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GregShmedley
05/13/21 6:33:13 PM
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Explain why.

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sktgamer_13dude
05/13/21 6:37:46 PM
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Yes.

Trying to look up someones dress is sexual assault. Scissors might be overkill, but I mean I dont blame the student for attacking at the person trying to look up their dress.
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The-19th-Sparta
05/13/21 6:40:28 PM
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Yes. It is indeed sexual assault and the victim was allowed to defend themselves.

I will say stabbing them is overkill though because these are teenagers at a school, Im assuming the offender is extremely inexperienced in life and possibly even doing it as a joke/prank/got peer pressured to do it.

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nfearurspecimn
05/13/21 6:40:32 PM
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I don't know what to think, but how could it have been worded differently?

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05/13/21 6:42:05 PM
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KamenRiderBlade
05/13/21 6:45:11 PM
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This is why we need Gender Neutral Uniforms at all schools for all education levels across the world.

Then there will be no more non-sense with skirt flipping or whatever.

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TheOtherMike
05/13/21 6:46:45 PM
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Yes.

GregShmedley posted...
Explain why.

Because she's right.
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Unsugarized_Foo
05/13/21 6:46:54 PM
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Not really. I get more information out of the other headline

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Relient_K
05/13/21 7:44:11 PM
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Kind of depends on age a bit. Really young boys do really dumb stuff without being necessary malicious. If this is high school then yeah.

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GregShmedley
05/14/21 9:45:10 AM
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Funkydog
05/14/21 9:47:46 AM
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She was simply correcting it with factual information. 100% in the right to do so, and fine for the victim to respond as they did.

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MachineJaipur
05/14/21 9:48:47 AM
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Relient_K posted...
Kind of depends on age a bit. Really young boys do really dumb stuff without being necessary malicious. If this is high school then yeah.
This, kind of.

If this older elementary or middle school then it's a bit more understandable. It's definitely wrong by all means but it's probably less malicious in intent than some senior doing it to a freshman.

Fair result though.

I'd agree with her correction if they're older, not so much if younger. Sure it's technically correct but I feel that calling a child a sexual assaulter, over this, devalues the label

Also wouldn't sexual harassment fit more if he simply lifted her skirt? If he ripped her shirt up then that probably crosses into assault.
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eston
05/14/21 9:52:12 AM
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Her correction relies on the premise that it was done in the moment and not after the fact, which would not be self defense. I didn't look up the story so I don't know what happened

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Tenlaar
05/14/21 9:53:59 AM
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It's a two year old story, it was a high school, the girl went too far as well and they both got in trouble.

https://www.fox13memphis.com/top-stories/teen-stabbed-with-scissors-after-pulling-students-dress-up-at-memphis-school-police-say/743287735/

According to the police report, a student pulled up a girl's dress inside of a classroom at Central High School. The victim then grabbed a pair of scissors. She tried multiple times to stab the student before she connected.

The male student was issued a juvenile summons for sexual battery. The female student was issued a juvenile summons for aggravated assault.
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sktgamer_13dude
05/14/21 9:55:21 AM
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MachineJaipur posted...
Also wouldn't sexual harassment fit more if he simply lifted her skirt? If he ripped her shirt up then that probably crosses into assault.

I mean one could see it as unwanted sexual touching because he's actively trying to lift/look up her dress.
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MachineJaipur
05/14/21 9:58:54 AM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
I mean one could see it as unwanted sexual touching because he's actively trying to lift/look up her dress.
I guess.

I just feel the label of sexual assault should be reserved a bit more for actual assault stuff, so as to avoid devaluing the label.
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sktgamer_13dude
05/14/21 10:02:42 AM
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MachineJaipur posted...

I guess.

I just feel the label of sexual assault should be reserved a bit more for actual assault stuff, so as to avoid devaluing the label.

I mean, it's still an unwanted act that can be considered sexual and labeling it as sexual assault might make people not do it as often.
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MachineJaipur
05/14/21 10:04:02 AM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
I mean, it's still an unwanted act that can be considered sexual and labeling it as sexual assault might make people not do it as often.

Sure but sexual harassment is a big issue too.

If we label everything with one brush, we risk people not taking to seriously
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Tenlaar
05/14/21 10:05:52 AM
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You guys aren't using the legal terms properly. Assault is the action that leads a person to believe they are in eminent danger of battery, battery is the action that causes physical harm.

Lifting her skirt up should be sexual assault, but the article says sexual battery, which doesn't make sense if he didn't make physical contact with anything but her clothes.
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eston
05/14/21 10:06:43 AM
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I've always thought of sexual harassment as things that don't necessarily involve touching. As soon as you put your hands on someone it becomes assault

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BlakPeppa
05/14/21 10:09:31 AM
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Tenlaar posted...
It's a two year old story, it was a high school, the girl went too far as well and they both got in trouble.

https://www.fox13memphis.com/top-stories/teen-stabbed-with-scissors-after-pulling-students-dress-up-at-memphis-school-police-say/743287735/

According to the police report, a student pulled up a girl's dress inside of a classroom at Central High School. The victim then grabbed a pair of scissors. She tried multiple times to stab the student before she connected.

The male student was issued a juvenile summons for sexual battery. The female student was issued a juvenile summons for aggravated assault.

Yikes.

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sktgamer_13dude
05/14/21 10:10:55 AM
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BlakPeppa posted...


Yikes.

Yes, it is "Yikes" that someone tried to look up a girl's dress at school.
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The_Korey
05/14/21 10:11:55 AM
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Kid deserved a good slap, but I thought you're not allowed to klaim self-defence if your not in any kinda danger or the offender gives up/runs away. Wouldn't this be more retaliation than self-defence?

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DeadBankerDream
05/14/21 10:17:22 AM
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I don't think I agree, but I'm not entirely sure.

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ScazarMeltex
05/14/21 10:17:33 AM
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Don't want to get stabbed with scissors? Don't try to raise up a teenage girl's dress in front of a classroom.

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eston
05/14/21 10:34:27 AM
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BlakPeppa
05/14/21 10:35:39 AM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
Yes, it is "Yikes" that someone tried to look up a girl's dress at school.

That's not what I bolded.

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MrToothHasYou
05/14/21 10:45:03 AM
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I mean Im cool with the girl defending herself but her suggestion breaks a pretty well-regarded journalistic standard of not ascribing alleged crimes as having been done by the accused. In this case the girl was brought up on juvenile charges for aggravated assault, so a news article would be displaying bias if the headline implies that she did stab the dude (even if its otherwise justifying her actions).

I would say a better correction would be Student allegedly stabs teen after apparent sexual harassment incident, claims self-defense or something to that effect. Gives the information but doesnt assert guilt on anyone.

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voldothegr8
05/14/21 10:48:34 AM
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Why can't both be wrong?
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GregShmedley
05/14/21 10:51:38 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Why can't both be wrong?

Very fine people on both sides?

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sktgamer_13dude
05/14/21 10:52:49 AM
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BlakPeppa posted...


That's not what I bolded.

Yikes
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Ruvan22
05/14/21 11:03:49 AM
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BlakPeppa posted...
Yikes.

The bold is only thing you feel is notable?
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BlakPeppa
05/14/21 11:14:54 AM
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Ruvan22 posted...
The bold is only thing you feel is notable?

Multiple attempts at stabbing until you connect? Hey, I voted yes, and believe the girl had every right to retaliate, but was she trying to murder the kid?

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sktgamer_13dude
05/14/21 11:18:32 AM
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Who's to say he stopped when she first tried to stab.

Multiple also literally just means more than 1. It could have been two quick jabs at him to get him away and that's "multiple" and also well within the realm of "not yikes."

Also still pretty telling that the only thing you're "yikes"ing about is the stabbing and not the, you know, sexual assault.
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dr_marble
05/14/21 11:21:51 AM
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I prefer the corrected headline. Girl's justified imo. "But boys will be boys" makes no sense to me. Is it inevitable that kids are stupid, sure. Do they get a pass, no. Every girl who has to be around this boy can thank this girl.

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sevihaimerej
05/14/21 11:30:36 AM
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Both deserve punishment and could both probably benefit from some time with a therapist.


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NoxObscuras
05/14/21 11:36:41 AM
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No, I don't agree with her correction.

I agree that they should have worded it differently, but "uses self defense to escape her attacker" really downplays the fact that she stabbed him. The boy was issued a summons for sexual battery, but the girl was also issued a summons for aggravated assault. The article title definitely needed to describe both actions.

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eston
05/14/21 11:37:11 AM
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SothaSil
05/14/21 11:37:42 AM
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Leave it to CE to make excuses for the sexual assault of children

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BlakPeppa
05/14/21 11:50:59 AM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
Who's to say he stopped when she first tried to stab.

If the kid's dumb enough to attempt again after 1 stab attempt, then he deserves it.
sktgamer_13dude posted...
Multiple also literally just means more than 1. It could have been two quick jabs at him to get him away and that's "multiple" and also well within the realm of "not yikes."

Shouldn't have been a 1st attempt imo. Now she's summoned with assault herself. Believing she has fellow girlfriends in class, their words combined would have been enough to get the boy in trouble.

sktgamer_13dude posted...
Also still pretty telling that the only thing you're "yikes"ing about is the stabbing and not the, you know, sexual assault.

Yes. It's why I bolded it.

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DravenRainrix
05/14/21 11:56:08 AM
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GregShmedley posted...

Explain why.

Every single person has a right to their personal space. Any body that breeches someones personal space without consent deserves ramifications. Sometimes that may be a telling off, or an insult or a report to the police. Sometimes, if someone feel threatened and at risk, it warrants physical action by the person whose space is being breached.

Keep your hands to yourself, it's taught early to people.


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eston
05/14/21 12:13:59 PM
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I think the yikes for sexual assault is a given, and I don't see anyone defending what that kid did. The discussion is about the stabbing, as that seems to be what people are split on

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shnangyboos
05/14/21 12:23:05 PM
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I'd love the complete opposite reactions from purveyors of morality if a dude stabbed a woman for grabbing his dick. The only reason he would ever have such a reaction would be his deep hatred for women, and society would be better without such a violent individual in this world. Fucking ridiculous.

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DravenRainrix
05/14/21 12:30:53 PM
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shnangyboos posted...
The only reason he would ever have such a reaction would be his deep hatred for women

Yes, that's correct. An average man being physically assaulted by an average woman would have ample physical ability to halt the assault without resorting to bladed instruments.

The average man does not fear physical attack by the average woman.
The average woman has BEEN physically assaulted by at least one man in her life time. It's a shock to speak to women and hear they have all been groped in a bar, had breasts or other parts grabbed by boys at school, had her bum squeezed by a random man etc.

The old saying:
"Men fear women will laugh at them, women fear men will kill them" is very true.


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Tenlaar
05/14/21 12:34:09 PM
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shnangyboos posted...
I'd love the complete opposite reactions from purveyors of morality if a dude stabbed a woman for grabbing his dick. The only reason he would ever have such a reaction would be his deep hatred for women, and society would be better without such a violent individual in this world. Fucking ridiculous.
It's cool how you can make things up and then react to those made up things as if they are real.
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shnangyboos
05/14/21 12:37:53 PM
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Tenlaar posted...
It's cool how you can make things up and then react to those made up things as if they are real.


I mean, you see the post before this one, right? Anyone wanna say no, the woman should get stabbed for sexual assault as well?

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DravenRainrix
05/14/21 12:42:02 PM
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shnangyboos posted...
I mean, you see the post before this one, right? Anyone wanna say no, the woman should get stabbed for sexual assault as well?

Just because women want fair treatment in areas they're treated poorly, doesn't mean they want treating the same as men.

"If women want equality, let's treat them like.men" is a dumb thing to think.

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Tenlaar
05/14/21 12:43:25 PM
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shnangyboos posted...
I mean, you see the post before this one, right? Anyone wanna say no, the woman should get stabbed for sexual assault as well?
A man believing himself to be at risk has every right to reasonable self defense just like a woman does. What constitutes reasonable is dependent on the facts of a given situation.
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Axiom
05/14/21 12:47:55 PM
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Stabbing may have been an overreaction but it's one I'm ok with. A little kid just going around flipping skirts is one thing but a teen doing this is disturbing
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Dreepapult
05/14/21 12:49:11 PM
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Stabbing is a bit excessive. But ya dude should have kept his hands to himself

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