Current Events > So I was right about Invincible. *spoilers*

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Omni-Man and his race are world conquerors. What I found interesting about this show is that most of the twists and turns have already been done by so many shows now. When the comic came out in 2003 the ideas it had were probably pretty novel, but because so many other super hero shows have already done those tropes before, you can see the plot twists a mile away.
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saspa posted...

Omni-Man and his race are world conquerors. What I found interesting about this show is that most of the twists and turns have already been done by so many shows now. When the comic came out in 2003 the ideas it had were probably pretty novel, but because so many other super hero shows have already done those tropes before, you can see the plot twists a mile away.

same thing for the walking dead

i see people saying it ripped off 28 days later when TWD came out first lol
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Yea I called it in the first ep after he killed the guardians. Still a fun show though

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saspa posted...

Omni-Man and his race are world conquerors. What I found interesting about this show is that most of the twists and turns have already been done by so many shows now. When the comic came out in 2003 the ideas it had were probably pretty novel, but because so many other super hero shows have already done those tropes before, you can see the plot twists a mile away.

I called it that he was basically a Saiyan.

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It was obvious when they had that past segment where he was explaining to kid Mark the fake story about how Viltrimites go from planet to planet "helping" people. This had the reach/blue beetle arc from Young Justice written all over it, and if I hadn't seen YJ or similar shows beforehand, I probably would have believed that story at facevalue.
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Yeah, at the end of the first ep, I was like "I knew this was another "evil Superman" story". Still a fun show with a great season finale.

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saspa posted...

It was obvious when they had that past segment where he was explaining to kid Mark the fake story about how Viltrimites go from planet to planet "helping" people. This had the reach/blue beetle arc from Young Justice written all over it, and if I hadn't seen YJ or similar shows beforehand, I probably would have believed that story at facevalue.

They didn't really try to hide it. I haven't seen a similar story but when Omni man goes to green guy world, he says "earth isn't yours to conquer" which is a pretty dead giveaway

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Balrog0 posted...

They didn't really try to hide it. I haven't seen a similar story but when Omni man goes to green guy world, he says "earth isn't yours to conquer" which is a pretty dead giveaway

That pretty much sealed it, but that was after the fake backstory in episode 1. By then it was pretty obvious after he killed the guardians of the earth in that same episode
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Balrog0 posted...

They didn't really try to hide it. I haven't seen a similar story but when Omni man goes to green guy world, he says "earth isn't yours to conquer" which is a pretty dead giveaway

Well that line can be interpretted both ways, but it was a weird way phrase to use without hindsight.

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Also why are the new globe guardians a bunch of teens though. I get it because of the comic demographic, but in-universe it makes no sense that they picked kids instead of grown ass adults. Also rex, is his power just throwing explosives and firecrackers? He made the cut?
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saspa posted...

Also why are the new globe guardians a bunch of teens though. I get it because of the comic demographic, but in-universe it makes no sense that they picked kids instead of grown ass adults. Also rex, is his power just throwing explosives and firecrackers? He made the cut?

I did have this same thought for sure. Also weird that there weren't more heroes around in general. I don't know anything about the source material though

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Robot got to make the selection. Even if he said hes not being biased, Im a bit skeptical that he chose his entire old team because they really were simply the best.

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Viltumites being world conquerors is the least notable thing about the story

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

I called it that he was basically a Saiyan.

Huh... when you boil it down it really is as simple as that. Disappointing XD
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I still think the show can be pretty interesting, if they show more dimensions than just "grah evil world conquerors" like at the end when omni-man actually felt a twinge of emotion.

Plus despite Amazon doing like 3 anti super hero shows now, I still never get tired of them. I'm liking this new age of diverse super hero shows, super heroes played straight, super heroes in various genres like noir and wuxia and crime drama/thriller, etc etc.
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OH yeah speaking of Robot, I don't know if they'll explain his backstory some more, like why he's a terrifying looking deformed fetus thing, but his actions this season are low-key one of the worst and the only reason I'm accepting that it got glossed over is because of the Omni-man thing literally shaking the world.
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saspa posted...

I still think the show can be pretty interesting, if they show more dimensions than just "grah evil world conquerors" like at the end when omni-man actually felt a twinge of emotion.

Plus despite Amazon doing like 3 anti super hero shows now, I still never get tired of them. I'm liking this new age of diverse super hero shows, super heroes played straight, super heroes in various genres like noir and wuxia and crime drama/thriller, etc etc.

What's the 3rd one? I know the boys.
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I am sus on Robot. He has shown a propensity to see the world in very basic black and white despite being a genius. I think he will take over for Cecil at some point and run the world.

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Also also, the mad scientist who built cyborg monsters in a sewer with a box of scraps... the fact that those things were able to beat Invincible kinda makes it unclear on his power scaling level, unless they're made out of adamantium or something it kinda makes him seem weaker.
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saspa posted...

Also also, the mad scientist who built cyborg monsters in a sewer with a box of scraps... the fact that those things were able to beat Invincible kinda makes it unclear on his power scaling level, unless they're made out of adamantium or something it kinda makes him seem weaker.

Could be the combat strength of a Viltrumite is directly related to how strongly they believe in their cause? Invincible was pretty strong when he had confidence but when not he was outclassed easily.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

I am sus on Robot. He has shown a propensity to see the world in very basic black and white despite being a genius. I think he will take over for Cecil at some point and run the world.

So do you think he's quote unquote "good" though? I mean his subplot was the most original I've seen in the show but with good reason, it's super creepy and very off-putting.

Also if he sees the world in black and white then he might not be a candidate for Cecil's position who sees the world in grey...
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saspa posted...

So do you think he's quote unquote "good" though? I mean his subplot was the most original I've seen in the show but with good reason, it's super creepy and very off-putting.

Also if he sees the world in black and white then he might not be a candidate for Cecil's position who sees the world in grey...

This would be the reason he takes over for Cecil. Why allow a moral grey area when you can just enforce your own morality? He had no issues stealing the DNA of a teammate and cloning them, or literally springing villains from confinement because for him it was the right thing to do.

What if he seems a bunch of weird cyborgs being made by Cecil and feels that he, as Robot, knows he should control them. It is the right thing to do.

As for if he is good, I think he has the best intentions for humanity. Where that takes him though I don't know.

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Fazeo13 posted...

What's the 3rd one? I know the boys.

I was gonna say The Tick although it's not quite anti superhero, but it definitely felt tonally weird and also a precursor to the boys with its dark moments and especially with superian in season 2 compared to homelander. But slightly more pg than these 2 shows are
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Could be the combat strength of a Viltrumite is directly related to how strongly they believe in their cause? Invincible was pretty strong when he had confidence but when not he was outclassed easily.

Huh. When you put it like that it kinda reminds me of what the other user said about them being like saiyans, and maybe these viltrumites get stronger every time they take a beating or something.
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saspa posted...

Huh. When you put it like that it kinda reminds me of what the other user said about them being like saiyans, and maybe these viltrumites get stronger every time they take a beating or something.

Lol, that was also me. I don't know if they get stronger that way, but they live for thousands of years. How old and experienced is Omni-Man? He is a God compared to Invincible. Plus Invincible is part human and fights with those insecurities.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

This would be the reason he takes over for Cecil. Why allow a moral grey area when you can just enforce your own morality? He had no issues stealing the DNA of a teammate and cloning them, or literally springing villains from confinement because for him it was the right thing to do.

What if he seems a bunch of weird cyborgs being made by Cecil and feels that he, as Robot, knows he should control them. It is the right thing to do.

As for if he is good, I think he has the best intentions for humanity. Where that takes him though I don't know.

Ah so you mean more in the sense of "the greater good" type of thinking.
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I can't really say much without spoiling the the comics. But I will say this. Omniman will be much more then just an evil Superman. As long as they follow the comics anyway.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Lol, that was also me. I don't know if they get stronger that way, but they live for thousands of years. How old and experienced is Omni-Man? He is a God compared to Invincible. Plus Invincible is part human and fights with those insecurities.

Heh. I was thinking "no way can Invincible ever take omni-man or even slow him down, what was Cecil thinking? Dude had trouble against cyborgs and he didn't even have a heart virus"
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saspa posted...

Also rex, is his power just throwing explosives and firecrackers? He made the cut?

Rex hits harder than the show has portrayed to date. He's still a feeble prick, but he does hit harder than you think.

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Rex is Gambit without the flair

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saspa posted...

I was gonna say The Tick although it's not quite anti superhero, but it definitely felt tonally weird and also a precursor to the boys with its dark moments and especially with superian in season 2 compared to homelander. But slightly more pg than these 2 shows are

The Tick was more, "what if a comedy character was in a dark and edgy comic." Which I think made that show even funnier. Also from what we saw it was less that Superian was evil and more that he was not all there in his head.

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I mean its pretty fucking obvious

idk why people think a predictable ending means bad show

the Whole premise is still pretty good and its neat to see super heroes vulnerable in warfare

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saspa posted...

Heh. I was thinking "no way can Invincible ever take omni-man or even slow him down, what was Cecil thinking? Dude had trouble against cyborgs and he didn't even have a heart virus"

Nolan is not the strongest member of his race. Just wait til you meet Conquest.

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creativerealms posted...

The Tick was more, "what if a comedy character was in a dark and edgy comic." Which I think made that show even funnier. Also from what we saw it was less that Superian was evil and more that he was not all there in his head.

That premise the way you describe it is actually great, I love stuff like that. The 2016 Tick didn't quite make me laugh that much, but it did have its amusing moments. I would have watched more seasons.
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creativerealms posted...

Nolan is not the strongest member of his race. Just wait til you meet Conquest.

The "Broly" I suppose?

Based on the real backstory reveal, I assumed that there'll probably be even bigger and badder viltrumites out there, ones not "softened" by being on earth and spending time with humans.
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Also can I just say that I love JK Simmons of course, always a treat. But did anyone else get... Whiplash vibes? Especially during "that" scene
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Ok I just thought of something else as I was reflecting on the series. Omni-man left the trashbag with his suit in his house, and debbie found it... and that etrigan-esque knockoff detective didn't find it? What?
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I starter reading rhe comics but so far have only read a prequel series about the origins of Rex and Atom Eve

Using this

https://imagecomics.fandom.com/wiki/Invincible_Recommended_Reading_Order

But anyway, comic Rex might be stronger than in the show. But its hard to say

No_U_L7 posted...

same thing for the walking dead

i see people saying it ripped off 28 days later when TWD came out first lol

They came out at practically the same time. It was basically entirely coincidence they are similar.

Heck, technically 28 days later came out a year before if you include its release date in the UK (1st November 2002) compared to the comics release in October 2003

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Zikten posted...

I starter reading rhe comics but so far have only read a prequel series about the origins of Rex and Atom Eve

Using this

https://imagecomics.fandom.com/wiki/Invincible_Recommended_Reading_Order

But anyway, comic Rex might be stronger than in the show. But its hard to say

So can I not just buy the compilations and read them in order? I've been thinking about reading the comic too

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saspa posted...

Ok I just thought of something else as I was reflecting on the series. Omni-man left the trashbag with his suit in his house, and debbie found it... and that etrigan-esque knockoff detective didn't find it? What?

Idk about that. The demon detective knew that Nolan killed the Guardians of the Globe. We just didn't know how much he knew since Cecil banished him back to Hell.

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Balrog0 posted...

So can I not just buy the compilations and read them in order? I've been thinking about reading the comic too

That order I linked includes spinoff stuff too. I think you can find them all in books on Amazon though. I read it on Kindle though

I read the first couple of compilations, they were entertaining. Image Comics have virtually no cohesion in their universe, so it's not like you have to read Spawn or Savage Dragon or any other title to know what's happening or why the fuck groups like Youngblood are sitting around with their thumbs up their asses while Omni-Man is on a fucking rampage lol

Note: I haven't read Image in a long time, so I'm not sure which titles are still active, but this was always an issue I had with them.

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Balrog0 posted...

So can I not just buy the compilations and read them in order? I've been thinking about reading the comic too

The three compilations are just the main series. None of the miniseries or cross overs with other comics. While you won't get lost you will miss extra details.

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I don't really care for the new teen guardians (does anyone? Will they even be much of a focus?) but I will say that this scene made no sense to me:

https://i.redd.it/0rvu2a7cddy61.jpg

When rex goes to wipe the stain, did they really "earn it" ? Although note sure if the show expects us to care about these guys besides the creepy Robot bit. The entire focus is Invincible/Omniman.
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creativerealms posted...

Nolan is not the strongest member of his race. Just wait til you meet Thragg.

Fixed. Also, I noticed Conquest makes an appearance in the last episode.

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saspa posted...

When rex goes to wipe the stain, did they really "earn it" ? Although note sure if the show expects us to care about these guys besides the creepy Robot bit. The entire focus is Invincible/Omniman.

The comic had a lot of moving parts that are all important in their own right, while season 1 put a lot of focus on Invincible and Omni-man, it was introducing a lot of stuff outside of that, that will be used later.

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currently reading comic. it get pretty cool once the other viltrumites show up


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I don't know if the Robot guy (who I guess is/was actually a human?) is actually a good guy yet, but can I just say the clone scene with him saying goodbye to the other clone was weirdly... moving. Especially compared to how the 2 blue guys take jabs at each other, this kinda got me. "I wish it was you" like that was really heartfelt.

It reminded me of The Prestige for obvious reasons ("the man in the box, or the prestige?"), so it really is interesting just how much this comic reminds me of other media tropes.
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Thinking on it, its weird this whole monster girl aging backwards thing, is she benjamin buttoning it? Does she still age in real time, like if she doesn't use her powers for a year she grows up normally and becomes a 15 year old? In 5 years a 20 year old? If so doesn't that mean that she would be... immortal? Her methods... supernatural?
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