki just traveled through space and not time - which he probably did since it's the Space stone - then that means that supposedly approved alternate timeline that we see in Endgame was erased. Which I suppose is possible. Maybe the Sacred Timeline allowed for the Avengers to dip into another one just long enough to steal some Infinity Stones, then the TVA wiped it out. But I feel like that's not what they were going for. It's possible they'll explain it, but after seeing WV and FatWS...I'm not expecting it. Cheese_Crackers posted... </cite> <quote>The Miss Minute recording mentions that you could be labelled a deviant if you're late for work one morning. So they should melt you, right? But maybe you're late because your alarm didn't go off. Maybe the alarm didn't go off because your spouse played a prank on you. So do they melt your spouse? Or your phone died because you forgot to plug it in. You forgot to plug it in because you were tired from work. So do they melt your boss for not creating a better work environment? And so on.</quote>These examples are kind of flawed though. In the first case, they'd melt the spouse. In the latter, they'd melt you. Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>I don't think the Time Keepers DETERMINE what's right and wrong, they just KNOW what's supposed to happen and make sure that the timeline stays on course.</quote>No, the indication so far is that they are the ones who decide. The judge says that their role is to "dictate the proper flow of time." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheoryzC 06/11/21 1:28:33 AM #121:	So we're watching in the theaters. It's 2012 and the Avengers beat the Chitauri. Theres a scene of them transporting Loki with the Tesseract and some funny business goes down in the lobby of Stark Tower. There's a scene of the Tesseract dropping at Loki's feet but doesn't pick it up. Or there's a scene of him picking it up, disappearing and reappearing as if nothing happened. Things play out how you saw in the movie. Loki taken to Asgard etc --- This is where my sigs suppose to be. <cite>TheoryzC posted [p:954872624] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>So we're watching in the theaters. It's 2012 and the Avengers beat the Chitauri. Theres a scene of them transporting Loki with the Tesseract and some funny business goes down in the lobby of Stark Tower. There's a scene of the Tesseract dropping at Loki's feet but doesn't pick it up. Or there's a scene of him picking it up, disappearing and reappearing as if nothing happened. Things play out how you saw in the movie. Loki taken to Asgard etc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 06/11/21 4:38:09 PM #122:	BakonBitz posted... I will admit, simply saying "What the Avengers did was supposed to happen" felt like a cop-out explanation initially, but it's probably something they didn't want to bother explaining in extremely verbose terms just to get the plot going. boo That's an excuse for bad writing --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:954893350] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>BakonBitz posted... </cite> <quote>I will admit, simply saying "What the Avengers did was supposed to happen" felt like a cop-out explanation initially, but it's probably something they didn't want to bother explaining in extremely verbose terms just to get the plot going.</quote>boo That's an excuse for bad writing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
daynlokki 06/11/21 4:47:05 PM #123:	UnfairRepresent posted... boo That's an excuse for bad writing I mean they have a sacred timeline. That timeline includes the avengers coming back. Any further changes to the timeline would no longer make it that sacred timeline. Theres the deviants. They dont happen a ton but thats because they dont allow the first branch to form. If they did, it gets out of hand and then timelines try to destroy other timelines. The sacred timeline is just the one who won the last multiverse war. <cite>daynlokki posted [p:954893651] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>boo That's an excuse for bad writing</quote>I mean they have a sacred timeline. That timeline includes the avengers coming back. Any further changes to the timeline would no longer make it that sacred timeline. Theres the deviants. They dont happen a ton but thats because they dont allow the first branch to form. If they did, it gets out of hand and then timelines try to destroy other timelines. The sacred timeline is just the one who won the last multiverse war. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheese_Crackers 06/11/21 4:51:46 PM #124:	daynlokki posted... I mean they have a sacred timeline. That timeline includes the avengers coming back. Any further changes to the timeline would no longer make it that sacred timeline. Theres the deviants. They dont happen a ton but thats because they dont allow the first branch to form. If they did, it gets out of hand and then timelines try to destroy other timelines. The sacred timeline is just the one who won the last multiverse war. I'm confident that most people understand the explanation given. The point is that its not satisfying narratively. It's the equivalent (literally, in the comics at least) of saying "things happened because the writers wanted them to happen". --- Though the fear of death is a common one, the fear of life is a more rational one. <cite>Cheese_Crackers posted [p:954893790] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>daynlokki posted... </cite> <quote>I mean they have a sacred timeline. That timeline includes the avengers coming back. Any further changes to the timeline would no longer make it that sacred timeline. Theres the deviants. They dont happen a ton but thats because they dont allow the first branch to form. If they did, it gets out of hand and then timelines try to destroy other timelines. The sacred timeline is just the one who won the last multiverse war.</quote>I'm confident that most people understand the explanation given. The point is that its not satisfying narratively. It's the equivalent (literally, in the comics at least) of saying "things happened because the writers wanted them to happen". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 06/11/21 4:53:26 PM #125:	Cheese_Crackers posted... I'm confident that most people understand the explanation given. The point is that its not satisfying narratively. It's the equivalent (literally, in the comics at least) of saying "things happened because the writers wanted them to happen". Exactly so It's just bad writing --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:954893840] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Cheese_Crackers posted... </cite> <quote>I'm confident that most people understand the explanation given. The point is that its not satisfying narratively. It's the equivalent (literally, in the comics at least) of saying "things happened because the writers wanted them to happen".</quote>Exactly so It's just bad writing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 06/11/21 4:59:47 PM #126:	Cheese_Crackers posted... I'm confident that most people understand the explanation given. The point is that its not satisfying narratively. It's the equivalent (literally, in the comics at least) of saying "things happened because the writers wanted them to happen". I mean, all that really happened was time travel is allowed. Thats what the whole thing boils down to. Nothing more nothing less. Id prefer what we got then, heres why time travel is allowed and how its different from you diverging from your set path. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:954894053] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Cheese_Crackers posted... </cite> <quote>I'm confident that most people understand the explanation given. The point is that its not satisfying narratively. It's the equivalent (literally, in the comics at least) of saying "things happened because the writers wanted them to happen".</quote> I mean, all that really happened was time travel is allowed. Thats what the whole thing boils down to. Nothing more nothing less. Id prefer what we got then, heres why time travel is allowed and how its different from you diverging from your set path. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
daynlokki 06/11/21 5:03:04 PM #127:	Cheese_Crackers posted... I'm confident that most people understand the explanation given. The point is that its not satisfying narratively. It's the equivalent (literally, in the comics at least) of saying "things happened because the writers wanted them to happen". Well thats the point. We have three fascist aliens in charge of the timeline. Im sure we will get more into it past episode 1. Remember the victors write the histories. <cite>daynlokki posted [p:954894162] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Cheese_Crackers posted... </cite> <quote>I'm confident that most people understand the explanation given. The point is that its not satisfying narratively. It's the equivalent (literally, in the comics at least) of saying "things happened because the writers wanted them to happen".</quote>Well thats the point. We have three fascist aliens in charge of the timeline. Im sure we will get more into it past episode 1. Remember the victors write the histories. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
daynlokki 06/11/21 5:04:37 PM #128:	Zeeak4444 posted... I mean, all that really happened was time travel is allowed. Thats what the whole thing boils down to. Nothing more nothing less. Id prefer what we got then, heres why time travel is allowed and how its different from you diverging from your set path. Because one was the set path and other was not. Thats essentially it. You have a whole planet of humans who think they have free will who will actually end up with that free will from a character who made a monologue about how freedom is the weakness to civilization. <cite>daynlokki posted [p:954894208] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Zeeak4444 posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, all that really happened was time travel is allowed. Thats what the whole thing boils down to. Nothing more nothing less. Id prefer what we got then, heres why time travel is allowed and how its different from you diverging from your set path.</quote>Because one was the set path and other was not. Thats essentially it. You have a whole planet of humans who think they have free will who will actually end up with that free will from a character who made a monologue about how freedom is the weakness to civilization. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xerun 06/11/21 5:45:20 PM #129:	daynlokki posted... Well thats the point. We have three fascist aliens in charge of the timeline. Im sure we will get more into it past episode 1. Remember the victors write the histories. THIS. Its not bad writing unless its not addressed again (and I mean in the entire Loki series). We are one episode in and it was dedicated to Lokis character development I cant imagine we are just going to accept 3 people decide the flow of time, and leave it at that especially knowing not clipping branches opens the Multiverse again and we know a bunch of future movies are dealing with the Multiverse. --- Currently Playing: Slay the Spire <cite>Xerun posted [p:954895618] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>daynlokki posted... </cite> <quote>Well thats the point. We have three fascist aliens in charge of the timeline. Im sure we will get more into it past episode 1. Remember the victors write the histories.</quote> THIS. Its not bad writing unless its not addressed again (and I mean in the entire Loki series). We are one episode in and it was dedicated to Lokis character development I cant imagine we are just going to accept 3 people decide the flow of time, and leave it at that especially knowing not clipping branches opens the Multiverse again and we know a bunch of future movies are dealing with the Multiverse. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 06/11/21 7:50:41 PM #130:	How is Past Gamora not a time variant? --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:954899762] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>How is Past Gamora not a time variant? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 06/11/21 7:53:57 PM #131:	jumi posted... How is Past Gamora not a time variant? Because. Say it with me now. It was supposed to happen. --- https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:954899866] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>jumi posted... </cite> <quote>How is Past Gamora not a time variant?</quote>Because. Say it with me now. It was supposed to happen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 06/11/21 8:29:05 PM #132:	Since Thor is currently with the GotG, it would be hilarious if the TVA went after Gamora, Loki saves her, then he reunites with Thor while she reunites with the Guardians in either GotG3 or Love and Thunder. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:954900929] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Since Thor is currently with the GotG, it would be hilarious if the TVA went after Gamora, Loki saves her, then he reunites with Thor while she reunites with the Guardians in either GotG3 or Love and Thunder. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 06/11/21 9:05:16 PM #133:	Here's an idea: We're supposed to feel uneasy that things like the Avengers time-meddling are supposed to happen while other things are not supposed to happen. When Mobius says that Loki's purpose is to be bad so that others become better. Loki (and the audience) should disagree with this, since it flies against the concept of free will. So this story is about Loki dismantling that idea (and thereby becoming a better person himself in the process) and causing the multiverse to split apart again. I speculate that Loki will betray the TVA and use his new knowledge of timelines to fix his mistakes across the multiverse like getting his mother killed or dying to Thanos. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:954902014] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Here's an idea: We're supposed to feel uneasy that things like the Avengers time-meddling are supposed to happen while other things are not supposed to happen. When Mobius says that Loki's purpose is to be bad so that others become better. Loki (and the audience) should disagree with this, since it flies against the concept of free will. So this story is about Loki dismantling that idea (and thereby becoming a better person himself in the process) and causing the multiverse to split apart again. I speculate that Loki will betray the TVA and use his new knowledge of timelines to fix his mistakes across the multiverse like getting his mother killed or dying to Thanos. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 06/11/21 10:17:15 PM #134:	UnfairRepresent posted... It's just bad writing Let's tally up the "Time Crimes" the Avengers were allowed to get away with; Hawkeye removing an object from an existing timeline and not returning it (the baseball glove), War Machine knocking Quill out long enough to steal the Power Stone (that's possible brain damage altering any future decisions he's supposed to make), Thor inadvertently warning Frigga about her own death (she is an extremely perceptive being, who would have known what made Thor so distraught upon seeing her), Iron Man and Captain America removing Pym Particles from the past, Evil Nebula giving Pym Particles and a Time Compass to Thanos allowing him to travel in to the future (skipping over events he was supposed to carry out [sacking Zandar for the Power Stone, wiping out half of the surviving Asgardians, etc]) Those are just off the top of my head, and will have caused far more damage to the timeline than Loki not using the Tesseract to escape. --- If you protest, it's because you feel your voice isn't being heard. If you riot, it's because you feel your voice is being ignored. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:954904393] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>It's just bad writing</quote>Let's tally up the "Time Crimes" the Avengers were allowed to get away with; Hawkeye removing an object from an existing timeline and not returning it (the baseball glove), War Machine knocking Quill out long enough to steal the Power Stone (that's possible brain damage altering any future decisions he's supposed to make), Thor inadvertently warning Frigga about her own death (she is an extremely perceptive being, who would have known what made Thor so distraught upon seeing her), Iron Man and Captain America removing Pym Particles from the past, Evil Nebula giving Pym Particles and a Time Compass to Thanos allowing him to travel in to the future (skipping over events he was supposed to carry out [sacking Zandar for the Power Stone, wiping out half of the surviving Asgardians, etc]) Those are just off the top of my head, and will have caused far more damage to the timeline than Loki not using the Tesseract to escape. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 06/11/21 10:26:08 PM #135:	The Time Masters don't give a shit about any of that because that's the timeline they wrote out. I don't see what's difficult to understand about this. --- https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:954904691] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>The Time Masters don't give a shit about any of that because that's the timeline they wrote out. I don't see what's difficult to understand about this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medussa 06/11/21 10:26:57 PM #136:	pegusus123456 posted... I don't see what's difficult to understand about this. people have been super harsh on the D+ stuff all along and i don't know why. --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! And then there's Abby... She likes to braid <cite>Medussa posted [p:954904717] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>pegusus123456 posted... </cite> <quote> I don't see what's difficult to understand about this.</quote> people have been super harsh on the D+ stuff all along and i don't know why. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
littlebro07 06/12/21 2:47:48 AM #137:	Maybe the time keepers occasionally allow other shit to happen if the end result will be the same Tony and Scott fuck up with the Tesseract, Loki decides to pick it up instead of leave it. Tony and Steve decide to time travel again to get a new Tesseract and more Pym Particles so they can return all the infinity stones to their proper points in time. This is technically a branch and not part of the overall plan the Time Keepers have, but they allow it to play out because in the end, all the stones get put back in place anyway so the Avengers do the branch fixing instead of a TVA squad. If things go wrong, then they send in a squad to fix it. But it all went right so they said fuck it Steve was allowed to be a variant because he was always meant to go back in time after fixing the branches by replacing the stones, so him being with Peggy doesnt cause a branch because it was the plan all along. --- https://i.imgtc.com/MGGa6Os.gif <cite>littlebro07 posted [p:954910413] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Maybe the time keepers occasionally allow other shit to happen if the end result will be the same Tony and Scott fuck up with the Tesseract, Loki decides to pick it up instead of leave it. Tony and Steve decide to time travel again to get a new Tesseract and more Pym Particles so they can return all the infinity stones to their proper points in time. This is technically a branch and not part of the overall plan the Time Keepers have, but they allow it to play out because in the end, all the stones get put back in place anyway so the Avengers do the branch fixing instead of a TVA squad. If things go wrong, then they send in a squad to fix it. But it all went right so they said fuck it Steve was allowed to be a variant because he was always meant to go back in time after fixing the branches by replacing the stones, so him being with Peggy doesnt cause a branch because it was the plan all along. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrNintendo1213 06/12/21 3:51:14 AM #138:	ZMythos posted... Here's an idea: We're supposed to feel uneasy that things like the Avengers time-meddling are supposed to happen while other things are not supposed to happen. When Mobius says that Loki's purpose is to be bad so that others become better. Loki (and the audience) should disagree with this, since it flies against the concept of free will. So this story is about Loki dismantling that idea (and thereby becoming a better person himself in the process) and causing the multiverse to split apart again. I speculate that Loki will betray the TVA and use his new knowledge of timelines to fix his mistakes across the multiverse like getting his mother killed or dying to Thanos. This makes the most sense story wise. Everything the TVA does doesn't have to make perfect sense because they aren't supposed to be right. Morally or otherwise. They are a universal beuracratic fascist regime. Each member doesnt know everything because they weren't created to. I was annoyed about them taking in Loki instead of The Avengers too. But just remembering that the TVA are just fascists trying to control everything to stay in power helps explain it. --- Dot Dot Dot... <cite>MrNintendo1213 posted [p:954911195] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>Here's an idea: We're supposed to feel uneasy that things like the Avengers time-meddling are supposed to happen while other things are not supposed to happen. When Mobius says that Loki's purpose is to be bad so that others become better. Loki (and the audience) should disagree with this, since it flies against the concept of free will. So this story is about Loki dismantling that idea (and thereby becoming a better person himself in the process) and causing the multiverse to split apart again. I speculate that Loki will betray the TVA and use his new knowledge of timelines to fix his mistakes across the multiverse like getting his mother killed or dying to Thanos.</quote> This makes the most sense story wise. Everything the TVA does doesn't have to make perfect sense because they aren't supposed to be right. Morally or otherwise. They are a universal beuracratic fascist regime. Each member doesnt know everything because they weren't created to. I was annoyed about them taking in Loki instead of The Avengers too. But just remembering that the TVA are just fascists trying to control everything to stay in power helps explain it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
daynlokki 06/12/21 10:24:15 AM #139:	008Zulu posted... Let's tally up the "Time Crimes" the Avengers were allowed to get away with; Hawkeye removing an object from an existing timeline and not returning it (the baseball glove), War Machine knocking Quill out long enough to steal the Power Stone (that's possible brain damage altering any future decisions he's supposed to make), Thor inadvertently warning Frigga about her own death (she is an extremely perceptive being, who would have known what made Thor so distraught upon seeing her), Iron Man and Captain America removing Pym Particles from the past, Evil Nebula giving Pym Particles and a Time Compass to Thanos allowing him to travel in to the future (skipping over events he was supposed to carry out [sacking Zandar for the Power Stone, wiping out half of the surviving Asgardians, etc]) Those are just off the top of my head, and will have caused far more damage to the timeline than Loki not using the Tesseract to escape. Except everything there was supposed to happen for the sacred timeline. Well, except Loki escaping. That was the only thing they didnt want to happen. <cite>daynlokki posted [p:954916733] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>008Zulu posted... </cite> <quote>Let's tally up the "Time Crimes" the Avengers were allowed to get away with; Hawkeye removing an object from an existing timeline and not returning it (the baseball glove), War Machine knocking Quill out long enough to steal the Power Stone (that's possible brain damage altering any future decisions he's supposed to make), Thor inadvertently warning Frigga about her own death (she is an extremely perceptive being, who would have known what made Thor so distraught upon seeing her), Iron Man and Captain America removing Pym Particles from the past, Evil Nebula giving Pym Particles and a Time Compass to Thanos allowing him to travel in to the future (skipping over events he was supposed to carry out [sacking Zandar for the Power Stone, wiping out half of the surviving Asgardians, etc]) Those are just off the top of my head, and will have caused far more damage to the timeline than Loki not using the Tesseract to escape.</quote>Except everything there was supposed to happen for the sacred timeline. Well, except Loki escaping. That was the only thing they didnt want to happen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
daynlokki 06/12/21 10:25:14 AM #140:	littlebro07 posted... Maybe the time keepers occasionally allow other shit to happen if the end result will be the same Tony and Scott fuck up with the Tesseract, Loki decides to pick it up instead of leave it. Tony and Steve decide to time travel again to get a new Tesseract and more Pym Particles so they can return all the infinity stones to their proper points in time. This is technically a branch and not part of the overall plan the Time Keepers have, but they allow it to play out because in the end, all the stones get put back in place anyway so the Avengers do the branch fixing instead of a TVA squad. If things go wrong, then they send in a squad to fix it. But it all went right so they said fuck it Steve was allowed to be a variant because he was always meant to go back in time after fixing the branches by replacing the stones, so him being with Peggy doesnt cause a branch because it was the plan all along. If it was the plan all along he wouldnt be a variant. <cite>daynlokki posted [p:954916760] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>littlebro07 posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe the time keepers occasionally allow other shit to happen if the end result will be the same Tony and Scott fuck up with the Tesseract, Loki decides to pick it up instead of leave it. Tony and Steve decide to time travel again to get a new Tesseract and more Pym Particles so they can return all the infinity stones to their proper points in time. This is technically a branch and not part of the overall plan the Time Keepers have, but they allow it to play out because in the end, all the stones get put back in place anyway so the Avengers do the branch fixing instead of a TVA squad. If things go wrong, then they send in a squad to fix it. But it all went right so they said fuck it Steve was allowed to be a variant because he was always meant to go back in time after fixing the branches by replacing the stones, so him being with Peggy doesnt cause a branch because it was the plan all along.</quote>If it was the plan all along he wouldnt be a variant. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 06/12/21 11:49:44 AM #141:	pegusus123456 posted... The Time Masters don't give a shit about any of that because that's the timeline they wrote out. I don't see what's difficult to understand about this. You're not getting it People do understand that. It's just pisspoor writing --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:954918989] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>pegusus123456 posted... </cite> <quote>The Time Masters don't give a shit about any of that because that's the timeline they wrote out. I don't see what's difficult to understand about this.</quote>You're not getting it People do understand that. It's just pisspoor writing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 06/12/21 11:58:19 AM #142:	UnfairRepresent posted... You're not getting it People do understand that. It's just pisspoor writing I've seen your writing on CE, your opinion on what is good writing is irrelevant. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:IfGodCouldDie IGN:SuperPattyCakes FC: SW-1615-6159-5504 Boop Trooper reporting for duty. <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:954919218] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>You're not getting it People do understand that. It's just pisspoor writing</quote>I've seen your writing on CE, your opinion on what is good writing is irrelevant. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 06/12/21 12:16:05 PM #143:	IfGodCouldDie posted... I've seen your writing on CE, your opinion on what is good writing is irrelevant. What a stupid and lazy fanboy defense of poor writing in a TV show --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:954919700] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>IfGodCouldDie posted... </cite> <quote>I've seen your writing on CE, your opinion on what is good writing is irrelevant.</quote>What a stupid and lazy fanboy defense of poor writing in a TV show </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheese_Crackers 06/12/21 2:54:05 PM #144:	IfGodCouldDie posted... I've seen your writing on CE, your opinion on what is good writing is irrelevant. Luckily we can criticize things without doing them ourselves. Otherwise the overwhelming majority of opinions are irrelevant. --- Though the fear of death is a common one, the fear of life is a more rational one. <cite>Cheese_Crackers posted [p:954924654] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>IfGodCouldDie posted... </cite> <quote>I've seen your writing on CE, your opinion on what is good writing is irrelevant.</quote>Luckily we can criticize things without doing them ourselves. Otherwise the overwhelming majority of opinions are irrelevant. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 06/12/21 3:05:06 PM #145:	UnfairRepresent posted... You're not getting it People do understand that. It's just pisspoor writing you guys keep saying that and yet the only justification you have is they time traveled!!! --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:954925012] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>You're not getting it People do understand that. It's just pisspoor writing</quote> you guys keep saying that and yet the only justification you have is they time traveled!!! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheese_Crackers 06/12/21 3:57:10 PM #146:	Zeeak4444 posted... you guys keep saying that and yet the only justification you have is they time traveled!!! (1) It's an explanation that doesn't use previously established rules at all, and this makes it unsatisfying. For all its flaws, at least Endgame's time travel mechanic used the quantum realm, which was something that we knew about already. Not to mention that it directly contradicts the Ancient One's explanation of branching timelines to Bruce. (2) It retroactively asserts that no characters in previous MCU installments have any agency whatsoever. Loki had agency, and look where he ended up. Tony didn't attack Bucky and Steve in Civil War because of deeply repressed emotional trauma caused by his parents's deaths or a profound sense of betrayal on Steve's part - he attacked them because if he didn't, the Timekeepers would've been upset. Gamora didn't dance with Quill in GotG 1 because he provided one of the only positive, carefree interactions that she's had since her people were slaughtered in front of her - she danced with him because if she didn't, the TVA would've melted her. Nothing that happened in the MCU is due to character decisions anymore. It devalues the rest of the series to a degree that I didn't even think was possible. --- Though the fear of death is a common one, the fear of life is a more rational one. <cite>Cheese_Crackers posted [p:954926719] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Zeeak4444 posted... </cite> <quote>you guys keep saying that and yet the only justification you have is they time traveled!!!</quote>(1) It's an explanation that doesn't use previously established rules at all, and this makes it unsatisfying. For all its flaws, at least Endgame's time travel mechanic used the quantum realm, which was something that we knew about already. Not to mention that it directly contradicts the Ancient One's explanation of branching timelines to Bruce. (2) It retroactively asserts that no characters in previous MCU installments have any agency whatsoever. Loki had agency, and look where he ended up. Tony didn't attack Bucky and Steve in Civil War because of deeply repressed emotional trauma caused by his parents's deaths or a profound sense of betrayal on Steve's part - he attacked them because if he didn't, the Timekeepers would've been upset. Gamora didn't dance with Quill in GotG 1 because he provided one of the only positive, carefree interactions that she's had since her people were slaughtered in front of her - she danced with him because if she didn't, the TVA would've melted her. Nothing that happened in the MCU is due to character decisions anymore. It devalues the rest of the series to a degree that I didn't even think was possible. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 06/12/21 4:16:42 PM #147:	Cheese_Crackers posted... (1) It's an explanation that doesn't use previously established rules at all, and this makes it unsatisfying. For all its flaws, at least Endgame's time travel mechanic used the quantum realm, which was something that we knew about already. Not to mention that it directly contradicts the Ancient One's explanation of branching timelines to Bruce. (2) It retroactively asserts that no characters in previous MCU installments have any agency whatsoever. Loki had agency, and look where he ended up. Tony didn't attack Bucky and Steve in Civil War because of deeply repressed emotional trauma caused by his parents's deaths or a profound sense of betrayal on Steve's part - he attacked them because if he didn't, the Timekeepers would've been upset. Gamora didn't dance with Quill in GotG 1 because he provided one of the only positive, carefree interactions that she's had since her people were slaughtered in front of her - she danced with him because if she didn't, the TVA would've melted her. Nothing that happened in the MCU is due to character decisions anymore. It devalues the rest of the series to a degree that I didn't even think was possible. You understand that every single thing has happened has happened because that's the way they were written, yea? --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:IfGodCouldDie IGN:SuperPattyCakes FC: SW-1615-6159-5504 Boop Trooper reporting for duty. <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:954927442] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Cheese_Crackers posted... </cite> <quote>(1) It's an explanation that doesn't use previously established rules at all, and this makes it unsatisfying. For all its flaws, at least Endgame's time travel mechanic used the quantum realm, which was something that we knew about already. Not to mention that it directly contradicts the Ancient One's explanation of branching timelines to Bruce. (2) It retroactively asserts that no characters in previous MCU installments have any agency whatsoever. Loki had agency, and look where he ended up. Tony didn't attack Bucky and Steve in Civil War because of deeply repressed emotional trauma caused by his parents's deaths or a profound sense of betrayal on Steve's part - he attacked them because if he didn't, the Timekeepers would've been upset. Gamora didn't dance with Quill in GotG 1 because he provided one of the only positive, carefree interactions that she's had since her people were slaughtered in front of her - she danced with him because if she didn't, the TVA would've melted her. Nothing that happened in the MCU is due to character decisions anymore. It devalues the rest of the series to a degree that I didn't even think was possible.</quote>You understand that every single thing has happened has happened because that's the way they were written, yea? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
littlebro07 06/12/21 6:45:23 PM #148:	Alright So Steve and Tony dont time travel to the 70s because Loki took the Tesseract. They do it because 2012 Hulk made them lose it. It would have been picked up by 2012 Tony/Thor/someone else in the room if Loki hadnt picked it up, so they would have had to time travel again anyway. All part of the sAcReD TiMeLiNe plan --- https://i.imgtc.com/MGGa6Os.gif <cite>littlebro07 posted [p:954932004] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Alright So Steve and Tony dont time travel to the 70s because Loki took the Tesseract. They do it because 2012 Hulk made them lose it. It would have been picked up by 2012 Tony/Thor/someone else in the room if Loki hadnt picked it up, so they would have had to time travel again anyway. All part of the sAcReD TiMeLiNe plan </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 06/13/21 2:24:53 AM #149:	Cheese_Crackers posted... It retroactively asserts that no characters in previous MCU installments have any agency whatsoever. I disagree with this, but I think this is mostly a matter of perspective. All of those characters still made those choices. The Time Masters aren't mind controlling people into following their timeline, they're just erasing the ones that don't. People don't know they exist, so it's also not like they're being forced into it out of fear. To me, that doesn't take away the weight of the decisions these characters made. littlebro07 posted... So Steve and Tony dont time travel to the 70s because Loki took the Tesseract. They do it because 2012 Hulk made them lose it. It would have been picked up by 2012 Tony/Thor/someone else in the room if Loki hadnt picked it up, so they would have had to time travel again anyway. Yeah, I feel like this is the best explanation. Like maybe in the Sacred Timeline, Loki decides he may be better off going to Asgard and trying to undermine it from within rather than fucking off somewhere with the Tesseract. It didn't really look like this one had a plan when he fell face first into the Mongolian desert. --- https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:954943952] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>Cheese_Crackers posted... </cite> <quote>It retroactively asserts that no characters in previous MCU installments have any agency whatsoever.</quote>I disagree with this, but I think this is mostly a matter of perspective. All of those characters still made those choices. The Time Masters aren't mind controlling people into following their timeline, they're just erasing the ones that don't. People don't know they exist, so it's also not like they're being forced into it out of fear. To me, that doesn't take away the weight of the decisions these characters made. littlebro07 posted... </cite> <quote> So Steve and Tony dont time travel to the 70s because Loki took the Tesseract. They do it because 2012 Hulk made them lose it. It would have been picked up by 2012 Tony/Thor/someone else in the room if Loki hadnt picked it up, so they would have had to time travel again anyway.</quote>Yeah, I feel like this is the best explanation. Like maybe in the Sacred Timeline, Loki decides he may be better off going to Asgard and trying to undermine it from within rather than fucking off somewhere with the Tesseract. It didn't really look like this one had a plan when he fell face first into the Mongolian desert. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medussa 06/13/21 2:28:01 AM #150:	wait. something just hit me. isn't the avengers use of time travel "ok" because they're pruning their own branching timelines? well, besides the last one, which may eventually get a good explanation. --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! And then there's Abby... She likes to braid <cite>Medussa posted [p:954944020] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>wait. something just hit me. isn't the avengers use of time travel "ok" because they're pruning their own branching timelines? well, besides the last one, which may eventually get a good explanation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
archedsoul 06/13/21 3:22:42 AM #151:	The TVA saw that the Time Heist leaves open very little, so it was allowed to happen for the timeline to proceed. The TVA was deployed to clean up 2012 with Loki, and 2014 with Thanos. Since Tony snapped Thanos and his gang, they just erased that entire branch. This leave Gamora and Steve Rogers as variants. It's still not fully confirmed whether Steve created a branch or it was a closed time loop. The writers of Endgame theorize that it was a closed time loop. The Russo brothers however state it was a branch and he crossed back over into the main timeline to give Sam the shield. --- "Fear cuts deeper than swords." <cite>archedsoul posted [p:954944850] in Loki singl... [t:79503599]...</cite> <quote>The TVA saw that the Time Heist leaves open very little, so it was allowed to happen for the timeline to proceed. The TVA was deployed to clean up 2012 with Loki, and 2014 with Thanos. Since Tony snapped Thanos and his gang, they just erased that entire branch. This leave Gamora and Steve Rogers as variants. It's still not fully confirmed whether Steve created a branch or it was a closed time loop. The writers of Endgame theorize that it was a closed time loop. The Russo brothers however state it was a branch and he crossed back over into the main timeline to give Sam the shield. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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