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adjl
06/12/21 11:39:16 AM
#102:


Kegran posted...
If homosexuality is a trend, how many were homosexual just to be trendy (I think this is actually why more women identify as LGBT bi since "guys think it's hot").

I'm pretty sure people make decisions about who to date based on who they're attracted to, not on how trendy that person's genitals are. You seem to be conflating a couple of drunk girls making out while frat boys cheer with actual relationships, which is terribly silly.

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Kegran
06/12/21 11:41:54 AM
#103:


adjl posted...
Protip: If your position is based on something vague, undefinable, and impossible to measure, and somebody asks you if you consider your position to be defensible, the answer is "no."
Haha, maybe. But I am glad you took up the task. There's hope for at least someone in this crazy world. And honestly I can come up with a better argument, but there's no point if I get banned for it, is there?
adjl posted...
That's you trying to reconcile the cognitive dissonance between the intellectual realization that there's nothing wrong with homosexuality, and a homophobic gut reaction that says it must be wrong to show gays to children.
No there's something inherently wrong with it. Quantifying it is the issue since I've never been against gays. Things like injecting gays into children's shows have taught me to gradually start hating them. I'd probably be better if all I did was think about how much I hate gays from day one. However, I still really don't hate them that much.
adjl posted...
Furthermore, generational culture transfer happens on a far, far greater scale than just between parents and their children. It happens in schools, it happens between adults and their friends'/families' children, it happens through the media... The notion that somebody not having kids means they can't pass on their culture is very obviously nonsense.
Maybe not having children is the problem with it. Maybe attempting to pass gay culture down to not your children through children's media is part of my problem with this situation.
adjl posted...
Because what we experience as "normal" during our formative years has a huge impact on what we consider to be acceptable as adults. Media is far from being the only influence there, obviously, but it is a major one. The presence of LGBTQ characters in children's media goes a long way toward normalizing it and guarding against homophobic biases that they might otherwise grow into.
What gay cartoons did you watch as a child and how unacceptable do you believe yourself to be?
What advantage is there to normalizing homosexuality? Why should something that is statistically not normal be normalized in the first place and especially to children? Oh, you've already answered that question above though. It's important so children don't think being gay is abnormal, which is it. Essentially it's important indoctrination to you and that's why adults should inject homosexuality into children's media.
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Nichtcrawler X
06/12/21 11:43:13 AM
#104:


adjl posted...
You seem to be conflating a couple of drunk girls making out while frat boys cheer with actual relationships, which is terribly silly.

Yep, sexuality and romanticism are related, but separate. But for some reason the focus is always on sexuality and rarely if ever romanticity.

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Kegran
06/12/21 11:44:43 AM
#105:


adjl posted...
I'm pretty sure people make decisions about who to date based on who they're attracted to, not on how trendy that person's genitals are. You seem to be conflating a couple of drunk girls making out while frat boys cheer with actual relationships, which is terribly silly.
Societal pressure also makes up a chunk of our actions. A trend is societal pressure. That eases as you get older. As I said to the other guy, even if that became an issue it would self correct. There was no need contradict anything I said here.
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TheSlinja
06/12/21 11:46:50 AM
#106:


Kegran posted...
No there's something inherently wrong with it. Quantifying it is the issue since I've never been against gays. Things like injecting gays into children's shows have taught me to gradually start hating them. I'd probably be better if all I did was think about how much I hate gays from day one. However, I still really don't hate them that much
please stop replying to this guy

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IronBornCorps
06/12/21 11:49:09 AM
#107:


Kegran posted...
What advantage is there to normalizing homosexuality?

Lessen suicide and hate crime rates for a start...

Seriously though, do you have an issue with an husband and wife kissing on television? Or when a mom and dad kiss on a kid's show?
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Mead
06/12/21 11:50:26 AM
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So many posts just got Thanos snapped for me

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Kegran
06/12/21 11:50:42 AM
#109:


IronBornCorps posted...
Depicting a certain slice of the population consistently without alternatives (in this case sexuality, and straight people have TONS of representation in the media), often leads to an "othering" of those alternatives, leaving those people to feel abnormal about who they are.
What point and profit is there in promoting a small segment of the population anyway? But, notice I'm talking about the ethics of presenting homosexuality in children's cartoons which I'd think we should mostly agree don't need to be sexuality charged.
Gay caricatures in videogames are just annoying. It's SJW because of the gay foundation. No one really needs to know if a videogame character is gay in most situations. "Hey Max, let's slay that dragon today!" "OK, let me tell my boyfriend!" Good job EA's inclusion department.
Anyway, total aside.
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Kegran
06/12/21 11:53:18 AM
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IronBornCorps posted...
Also, I don't know what to tell you if you think women being attracted to women has anything to do with men.
In general no, but the rates for bi women are vastly higher than that for bi men. Do you believe that's genetic, chance, or something else?
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SilentSeph
06/12/21 11:55:00 AM
#111:


Kegran posted...
"Hey Max, let's slay that dragon today!" "OK, let me tell my boyfriend!"
This sounds like a fun game, can you tell me the name of it?

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Kegran
06/12/21 11:58:00 AM
#112:


IronBornCorps posted...
Lessen suicide and hate crime rates for a start...

Seriously though, do you have an issue with an husband and wife kissing on television? Or when a mom and dad kiss on a kid's show?
Lessen suicide? So being gay isn't actually a gay affair and is mentally unhealthy for those involved? Being outsider to normalcy is stressful? Hey, we should promote this lifestyle to kids, right? Come the hell on. If you're gay and unhappy because you're gay quit being gay and just live in a cabin in the woods. You're being even more ridiculous than I am with this bull.
Do they even kiss in cartoons anymore? I haven't seen a kiss in a kids show since I was a kid and last I remember that was Bugs Bunny kissing Elmer Fudd, and I have to watch this crap because my kids watch it so I'm not entirely out of the loop.
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IronBornCorps
06/12/21 11:58:13 AM
#113:


Kegran posted...
It's SJW because of the gay foundation.

you are either trolling really hard, or really ****ing stupid.

If saving lives isn't enough of a "point and profit" for you, then you are just a small bitter person who cares only for themselves.

The only SJW agenda going on is that companies realized cisgender straight white men are a "small segment of the population", and started including themes and characters relevant to other experiences.

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Kegran
06/12/21 12:00:02 PM
#114:


TheSlinja posted...
please stop replying to this guy
Quit reading my posts. Isn't there a mute or block button somewhere?
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Metalsonic66
06/12/21 12:00:31 PM
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adjl
06/12/21 12:02:45 PM
#116:


Kegran posted...
No there's something inherently wrong with it.

If that's what you truly believe, you should be able to demonstrate that inherent wrong. Hop to it, or change your beliefs to something you can actually substantiate.

Kegran posted...
Maybe not having children is the problem with it. Maybe attempting to pass gay culture down to not your children through children's media is part of my problem with this situation.

So the problem has shifted from "gay people don't pass culture on because they don't have kids" to "gay people pass on their own culture"? Yeah, this is sounding more and more like you're just being homophobic for homophobia's sake, not like you have a legitimate point. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and you have failed.

Kegran posted...
What gay cartoons did you watch as a child and how unacceptable do you believe yourself to be?

None. My acceptance of homosexuality (et al) was a product of a tolerant upbringing and peers that were okay with it. Even so, it took longer than I might have liked to arrive at how accepting I currently am, and I don't doubt that that was a consequence of a lack of exposure. Had gay characters been more than just a punch line (if they were present at all) in the media I consumed growing up, I would have arrived much more quickly at my current position.

Kegran posted...
What advantage is there to normalizing homosexuality? Why should something that is statistically not normal be normalized in the first place and especially to children?

Normalizing something simply means accepting it as part of your normal experience, not establishing it as the statistical norm. Yes, being gay is an abnormal state, statistically speaking. The problem is not acknowledging that, it's that "abnormal" has a bunch of pejorative connotations attached to it that frequently get applied to anything that deviates from our typical experience. To that end, having more depictions of "abnormal" people in the media we consume regularly makes them part of our typical experience, which in turn makes it less jarring to encounter actual people that fit those molds and reduces the likelihood of negative reactions.

Basically, if you get used to weird stuff, it stops bothering you. As for why that's important, people being bothered by homosexuality has been the basis for countless past and present atrocities, and at the very least, makes gay people feel needlessly uncomfortable. So... stop it. It's pointless, and pointlessly hurting people is always stupid and bad.

Kegran posted...
Essentially it's important indoctrination to you and that's why adults should inject homosexuality into children's media.

Yes, I do think "gay people shouldn't be treated as sub-human" is something everyone should be "indoctrinated" with. Anyone who doesn't is, as mentioned before, utter trash, because that's just called being a decent person.

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Kegran
06/12/21 12:05:45 PM
#117:


IronBornCorps posted...
If saving lives isn't enough of a "point and profit" for you, then you are just a small bitter person who cares only for themselves.
Saving what lives. You're not happy because you're not accepted. No one is actually accepted. The idea of being accepted is complete bull. However, you'd be more accepted if you were normal, meaning closer to the mean average personality. Yet you want to promote abnormal unhappiness to children. Justify yourself right now if you truly believe this and this isn't just some emotional re herring.
The only SJW agenda going on is that companies realized cisgender straight white men are a "small segment of the population", and started including themes and characters relevant to other experiences.
You'd be happy if that were actually true. I think they stopped realizing how big a part of the population straight white men are actually and it's costing them money they don't realize they're losing. And again you're being way more ridiculous than I am here and I've been accused of being pretty ridiculous.
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IronBornCorps
06/12/21 12:10:01 PM
#118:


I love discussing mental health with someone so heavy in denial and disconnected from reality.
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ChimeraBlue
06/12/21 12:23:59 PM
#119:


Fun.

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Metalsonic66
06/12/21 12:32:05 PM
#120:


Warned lol

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MeteoricBurst
06/12/21 12:41:24 PM
#121:


He claimed not to be a troll alt of someone else but sure posted like one. And now he's warned to no one's surprise including his. I'm sure nothing of value was lost since that's the point of those accounts. He will be posting normal stuff under his real name. I don't believe for a second that wasn't a regular user here.

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BobbyButthurt
06/12/21 12:48:41 PM
#122:


Kegran posted...
It's not homophobic, you just can't deal with it so you need to silence it. I'll enjoy it if an actual mod warns me.
Took them 3 hours but enjoy. At least you used that time properly to make yourself look like an even bigger jackass.


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LinkPizza
06/12/21 12:53:20 PM
#123:


Kegran posted...
If gay children are real let them figure out they'll be net non-contributing members of society for their entire lives by themselves. No parent wants their child to be gay. No parent should have to explain to their young child about gays. It's unethical to promote objectively toxic alternate lifestyles to children.

They do figure out by themselves. The song is my teaching them how to figure it out. Its just saying its ok to be gay. Thats all, really. And the only reason parents dont want their kids to be gay is because its a hard lifestyle. Mainly because of people like you, it seems. If being gay was more normalized, then people wouldnt actually have any reason to worry about who their kids like... And how the hell is being gay toxic. You (and you troll account) are way more toxic then me, for example...

Kegran posted...
Kids don't know what the hell is going on with sexuality until they hit puberty. Even so, normal lifestlyes should be promoted in the media for the good of society.

Also, this is false. Even before puberty, I figured it out... Inknew something was different, but not what. Had I seen this song, maybe I would have understood better that I was different, and that it was ok...

Kegran posted...
Gay people have no investment in the future. There's no interest to leave a better society for their children. It's all about the here and now.
"But, what about small number of gay people who adopt or otherwise have children!?"
It's an unsurprisingly insignificant amount.

You dont seem like you understand anything. My boyfriend is gay. And has two children. Because gay people have children, as well... my friends dad is gay and has 5 children. And in both cases, all the children are biological, in case you want to know...

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/09/fifteen-percent-of-same-sex-couples-have-children-in-their-household.html

Heres some info from a census, if you want to read some of it. While it says same sex couples are more likely to adopt, Im not sure that matters. Just because you adopt doesnt mean you dont love your child. My cousin adopted, and that doesnt make me love him any less. Weve been around each other since we were born... And you have to remember, the numbers are probably lower since many people arent even out yet...

Kegran posted...
I'm right about gays in children's cartoons.

They should be in childrens cartoon since it helps to normalize it... And even though you say youre for gay marriage, your arguments makes you sound homophobic...

Kegran posted...
No, children's media not representing gays does not explicitly mean telling anyone they are wrong or evil. Why would you believe this?

While its not explicitly saying theyre wrong or evil, it makes it seems like they are different in a way people dont like. By putting it in media, it explains that while its different, its still perfectly normal instead of trying to hide it away like its something you should be ashamed of...

Kegran posted...
Let me try again. A society is a collection of people with a similar culture. A contribution is passing your culture down to the next generation. Homosexuals statistically do not have a next generation despite outliers, and have no need or use to contribute to the continuation of a culture.

Many straight couples dont have children either. And when it comes to passing down you culture down to the next generation, it doesnt have to be only biological children. And Im also sure more gay couples would have children if the world wasnt so homophobic and let them adopt more... Though, many also have biological children, too. And more probably will as science or actually working on something for the future, so...

Kegran posted...
What advantage is there to normalizing homosexuality?

Youre kidding, right? There are a bunch of good reasons. A few would be letting people know that its fine that they are different. And could help lower suicide rates for children, as well. It could even lower some bullying rates because of its normalized, it possible less people will bully them, or more people will stand up for them. It also helps to show the world in a more realistic way since it shows that gay people do actually exist...
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adjl
06/12/21 1:10:53 PM
#124:


IronBornCorps posted...
The only SJW agenda going on is that companies realized cisgender straight white men are a "small segment of the population", and started including themes and characters relevant to other experiences.

Eh, that's debatable. Cishet white men and women are still the majority, so if there's any one demographic worth catering to, it's generally going to be them. The difference isn't that they've become a minority, or even that other demographics have grown enough to be a significant commercial force, it's that cishet white people are now sufficiently accepting of those other demographics and therefore it won't cost companies their business to include them. From a corporate standpoint, it is still just the same, cynical look at the bottom line, not any sort of new awareness of untapped demographics or a moral commitment to inclusion.

Kegran posted...
Societal pressure also makes up a chunk of our actions. A trend is societal pressure.

When it comes to actually dating someone, social pressure really only ever discourages that, rather than encouraging it. People frequently choose not to date somebody because of social pressure against it (see: every closeted gay person that doesn't homosexually date), but the only times you'll really see people choose to date just because of social pressure in favour of it are closeted gay people in straight relationships (which is exactly the opposite of your concern), and instances where a friend has set them up with somebody and they stick it out to be polite (in which case, those relationships generally don't last all that long).

Quite simply, you don't get people getting into gay relationships because it's cool. Trends and social pressure promoting homosexuality are not a concern at all.

Kegran posted...
However, you'd be more accepted if you were normal, meaning closer to the mean average personality.

So change what "normal" means so people aren't ostracized for their sexual orientation. Which, conveniently, sounds like a fantastic definition for that whole "normalize homosexuality" phrase that's been floating around. Wow!

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ReturnOfFa
06/12/21 1:22:46 PM
#125:


Yo Keg, you're stuck in 80s evangelical Christian land. lol

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Jen0125
06/12/21 1:53:18 PM
#126:


Do you think only people who have children create or invent things that last for generations?

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adjl
06/12/21 1:55:46 PM
#127:


Jen0125 posted...
Do you think only people who have children create or invent things that last for generations?

No no, he was talking about culture. Which, of course, can only be passed through generations from parents to their children. Any other routes of exchange are just being polluted by the gays and shouldn't be considered, which means the gays are undermining society by eliminating cultural exchange.

Good lord.

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teddy241
06/12/21 2:08:44 PM
#128:


i never knew what the colors actually represented
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Nichtcrawler X
06/12/21 2:18:13 PM
#129:


Yes, back to the actual topic.

Can anyone explain me where indigo went?

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Jen0125
06/12/21 3:16:45 PM
#130:


Nichtcrawler X posted...
Yes, back to the actual topic.

Can anyone explain me where indigo went?

It doesn't need to have indigo to be a brand image. Stop being pedantic, dude.

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RickMoranis
06/12/21 3:54:02 PM
#131:


Groomalodeon

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