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JBaLLEN66
05/15/21 1:20:48 PM
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This makes zero sense/ nobody bats an eye when socialist countries do the exact same atrocities done in previous fascist dictatorships yet I'm a bad guy for not liking Bernie Sanders or AOC derp

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Doom_Art
05/15/21 1:21:06 PM
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wtf is this shit

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JBaLLEN66
05/15/21 1:22:38 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
wtf is this shit

Why is socialism good?

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Southernfatman
05/15/21 1:22:44 PM
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Of course the denier would ask this.

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PrettyBoyFloyd
05/15/21 1:22:46 PM
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Fascism picks and chooses.

Socialism keeps everyone equally poor.


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JBaLLEN66
05/15/21 1:23:18 PM
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Southernfatman posted...
denier would ask this.

don't know what you are talking about

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Number090684
05/15/21 1:24:58 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
wtf is this shit

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pinky0926
05/15/21 1:28:08 PM
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Neither fascism nor socialism is defined by genocidal atrocities. Fascism is-

Actually, nevermind.

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JBaLLEN66
05/15/21 1:29:09 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
Neither fascism nor socialism is defined by genocidal atrocities. Fascism is-

Actually, nevermind.

so are you going to defend the Khmer Rouge or something?

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Broseph_Stalin
05/15/21 1:30:23 PM
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something tells me you know exactly why fascism is seen as evil TC

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pinky0926
05/15/21 1:30:29 PM
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JBaLLEN66 posted...
so are you going to defend the Khmer Rouge or something?

I just had a vision of this thread becoming 200 posts long while we have the world's most disingenuous argument, and then decided to back out

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FlameTurtle
05/15/21 1:31:09 PM
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I wonder why our resident Holocaust denier is asking why fascism is bad

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Flamer_Blue
05/15/21 1:31:11 PM
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JBaLLEN66 posted...
This makes zero sense/ nobody bats an eye when socialist countries do the exact same atrocities done in previous fascist dictatorships yet I'm a bad guy for not liking Bernie Sanders or AOC derp
Give us examples.
Your concept might be completely wrong.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
05/15/21 1:32:06 PM
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This topic will go places.



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JBaLLEN66
05/15/21 1:32:37 PM
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Of course posters can't answer the question and have to resort to strawmans.

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Number090684
05/15/21 1:34:03 PM
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Because there is progress and strength in diversity while stagnation and weakness awaits in facism. Even nature agrees with this, given how our offspring can turn out depending who our mates are. Facists are cowards who fear change, and stunt and limit our potential.
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Musourenka
05/15/21 1:37:03 PM
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Are you asking why fascism is bad?


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JBaLLEN66
05/15/21 1:37:35 PM
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Flamer_Blue posted...
Give us examples.
Your concept might be completely wrong.

Prime example, Genocides & Antisemitism are largely associated with Fascist regimes, but we let the socialist/communist regimes get a huge pass on this. Nobody wants to talk about the anti Semitic foundations of socialism or how the violent regimes of socialist countries, but AOC and Bernie Sanders socialist movements are angels and cannot be criticized.


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JBaLLEN66
05/15/21 1:38:37 PM
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Number090684 posted...
Because there is progress and strength in diversity while stagnation and weakness awaits in facism. Even nature agrees with this, given how our offspring can turn out depending who our mates are. Facists are cowards who fear change, and stunt and limit our potential.

What progressiveness is happening Venezuela, North Korea, and CCP China right now?

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Questionmarktarius
05/15/21 1:39:03 PM
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Fascism is socialism with a layer of hyper-nationalism glued on. Sometimes even without the socialism.
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NinjaWarrior455
05/15/21 1:39:06 PM
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What the fuck is this garbage

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Questionmarktarius
05/15/21 1:40:38 PM
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NinjaWarrior455 posted...
What the fuck is this garbage
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JBaLLEN66
05/15/21 1:41:11 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Fascism is socialism with a layer of hyper-nationalism glued on. Sometimes even without the socialism.

And Socialism is fascism with a layer of hyper internationalism glued on.

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pinky0926
05/15/21 1:43:30 PM
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JBaLLEN66 posted...
Prime example, Genocides & Antisemitism are largely associated with Fascist regimes, but we let the socialist/communist regimes get a huge pass on this. Nobody wants to talk about the anti Semitic foundations of socialism or how the violent regimes of socialist countries, but AOC and Bernie Sanders socialist movements are angels and cannot be criticized.

Conservative propaganda has done fucking WONDERS on its population if people actually have a psychological link between genocidal death camps and uh...*checks notes* being able to afford university

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Broseph_Stalin
05/15/21 1:44:48 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
and uh...*checks notes* being able to afford university

FYI guys just because TC is defending one horrible ideology does not mean you have to do the same
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pinky0926
05/15/21 1:45:36 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
FYI guys just because TC is defending one horrible ideology does not mean you have to do the same

My point is that the nastiness of stalin etc. is nothing at all like the "not laissez faire capitalism" that bernie and co is preaching.

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Broseph_Stalin
05/15/21 1:46:48 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
My point is that the nastiness of stalin etc. is nothing at all like the "not laissez faire capitalism" that bernie and co is preaching.

Do you think the Bolsheviks came to power promising death and poverty?
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Questionmarktarius
05/15/21 1:47:17 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
Conservative propaganda has done fucking WONDERS on its population if people actually have a psychological link between genocidal death camps and uh...*checks notes* being able to afford university
American socialism would be vastly more likable if we'd quit lying about it.
"Here's all these great things, and that guy is going to pay for it all!" is transparent bullshit that anyone older than about 30 starts seeing through.
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JBaLLEN66
05/15/21 1:47:37 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
Conservative propaganda has done fucking WONDERS on its population if people actually have a psychological link between genocidal death camps and uh...*checks notes* being able to afford university

Your point? Most of the socialist democrats are highly in favor of revoking basic freedoms and openly wish harm on people that disagree with their agenda.

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furb
05/15/21 1:47:55 PM
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A core component of fascism is some sort of in group/out group dichotomy and an underlying organic conception of the state.

https://sjsu.edu/faculty/wooda/2B-HUM/Readings/The-Doctrine-of-Fascism.pdf

You'll also note reading this a good way to undercut "the Nazi's were really socialists..."

No individuals or groups (political parties, cultural associations, economic unions, social classes) outside the State. Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle.

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pinky0926
05/15/21 1:48:31 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
Do you think the Bolsheviks came to power promising death and poverty?

Do you think that america is fucking its middle and working class because it's protecting the world from death camps?

Like dude, it's ok to say you want to be able to afford prescription medication without having to remorgage your house. That doesn't mean you want to set up the gulags.

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JBaLLEN66
05/15/21 1:50:00 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
My point is that the nastiness of stalin etc. is nothing at all like the "not laissez faire capitalism" that bernie and co is preaching.

Bernie and Co. hasn't been in power, so he doesn't have a track record yet. However, the foundation of his message does. In addition, I can just go on any virus/vaccine related topic on this board and find a bernie bro wanting to perform harmful acts on someone that doesn't want to get the vaccine. Peaceful and helpful to all my ass.

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spikethedevil
05/15/21 1:50:37 PM
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Wait TC is a holocaust denier?

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JBaLLEN66
05/15/21 1:51:25 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
American socialism would be vastly more likable if we'd quit lying about it.
"Here's all these great things, and that guy is going to pay for it all!" is transparent bullshit that anyone older than about 30 starts seeing through.

It's not likeable because a lot of americans are smart enough not to let an ideology with a bad track record of genocide, oppressive big brother states, and failed states take over.

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pinky0926
05/15/21 1:51:42 PM
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I find all this extremely hard to relate to because I live in a country (scotland) where we have what you'd probably consider dangerous levels of socialism and mostly it just means my father can stay alive and not bankrupt the family.

And every time I check, it's the capitalist tories that want to take away my freedoms and invade my privacy, not the left wing movements.

When Nicola decides to open up gitmo bay Uk edition I'll let you know.

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IShall_Run_Amok
05/15/21 1:52:17 PM
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Fascism is bad, socialism is good. Pretty obvious.

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Broseph_Stalin
05/15/21 1:52:42 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
I live in a country (scotland) where we have what you'd probably consider dangerous levels of socialism

Scotland has a market economy but ok.
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JBaLLEN66
05/15/21 1:53:02 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
I find all this extremely hard to relate to because I live in a country (scotland) where we have what you'd probably consider dangerous levels of socialism and mostly it just means my father can stay alive and not bankrupt the family.

And every time I check, it's the capitalist tories that want to take away my freedoms and invade my privacy, not the left wing movements.

When Nicola decides to open up gitmo bay Uk edition I'll let you know.

Scotland isn't socialist

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monkmith
05/15/21 1:53:35 PM
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this topic is a steaming pile of strawman argument...

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pinky0926
05/15/21 1:54:27 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
Scotland has a market economy but ok.

Exactly my point.

I live in a country that is nothing like stalin's socialist hellhole, but since we have things like free education, free healthcare, free prescription medication and free access to mental health services, these are the talking points that causes america to resist anything that sounds even slightly like "not-capitalism". You can't have healthcare, that's socialism, right? And socialism is evil, remember kids.

So I guess if you believe that it's impossible to instate any social programs that help society because it will lead you to do the gulags, you do you.

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Questionmarktarius
05/15/21 1:54:29 PM
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JBaLLEN66 posted...
It's not likeable because a lot of americans are smart enough not to let an ideology with a bad track record of genocide, oppressive big brother states, and failed states take over.
In the end, the proletariat always pays for socialism. Finland has made it mostly work by admitting that ahead of time, and not bothering to blame the bourgeois for everything bad.
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Solar_Crimson
05/15/21 1:55:19 PM
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FlameTurtle posted...
I wonder why our resident Holocaust denier is asking why fascism is bad


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Solid Snake07
05/15/21 1:58:26 PM
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Well there's never really been a socialist state since it's ultimately unrealistic pie in the sky bullshit. Unless you're talking about communism, which carries a pretty negative connotation to anyone with a working brain.

Plus you know, Nazis

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coh
05/15/21 1:59:38 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
Neither fascism nor socialism is defined by genocidal atrocities. Fascism is-

Actually, nevermind.
Italy and Spain werent particularly genocidal though
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furb
05/15/21 2:00:25 PM
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I think it's also important to identify socialism as an end or as part of Marx's historical dialectic. In the dialectic, socialism is a process towards pure Communism -- the end of the dialectic in which the components of the state completely wither and die.

Outside the dialectic, socialism is purely an economic system in which vary levels and elements of wealth/goods are redistributed based on political/policy level government philosophies of the state which implements the system. Most countries are mixed, including the US, with various levels of what would considered socialist policies.

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pinky0926
05/15/21 2:01:35 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Broseph believes in Thatcherism

You know that is a literal swear word here

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coh
05/15/21 2:03:26 PM
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But yeah it doesnt make sense that fascism is worse than communism/socialism

would living in North Korea be better than fascist Italy?
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