Current Events > Do you support the death penalty?

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Yes. In terms of anyone convicted post 1990/2000, I think we're at the point where false convictions of really horrific crimes aren't really a thing anymore due to advancements in technology, so I don't think there is much worry of people being falsely sentenced to death.

Winrawr posted...

Reading comprehension issue detected

What do you mean?

You said you were horrified by society being so polarized, and that you were neutral on this. I said that I don't think neutrality is warranted on this topic in particular. What did I miss?

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Nemu posted...

Yes. In terms of anyone convicted post 1990/2000, I think we're at the point where false convictions of really horrific crimes aren't really a thing anymore due to advancements in technology, so I don't think there is much worry of people being falsely sentenced to death.

Id be really curious to hear the stats supporting this theory
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I'm pretty personally against the death penalty. Like, if in a magical world, it was free, and no innocent person could be accidentally put to death, I'd still not support it.
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emblem boy posted...

I'm pretty personally against the death penalty. Like, if in a magical world, it was free, and no innocent person could be accidentally put to death, I'd still not support it.

This

I want a justice system built around rehabilitation, not revenge. Death penalty fundamentally precludes rehabilitation

Are some people beyond rehabilitation? Probably. Cant prove it until the day they die of natural causes tho
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g980 posted...

Id be really curious to hear the stats supporting this theory

Last I looked, there were only like a couple false convictions in the 90s that came with the death penalty and none since then. Nothing is impossible, but forensic advancements and technological advancements will reduce the chance of anything that would be serious enough for the death penalty. False convictions will obviously never go away, but I don't think we need to be overly worried about it being falsely applied to someone in modern day.

Nemu posted...

Last I looked, there were only like a couple false convictions in the 90s that came with the death penalty and none since then. Nothing is impossible, but forensic advancements and technological advancements will reduce the chance of anything that would be serious enough for the death penalty. False convictions will obviously never go away, but I don't think we need to be overly worried about it being falsely applied to someone in modern day.

Ah, thought you meant in general and not just false death penalty convictions. Yea thats more believable.
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Garioshi posted...

No, 4% of people on Death Row are innocent. Regardless of whether you think the correct punishment for a crime is death, the death penalty is completely unsupportable.

This

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For people saying they don't support the death penalty. Why?

If some senseless person murdered my daughter (I don't actually have kids, I'm just saying hypothetically), I would want that person to take responsibility for it. There's no life imprisonment that is an acceptable enough punishment. Why should the criminal live when my hypothetical daughter didn't get that chance?
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Vicious_Dios posted...

Absolutely. Staunchly so.

The Trent posted...

I'd say I support THE FUCK out of the death penalty tbqh

Garioshi posted...

No, 4% of people on Death Row are innocent. Regardless of whether you think the correct punishment for a crime is death, the death penalty is completely unsupportable.

This. Too many innocent people have been murdered by the state for no reason.

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Chunkey Simmons posted...

For people saying they don't support the death penalty. Why?

If some senseless person murdered my daughter (I don't actually have kids, I'm just saying hypothetically), I would want that person to take responsibility for it. There's no life imprisonment that is an acceptable enough punishment. Why should the criminal live when my hypothetical daughter didn't get that chance?

The justice system isnt for getting revenge
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Yes, it is. Whether it should be isnt the same thing as whether it is.

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Chunkey Simmons posted...

For people saying they don't support the death penalty. Why?

If some senseless person murdered my daughter (I don't actually have kids, I'm just saying hypothetically), I would want that person to take responsibility for it. There's no life imprisonment that is an acceptable enough punishment. Why should the criminal live when my hypothetical daughter didn't get that chance?

I can see where you're coming from and if we had a "perfect justice system" I would probably change my mind, but personally I think that as it is right now:

• innocent people being sentenced to death is much worse than the benefit people see in sentencing actual criminals to death
• there's too much bullshit (especially when it comes to racial bias, etc) going on in the courts that we can consider every single judgement purely objective and 100% justified
• who should get the power/authority to decide whether a crime is worthy of the death penalty or not?

voted "I have no strong feelings one way or another."

There are important points for both sides.

While there are some crimes that are very very ~sad~ (best word I found), the state killing someone is something weird for me... way too much.

What I believe is that some countries don't even have life imprisonment, and that IS a MUST. Some crimes are just NOT acceptable. There is no "correction" or "education" for the ones guilty for these.

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I voted no, but only because of the people wrongfully found guilty.

If there was a way to guarantee the convict actually did murder or rape, for example, then I would not care much about rehabilitating them.

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Id be ok with it for the extremely violent people if there werent cases of killing innocent people.

If you are going to execute somebody there better not even be a 0.1% chance they are innocent.

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

I voted no, but only because of the people wrongfully found guilty.

If there was a way to guarantee the convict actually did murder or rape, for example, then I would not care much about rehabilitating them.

This used to be my mindset as well.

The caveat obviously being that even in clear cut cases a jury can come back with a completely contradictory choice.

And since the Jury is the ones that decide what's what, and I don't really trust people that well, I've since decided against it.

And to people saying Revenge != Justice, I think those cases really depend on the persons affected. I know it's easy to assume justice is objective but when it comes to victims, closure can be any number of things.

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In principle, yes. I believe those who commit crimes against humanity, like murder, rape, and terrorism, should be executed. Of course, the death penalty isn't 100 percent accurate on ensuring that only the guilty are executed, but life imprisonment isn't accurate either. My problem with the death penalty is the need to ensure the innocent aren't executed by mistake.

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Isn't it more expensive to keep death row inmates alive for the rest of their lives?

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No. I don't believe that the state should have life and death power over its citizenry, and I recognize that our justice system is not perfect.

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Brave_Song posted...

Isn't it more expensive to keep death row inmates alive for the rest of their lives?

No. Death row inmates cost more than those that spend life in prison due to vastly increased appeals costs.

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As long as there's even a remote possibility that innocent people can be convicted and executed, the death penalty is morally unconscionable.
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https://news.yahoo.com/dna-evidence-could-prove-man-175011147.html

This guy might have been innocent. And this was just a few years ago. Anyway, no, I do not support the death penalty. I am an avid opponent of it. I think its barbaric for multiple reasons. One of of which is that black people get sent to death row far more than white people

Zikten posted...

https://news.yahoo.com/dna-evidence-could-prove-man-175011147.html

This guy might have been innocent. And this was just a few years ago. Anyway, no, I do not support the death penalty. I am an avid opponent of it. I think its barbaric for multiple reasons. One of of which is that black people get sent to death row far more than white people

He wasnt innocent. That unknown DNA likely belonged to her partner, whose DNA wasnt on record. The convict was a serial rapist and the victims blood was on his shoe. The presence of that unknown DNA is also not new information and was considered during the legal process.


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No.

No human should be allowed to judge another worthy of death, and certainly not the state.

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Only for political corruption and other abuse of power/ position (like teachers sexually grooming minors, or police brutality)... Also sedition (for instance, breaking into the capitol with intent to harm or kill senators). And of course, membership in any white nationalist organization. And also, and and all attempts at mass murder.

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I support it in some extreme circumstances like if someone is a serial killer and/or someone who goes on a huge killing spree. I don't think it's a good idea for someone who was only accused of one murder, because that opens up the possibility of wrongful convictions. If we reserved the death penalty for the worst of the worst murderers there would very rarely be any wrongful convictions. The only other factor is that as others have pointed out, the appeals process for the death penalty makes costs far exceed the cost of life in prison. The solution to that would be to not allow people who commit horrible atrocities to make so many appeals in the first place.

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gunplagirl posted...

Also sedition (for instance, breaking into the capitol with intent to harm or kill senators)

would you consider something like CHAZ to warrant the death penalty?
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I support the death penalty for the worst people, but I am strongly against the electric chair.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

I support the death penalty for the worst people, but I am strongly against the electric chair.

What do you think is the best method of execution?

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Mike_Stanton posted...

What do you think is the best method of execution?

Firing squad

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Mike_Stanton posted...

What do you think is the best method of execution?

For people like Ghislaine Maxwell:

https://youtu.be/kz_A4JgNcqU
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

Firing squad

ECOMI posted...

For people like Ghislaine Maxwell:

https://youtu.be/kz_A4JgNcqU

Okay, sounds fair to me. Personally, I don't care much about the method that's used because dead is dead, but I'm fine with either the guillotine or the firing squad.

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Garioshi posted...

No, 4% of people on Death Row are innocent. Regardless of whether you think the correct punishment for a crime is death, the death penalty is completely unsupportable.

4% is like 1 innocent out of 100 guilty.
Let's let 99 fuck ups live cause 1 innocent might die.

Xavier_On_High posted...

I believe that some people deserve to die. I don't believe the state should have that power.

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LeadPipeCinche posted...

4% is like 1 innocent out of 100 guilty.
Let's let 99 fuck ups live cause 1 innocent might die.

Fuck that noise, 1 innocent vs 99 scum bags ? Small price to pay to get rid of a lot of shitty people.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

Fuck that noise, 1 innocent vs 99 scum bags ? Small price to pay to get rid of a lot of shitty people.

Unless you are that 1 innocent, then you might have a different opinion

LeadPipeCinche posted...

4% is like 1 innocent out of 100 guilty.
Let's let 99 fuck ups live cause 1 innocent might die.

Lmfao wow...no 4% is 1 in 25 cases lol. 1 in 100 would, by definition, be 1%. How do you screw up math that simple?

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@Zikten

I personally would not knowing atleast most of the people dying would be deserving death. Lived a good life so I would be fine giving my life so many evil shitheads could die too.

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It does not surprise me that people who have a vague notion on there being a number of innocents they'd be willing to sacrifice to make sure the bad guys die fail simple math.

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CyricZ posted...

It does not surprise me that people who have a vague notion on there being a number of innocents they'd be willing to sacrifice to make sure the bad guys die fail simple math.

True. And I'm saying that even as someone who voted yes. I only support capital punishment in rarer more extreme cases, but we definitely should reduce the number of death sentences if for no other reason than to prevent wrongful convictions.

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Only in cases where the killer has shown no remorse. If they do, life if prison is a fate worse than death, since then the killer has time to think about what they did.

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I'm not fully convinced that life in prison is worse than death. If that were the case then wouldn't you expect to see more murderers committing suicide in prison?

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

@Zikten

I personally would not knowing atleast most of the people dying would be deserving death. Lived a good life so I would be fine giving my life so many evil shitheads could die too.

You don't believe this, you're just vice signaling

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Nobody intelligent and educated supports the death penalty.

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

LeadPipeCinche posted...

4% is like 1 innocent out of 100 guilty.
Let's let 99 fuck ups live cause 1 innocent might die.

Fuck that noise, 1 innocent vs 99 scum bags ? Small price to pay to get rid of a lot of shitty people.

Absolutely disgusting posts
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Mike_Stanton posted...

Lmfao wow...no 4% is 1 in 25 cases lol. 1 in 100 would, by definition, be 1%. How do you screw up math that simple?

Its called sarcasm.
And still not enough to worry about innocent people being killed.

You are getting rid of 96 people that don't deserve to live or see the light of day and 4 that "might be" innocent but good chance they aren't.
But hey let's let 96 people live that don't deserve to

LeadPipeCinche posted...

Its called sarcasm.
And still not enough to worry about innocent people being killed.

This is fucking deranged thinking and down right evil.

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LeadPipeCinche posted...

Its called sarcasm.
And still not enough to worry about innocent people being killed.

I wonder what your number is.

How many innocents killed is too many.

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