Board 8 > Mass Effect Legendary Edition Part 2 *spoilers*

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TheRock1525
06/09/21 4:07:25 AM
#101:


Wow this is shorter than I expected. I think I'm already at the main boss.

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TheRock1525
06/09/21 4:23:33 AM
#102:


Fighting a giant human Reaper seemed so dumb in 2010, but now I appreciate schlock so it's pretty great.

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TheRock1525
06/09/21 4:26:14 AM
#103:


poor sad collector general dude

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TheRock1525
06/09/21 4:40:53 AM
#104:


Yeah, ME1 definitely has the better ending sequence from Ilos onward.

I'm still gonna go and finish all the ME2 DLC but man I had to skip ahead to ME3 for a second just so I could jam to that awesome character creation music.

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Leonhart4
06/09/21 7:26:57 AM
#105:


KamikazePotato posted...
Okay, so then they failed at meeting most people's individual wishes.

I think that at the end of the day people expected too much, but Bioware failed more than the fans overreached.

To me, Mass Effect is the composite of all my choices, and the ending is just one choice among many. I don't think it wipes out everything that happened before and all the various permutations that are possible. The choices matter to me because I made them and I get to see the consequences of them. If a character is there or not there in ME3, it's probably because of something I did or didn't do, and that's pretty darn cool.

Regardless, we don't need the Captain Buzzkill move of "you know none of your choices actually matter" to someone enjoying the game just because SMuffin isn't here to do that anymore. That vacancy doesn't actually need to be filled.

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CaptainOfCrush
06/09/21 9:06:03 AM
#106:


I began ME3 last night (played only a few minutes, not even reaching the first enemy encounter). Is it just me, or does this intro make the game seem less polished than ME2? Dialogue/scene transitions, camera angles, and the menu systems all strike me as more boilerplate and less refined here than in the middle game.

Also, Anderson's sprint animation cracked me up more than anything in ME2 - it's almost reminiscent of ME1 jank.

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XIII_rocks
06/09/21 9:08:32 AM
#107:


Leonhart4 posted...
To me, Mass Effect is the composite of all my choices, and the ending is just one choice among many. I don't think it wipes out everything that happened before and all the various permutations that are possible. The choices matter to me because I made them and I get to see the consequences of them. If a character is there or not there in ME3, it's probably because of something I did or didn't do, and that's pretty darn cool.


This is how I always approached it too. To me they absolutely matter.
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Dancedreamer
06/09/21 10:02:54 AM
#108:


I think all your choices in Mass Effect matter more than in most games. I do feel, though, that you kind of have to manipulate the plot to tell the story you want to tell.

If you're going for the Destroy Ending, there's no reason to save the Geth. Sorry, Legion/Legion VI.
Control Ending means you should probably rewrite the Geth Heretics.
Synthesis and Refuse endings allow for any culmination of choices, though personally I think it's a better "Refuse" story when everything just doesn't come together and the Galaxy proves it's not ready yet. And a better Synthesis ending if you end the Genophage AND save both the Quarians and the Geth.

Each choices makes sense in its own way, but I feel its tailored toward people having a certain attitude, rather than developing attachment to certain characters.

For example, you might save the Geth because you like Legion, but the Reapers? You don't meet a single Reaper who makes you fall in love with them like Legion does for the Geth. So it'd make sense to save the Geth, but destroy the reapers. But ultimately saving both Geth and Quarians trend toward the Syntehsis ending, where we see the Geth helping the Quarians despite being mortal enemies -- which foreshadows synthesis, where the Reapers help the galaxy despite being mortal enemies. But you can literally choose to destroy the Quarians (Sorry Tali!), save the Geth, and then Destroy the Reapers as well. (I'm not sure anyone chooses this). The sacrifice seems so pointless, at which point it makes a bit more sense if you choose to 'refuse'. No choice. This galaxy isn't ready. In the Refuse ending, I think your choices matter simply because it's the culmination of WHY we failed. So the next civilization can learn from Glyph where everything went wrong. I think all the endings make some sort of sense, but you kind of have to play toward the one you're going to choose.


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CaptainOfCrush
06/09/21 12:46:09 PM
#109:


Hmm... is a pure melee Vanguard build viable? I'm looking at the level up options for a Vanguard's Biotic Charge and Fitness, and it seems like you can optimize your build to spam Charge and hard-hitting melee attacks - playing the whole game like this really appeals to me.

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Murphiroth
06/09/21 1:01:35 PM
#110:


Punchguard probably works ok on normal but I can't see it being viable on insanity.
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Leonhart4
06/09/21 1:04:00 PM
#111:


I'm pretty sure there are a few places where melee just isn't possible at all.

Also I'm not charging and brute forcing a Banshee.

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XIII_rocks
06/09/21 3:18:17 PM
#112:


CaptainOfCrush posted...
Hmm... is a pure melee Vanguard build viable? I'm looking at the level up options for a Vanguard's Biotic Charge and Fitness, and it seems like you can optimize your build to spam Charge and hard-hitting melee attacks - playing the whole game like this really appeals to me.


It's tremendously fun. I liked Charging into Dark Channel, then Nova, then heavy melee

I did it to fucking everything during me3, even Banshees most of the time

But yes obviously you can't do it to absolutely everything, and when I did an Insanity run I played as an Infiltrator because it seemed like it'd be impossible.
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LeonhartFour
06/10/21 10:16:33 PM
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TheRock1525
06/10/21 10:34:22 PM
#114:


Feros was kinda miserable upon replay.

Just not a great looking area.

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LeonhartFour
06/10/21 10:43:58 PM
#115:


Oh yeah, it's just brown and ugly, but it's nice seeing a fresh reaction to all the weird vibes it gives off.

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colliding
06/10/21 10:59:16 PM
#116:


CaptainOfCrush posted...
I began ME3 last night (played only a few minutes, not even reaching the first enemy encounter). Is it just me, or does this intro make the game seem less polished than ME2? Dialogue/scene transitions, camera angles, and the menu systems all strike me as more boilerplate and less refined here than in the middle game.

Also, Anderson's sprint animation cracked me up more than anything in ME2 - it's almost reminiscent of ME1 jank.

yeah ME3 is a weird step down in a lot of ways. maybe a sign of rushed development. but the combat is arguably better.

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TheRock1525
06/10/21 11:05:53 PM
#117:


BioWare jank is almost endearing at this point.

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UshiromiyaEva
06/10/21 11:14:30 PM
#118:


No guns for Vanguard can be rough, but once you get the spirit bomb from the Omega DLC it becomes a godlike build.

There are also plenty of pistols that won't add enough weight to suffer any penalty to recharge time.

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TheRock1525
06/12/21 2:03:38 AM
#119:


Seeing the contraption David Archer is hooked up to with update visuals is even harder to look at.

Like why is any of it necessary to interface with the geth? He looks like a Hellraiser victim.

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TheRock1525
06/12/21 2:05:32 AM
#120:


oh boy mass effect three time

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TheRock1525
06/12/21 3:20:31 PM
#121:


I had to go back to ME2 to finish Arrival.

Hot take: I think it might be my favor ME2 DLC.

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Murphiroth
06/12/21 3:44:28 PM
#122:


That is indeed a hot take, because Arrival is bad.
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Leonhart4
06/12/21 3:57:11 PM
#123:


Arrival > Shadow Broker is a hot take indeed

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PerfectChaosZ
06/12/21 4:14:01 PM
#124:


Yeah what
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Murphiroth
06/12/21 4:15:51 PM
#125:


The only decent thing about Arrival is the lines from the enemies as you survive the five waves.

Everything else about is bad or boring, and Shadow Broker is superior in every way.
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LeonhartFour
06/12/21 4:18:54 PM
#126:


Yeah, I love the "Shepard won't go down!" moment. Surviving all the waves was a real thrill.

The rest of it, not so much.

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TheRock1525
06/12/21 4:22:58 PM
#127:


Honestly replaying Shadow Broker I was shocked how short it was. I guess ME3 DLC spoiled me, but even Overlord was longer.

I guess if you're big into the postgame flavor text then Shadow Broker is kinda neat (especially Grunt's internet searches), but the actual mission was pretty whatever.

I loved Arrival because it actually tested my abilities as a player, and showed how much I had relied on squad mates during my playthrough.

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TheRock1525
06/12/21 4:25:47 PM
#128:


Oh and I loved the ticking clock mechanic and then the final push where you see yourself hurtling towards the mass relay.

Then Harbinger shows up but he's no Sovereign.

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colliding
06/12/21 6:21:09 PM
#129:


I guess it serves to explain why Shepard is where he is at the beginning of ME3. Still don't like how it forces you to kill 300,000 batarians though

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TheRock1525
06/12/21 6:31:09 PM
#130:


Batarians are the shittiest, though.

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Dancedreamer
06/12/21 6:57:28 PM
#131:


TheRock1525 posted...
Batarians are the shittiest, though.

They're pretty bad, but there's some good hidden moments with them in the third game.

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TheRock1525
06/12/21 7:02:58 PM
#132:


I like how all these races can do space travel but a bunch of them still have slavery.

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Isquen
06/12/21 7:13:12 PM
#133:


*Cries in not being able to Batarian Hatesurf on Multiplayer anymore.*

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Dancedreamer
06/12/21 7:16:12 PM
#134:


TheRock1525 posted...
I like how all these races can do space travel but a bunch of them still have slavery.

I think it's only the Batarians (and well, the since-gone Protheans and Leviathans)

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Isquen
06/12/21 7:25:27 PM
#135:


Disappointed: we didn't get to see an elcor in combat.

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TheRock1525
06/12/21 7:32:05 PM
#136:


Dancedreamer posted...
I think it's only the Batarians (and well, the since-gone Protheans and Leviathans)

Asari have it, too. You attempt to get an "indentured servant" purchased by Synthetic Insights, and the asari that gives you the assignment is labeled "slave broker."

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KamikazePotato
06/12/21 7:33:08 PM
#137:


TheRock1525 posted...
I like how all these races can do space travel but a bunch of them still have slavery.
Why would having space travel end slavery? Better technology doesn't make people less inherently shitty.

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UshiromiyaEva
06/12/21 7:34:01 PM
#138:


TheRock1525 posted...
Asari have it, too. You attempt to get an "indentured servant" purchased by Synthetic Insights, and the asari that gives you the assignment is labeled "slave broker."

I beleive the difference here is that slavery is specifically a thing on Illium, while for Batarians it's a cultural norm for their species.

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TheRock1525
06/12/21 7:35:00 PM
#139:


KamikazePotato posted...
Why would having space travel end slavery? Better technology doesn't make people less inherently shitty.

We managed to largely eliminate slavery before we even invented a car.

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LeonhartFour
06/12/21 7:35:47 PM
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LeonhartFour
06/12/21 7:37:37 PM
#141:


also someone believing in slavery is a super easy way to get players to hate them in fictitious universes

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KamikazePotato
06/12/21 7:38:01 PM
#142:


Slavery exists everywhere. The USA's version is the prison system, which incentivizes jailing minorities and poor people so they can be put to work under enforced labor for basically no pay.

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TheRock1525
06/12/21 7:38:24 PM
#143:


LeonhartFour posted...
slavery still exists in the world today

Not as a major cultural element like it does for the Batarians.

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LeonhartFour
06/12/21 7:39:59 PM
#144:


TheRock1525 posted...
Not as a major cultural element like it does for the Batarians.

well it's a major cultural element for the player because we aren't told much about batarians as a whole and have very, very few positive interactions with them at all

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TheRock1525
06/12/21 7:43:13 PM
#145:


LeonhartFour posted...
well it's a major cultural element for the player because we aren't told much about batarians as a whole

Well they kidnap entire planets and put a chip in their brain without anesthetic.

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LeonhartFour
06/12/21 7:45:36 PM
#146:


well yeah they're meant to be as close to "pure evil" as you can get in a series that usually tries to give its villains some level of nuance

even the Reapers get more nuance than the batarians

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UshiromiyaEva
06/12/21 7:52:42 PM
#147:


The Batarians are pretty awful in general as an addition to Mass Effect. Didn't make a lot of sense to add them in the first place.

Vorcha and Drell they came up with good reasons you may have not seen them in ME1 at all, but Batarians are just too prominent for them to have never showed up once through the main game.

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TheRock1525
06/12/21 7:53:26 PM
#148:


They do show up in ME1, though. They just ain't welcome on the Citadel.

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Murphiroth
06/12/21 7:58:45 PM
#149:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
but Batarians are just too prominent for them to have never showed up once through the main game.

Gotta disagree here. They cut ties with the Council well before the series started and retreated to Batarian space where they broadcast nothing but propaganda. Of course you're not going to see them when you're not hitting Batarian space, they're Space North Korea.

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PerfectChaosZ
06/12/21 10:23:18 PM
#150:


Yeah my Colonist Shepherd wasn't called the Butcher of Torfan in the first game for nothing.
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