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kirbymuncher
06/11/21 1:31:50 AM
#101:


pogo_rabid posted...
EDIT: Kanata said she would be picking up the reddit shitpost review mantle from coco, and she'll do the show from time to time.
of all the coco related stuff since the announcement (her own streams/messages as well as other peoples') the stream this screenshot is from was the first one to get me really feeling sad. like, it's just the two of them playing minecraft while chatting, except what they're building is essentially the last memorial of 4th gen with coco in it and they spend basically the entire stream reminiscing over everything that's happened since they started at hololive.

from things like how coco/kanata/watame all turned out to live really close together, to stories about coco jokingly asking kanata to bring her lunch mid-stream and kanata just showing up like 20 minutes later with food, to a pretty funny anecdote from kanata about the first time she stayed over at coco's place and realized they have the same attitude on a lot of stuff, to etc etc etc. I dunno it's impossible to even mention it all

it was so nonchalant but it also just has this unavoidable undercurrent of how it's the perfect time to stop and look back at the past since there's not really much more of a future

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pogo_rabid
06/11/21 1:43:31 AM
#102:


Really it seems Towa was the one most broken up about the whole thing, she sobbed a couple times about it already. Luna went into denial over it, hell, even Botan had a moment where she cried for a little bit on stream a couple days ago after beating RE8 on the hardest difficulty.

I was profoundly sad about it for like a day, but after digesting the whole matter, I really do think it's for the best, Cover had her under so many restrictions, and the antis in chat weren't letting up, streaming as coco must have been an absolute nightmare. With her newfound freedom to do as she wants, i'm sure she'll be much happier, AND it doubles as sending a message to cover that treating the talents like this (even if well intentioned) has a breaking point and they will eventually jump ship.

I'm glad that she's going to be given a "place of honor" within hololive with her archive being left up, her name not being taboo to bring up, the other holos can still talk with her in an official capacity, ect..

Who knows, maybe she will even collab with them again under her other guise after some time has passed

LordFarquad1312 posted...
So... yeah. Fuck the taboo.
If she keeps streaming and you guys come across her, mind letting me know? I'd really appreciate it.

Here's her other channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9ruVYPv7yJmV0Rh0NKA-Lw

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Holy_Cloud105
06/11/21 3:23:08 AM
#103:


All of the girls took it hard though. Rushia and Aki cried and canceled their streams after her official announcement of it. Korone said she cried after the official announcement too. Miko, Choco, Mio and Watame all tried to convince her not to graduate when she originally told them. Coco just specifically talked about gen 4 in her chatting stream the day after.

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legendarylemur
06/11/21 3:53:00 AM
#104:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlhQ1rY6n7U

Well I dunno what this says, asked a friend to TL a gist of it, but I'm pretty sure some TL will come of it down the line regardless. But what's important here is what I can gather from the auto TL of the comments. Seems like Narukami's bullshit has made a mark on the Japanese public opinion, or in general people are in some silent agreement about this entire situation unfolding. JP people are back to being suspicious of Cover, and perhaps not entirely for unfounded reasons either.

For one thing, a comment did mention that it didn't seem like it was out of some dispute with any of the Holo members, which was a relief, and that seems largely to be true since they've all come in support of her one way or another.

Also another was that after all this, if Holo somehow re-opened their Chinese revenues, they'd quit watching altogether.

But also, I was kinda thinking, this is really good for Coco in general. I'm sure her diehard fans will go to her original channel anyways, which has a sizable sub base and monetization enabled. This also lets her collab with the famous indies. The Indie Vtuber scene is actually kinda like Hololive in a lot of sense. There is like a big clump of close friends that frequently make videos together, like you'd see a good 20 people who very frequently appear in each other's videos. You got girls like Kizuna Ai collabing with the former Kizuna Ai clone made into a new persona Love Chan with other vtubers like Tomari, the 4-5 girls from Animare who are still active and collabs often (though I think Kuku is supposed to be a girly sounding guy), Meika, Gatchman V, Pikamee, Hinata, Tamaki, etc. If Coco get start collabing with this circle, I don't really see a reason for her content to actually change all that much, just that her guests will change, and she will probably have to establish her own Reddit base, since the Holo subreddit really blew up due to her meme reviews to begin with.

Also indies tend to not have to worry nearly as hard about copyright infringement. They still do, but it won't be to the level of how hard Coco was regulated after the China fiasco. Nobody will be able to stop her from doing any shock humor for example.

Sure the indies don't exactly pull Holo numbers or even close, but they've been growing much faster in the last year's worth of time because there are more interest in vtubing in general. Considering that, I don't exactly see her situation as negative. And if Vtubing isn't in her line of interest anymore, I'm pretty sure she's smart enough to go for anything else. Coco honestly should've quit a while ago for her own benefit. I'm sure she mostly found it hard to leave because of the Hololive closeness

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FunkyCat
06/11/21 5:32:09 AM
#105:


Just to note, Coco has talked about it more on a member stream apparently and seems everyone who has seen it has come away satisfied and understanding of her reasoning, with the antis having nothing to do with it.


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legendarylemur
06/11/21 7:26:31 AM
#106:


It's just hard to tell. I'm pretty sure she has a grand plan, and that's why she's planning on leaving. Her own channel has been avoiding harassment because of the VPN ban on her chat, so her streams have been less stressful recently, probably for her too. Sucked that she still couldn't collab freely cuz the other members would get harassed instead, but she seemed to start to find a different pace. Probably not what she was looking for though.

But if the anti situation didn't happen, I really doubt we'd be looking at a Coco farewell looming above. Coco often talked about her ambitions and always mentioned she didn't have the funds to pull something insane. Doing the Coco character for another year would probably significantly increase her chances of doing what she truly wanted

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NozomisHusband
06/11/21 8:47:40 AM
#107:


I seriously wouldn't trust anything Narukami says. Even if he is doing it for the supposed right reasons, he's arguably just vtuber Keemstar and I seriously doubt Coco would go to him for anything, even if things were dire. rrat breeding is at all all time high, and there's plenty of people in Japan who more than want to take advantage of it. I mean, there are people out there thinking that cover is gonna go back to the China market despite all evidence saying otherwise. Like... certainly there is always the possibility but as of now, it's notoriously low.

People are emotional, and they have every right to be, but there are also plenty of people who want to take advantage of that.

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Ushiromiya
06/11/21 10:09:11 AM
#108:


Calli: I want to show you all my cool xbox gamertag
also Calli: I didn't turn off friend requests/notifs

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pogo_rabid
06/11/21 10:11:46 AM
#109:


It's my understanding that Narukami is nothing more than a vtuber keemstar

EDIT: And I really like that Suisei video. A real even handed, nuanced responce with personal experience from the perspective of a fan behind it.

EDIT 2: Someone calculated Ame's hiccups

https://imgur.com/r8QHmGR

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Ushiromiya
06/11/21 11:23:11 AM
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CyricZ
06/11/21 12:28:47 PM
#111:


Wow enjoy that Dreamcast death rattle Koro-san. XD

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Calwings
06/11/21 4:02:44 PM
#112:


https://i.imgur.com/vb3LFlv.jpg
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1337toothbrush
06/11/21 4:35:37 PM
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CyricZ
06/11/21 4:48:18 PM
#114:


It was never going to be "just one more".

Ina: "This IS the gameplay!"

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kirbymuncher
06/11/21 6:22:26 PM
#115:


legendarylemur posted...
ou got girls like Kizuna Ai collabing with the former Kizuna Ai clone made into a new persona Love Chan with other vtubers like Tomari, the 4-5 girls from Animare who are still active and collabs often (though I think Kuku is supposed to be a girly sounding guy), Meika, Gatchman V, Pikamee, Hinata, Tamaki, etc
are any of these actually indies? maybe it's just recency bias but when I think indie vtubers I think of more like this, a stream I was watching a few days ago (which also made me step back and realize that hololive has totally poisoned my mind with respect to expected numbers from vtubers)



[2 year anniversary celebration] Revealing a new outfit!

also narukami is basically a massive troublemaker, I think he's cleaned up his act a little bit after legitimately getting in trouble for some things (he's the one who started the rumours about miko being pregnant when she was on that months long medical break) but he's still pretty bottom of the barrel conspiracy theorist level and it's really not worthwhile spending any mental effort on anything he says

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pogo_rabid
06/11/21 9:00:52 PM
#116:


https://streamable.com/nzcb62

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Caelthus
06/11/21 9:30:02 PM
#117:


Yeah, tamaki, Ai, etc are absolutely not "indie". Also, if anybody here likes platformers but is not masochistic to an extreme degree, for the love of god, do not watch Gura's bowser's fury stream....it is just....pure masochistic suffering so far and I love-hate it.

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Alteres
06/11/21 9:45:54 PM
#118:


Bowsers Fury: Jump High! Jump Fast!

Gura: Im both those things!

...what?

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pogo_rabid
06/11/21 9:54:43 PM
#119:


Just just says...things.

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Caelthus
06/11/21 10:12:30 PM
#120:


pogo_rabid posted...
Just just says...things.
Gura: intentionally says something that sounds very close to something extremely inappropriate
chat: WHAT
Gura: gEt YoUr MiNdS oUt Of ThE gUtTeR

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Alteres
06/11/21 10:17:36 PM
#121:


Someone tell that girl about starfield

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pogo_rabid
06/11/21 10:18:00 PM
#122:


Caelthus posted...
Gura: intentionally says something that sounds very close to something extremely inappropriate
chat: WHAT
Gura: gEt YoUr MiNdS oUt Of ThE gUtTeR
It's like the DENNIS system

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1337toothbrush
06/12/21 4:55:30 AM
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Alteres
06/12/21 10:00:38 AM
#124:


I sadly want to see calli and gura get smacked down.

I love beat em ups and I suck at this game <_<

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Byakuren
06/12/21 10:11:42 AM
#125:


Haachama is going on an indefinite break

https://twitter.com/akaihaato/status/1403715441583747072?s=20

Pain chama

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1337toothbrush
06/12/21 10:12:48 AM
#126:


What happened? I saw people mention something about people freaking out over her stream, but I wasn't sure what stream they were referring to.

Edit: oh, this is what they were referring to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGsmcgWw7Z8

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MabinogiFan
06/12/21 10:51:46 AM
#127:


She's been taking a lot of breaks lately. Hope she's doing okay. It wouldn't surprise me if she's the next Holomem to graduate, but I hope I'm wrong.
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Holy_Cloud105
06/12/21 11:44:15 AM
#128:


Snek Queen Ririsya released a cover of Spiral Tones, the song Calli and Rikka did together. It's really good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPoZd1FXbfM

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Caelthus
06/12/21 11:57:15 AM
#129:


MabinogiFan posted...
She's been taking a lot of breaks lately. Hope she's doing okay. It wouldn't surprise me if she's the next Holomem to graduate, but I hope I'm wrong.
She was involved in the "controversy" in october with coco...

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1337toothbrush
06/12/21 11:58:45 AM
#130:


Caelthus posted...
She was involved in the "controversy" in october with coco...
Does she get harassed by antis over that shit? I swear, if Coco's graduation emboldens these assholes to push further...

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Holy_Cloud105
06/12/21 12:03:17 PM
#131:


1337toothbrush posted...
Does she get harassed by antis over that shit? I swear, if Coco's graduation emboldens these assholes to push further...
No, they said Haachama's was a genuine accident because they liked her. China hates Coco because she's part American and never had an account on bilibili to stream with. They only targeted Coco.

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Funkydog
06/12/21 12:03:57 PM
#132:


1337toothbrush posted...
Does she get harassed by antis over that shit? I swear, if Coco's graduation emboldens these assholes to push further...
She was basically untouched afaik.

However Kanata has essentially confirmed it is just her taking a break to relax and recuperate, rather than anything else.
https://twitter.com/NoroikoArt/status/1403734248121520133

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pogo_rabid
06/12/21 12:09:51 PM
#133:


Remember, Haachama is starting her first year of university, so her workload is quite high.

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Funkydog
06/12/21 12:11:00 PM
#134:


pogo_rabid posted...
Remember, Haachama is starting her first year of university, so her workload is quite high.
Yup, probably not much more to it than giving herself time to focus on her studies.

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pogo_rabid
06/12/21 12:16:01 PM
#135:


Funkydog posted...
Yup, probably not much more to it than giving herself time to focus on her studies.
Not only that but because she didn't have a japense high school education, i'm sure there's an element of "catching up" in certain areas her australian high school differed in, hell even from a schooling culture i'm sure there's some adjustment needed.

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Ushiromiya
06/12/21 12:31:19 PM
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pogo_rabid
06/12/21 12:32:40 PM
#137:


Not a ton for obvious reasons, but she's mentioned a bit over the past few months.

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1337toothbrush
06/12/21 12:53:17 PM
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pogo_rabid
06/12/21 1:01:05 PM
#139:


its not really a good idea to hire a 16 year old that has to go to school lol

early hololive was wild


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Alteres
06/12/21 1:16:57 PM
#140:


wtf am I watching on reines channel?

*ah, just a visual novel... there was a scene where a girl was talking about drowning but the mc thought it was sex... but that wasnt explained until the end

Odd place to tune in, made it seem like some hentai shit.

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pogo_rabid
06/12/21 1:27:27 PM
#141:


I'll catch the vod, E3 streams are on twitch rn and I can't help myself from watching snarky commentaries


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Alteres
06/12/21 1:40:43 PM
#142:


I know its off topic, but could you rec any good streams?

Shes been going for over three hours now, she is trying to unlock everything and this is play session #4.

Think it was a bonus joke/fan service scene she got for finding things in different routes.

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pogo_rabid
06/12/21 1:42:04 PM
#143:


I'm watching Asmongold's stream of it because he's gonna go full gremlin mode and should be hilarious.

EDIT: nvm he had a panic attack about dmca stuff and ended the stream

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Ushiromiya
06/12/21 2:04:23 PM
#144:


Alteres posted...
wtf am I watching on reines channel?
Never played 999? Youre missing out

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pogo_rabid
06/12/21 2:23:19 PM
#145:


https://twitter.com/Fongthe0125/status/1403252164890218501?s=19

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Caelthus
06/12/21 3:27:55 PM
#146:


I like how they gave ina a halo for that.

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R_Jackal
06/12/21 3:40:38 PM
#147:


pogo_rabid posted...
Not only that but because she didn't have a japense high school education, i'm sure there's an element of "catching up" in certain areas her australian high school differed in, hell even from a schooling culture i'm sure there's some adjustment needed.
Iirc shortly after her return to Japan she mentioned that her streaming schedule would be sporadic as she had to focus on school. Might have been on Twitter. So, I just assume until I hear anything that random absences/hiatus for her is that.
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Ushiromiya
06/12/21 5:58:18 PM
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pogo_rabid
06/12/21 7:12:26 PM
#149:


at it for 10 hours already, wonder if she's gonna try and beat the game in one go



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SkyUmbreon
06/12/21 7:16:24 PM
#150:


I appreciated that Coco had a member stream that dispelled most of Narukami's BS.

Her stream really gave a better idea of the whole situation. I don't think there are any villains here.

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