Poll of the Day > Why is prostituion illegal?

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MondoMan180
05/10/21 10:33:18 AM
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2 consenting adults.

Why should it be illegal??
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Nichtcrawler X
05/10/21 10:36:08 AM
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When it is properly arranged and taxed and protected like every other job it is allowed. Then again, I do not live in the US.

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IronBornCorps
05/10/21 10:38:07 AM
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Puritans and Evangelist
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b_hamnite
05/10/21 10:58:02 AM
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IronBornCorps posted...
Puritans and Evangelist

Who hire it illegally off the street and head for hotels.

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BUMPED2002
05/10/21 11:00:39 AM
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No idea why but prostitution dates back for centuries including during biblical times so as the old saying goes, "it's the oldest profession" known to man.

Personally, I think it should be legal in all 50 states within some reason of course because sometimes men just want to have fun without the baggage.

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Dmess85
05/10/21 11:02:30 AM
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Should be regulated to prevent human / sex trafficking.

Should be regulated to some extent so the people who are involved the acts can go to the police when something goes wrong and can feel safe.


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IronBornCorps
05/10/21 11:03:44 AM
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b_hamnite posted...
Who hire it illegally off the street and head for hotels.

Heavy religious people can be hypocritical, News at 11
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FatalAccident
05/10/21 11:04:12 AM
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Nichtcrawler X posted...
When it is properly arranged and taxed and protected like every other job it is allowed. Then again, I do not live in the US.
Dont you live in the Netherlands lol

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MondoMan180
05/10/21 11:15:22 AM
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Government is trying to forcibly and artificially prop up the marriage institution -

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Kanatteru
05/10/21 11:36:14 AM
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you'll have to define your terms here because "prostitution" has kind of fallen out of use in favor of "sex work" of which full-service can be a kind.

but generally speaking yes i agree sex work should be legal and protected

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aiyobro
05/10/21 11:51:28 AM
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sex work and crypto are argueably safer than the stock market, a baseball game, gatcha games

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adjl
05/10/21 12:42:11 PM
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It's mostly a holdout from the "sex=bad" days, perpetuated in part by a strong religious lobby that still feels that way (especially when it comes to women having casual sex). At this point, most people have shifted to a more liberal attitude toward sex in general, but sex work still has that stigma associated with it, which isn't helped by the fact that it continues to be illegal.

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MeteoricBurst
05/10/21 1:09:58 PM
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I think most people interested in sex work turn to the online markets now like OnlyFans etc instead of hitting the pavement. Though I never got why street prostitutes were illegal while porn wasn't (mostly).

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MondoMan180
05/10/21 1:12:11 PM
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MeteoricBurst posted...
I think most people interested in sex work turn to the online markets now like OnlyFans etc instead of hitting the pavement. Though I never got why street prostitutes were illegal while porn wasn't (mostly).

But beyond that, people who want actual physical contact
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Mead
05/10/21 1:49:27 PM
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Just to make it more exciting for people that are into that danger feeling

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Metalsonic66
05/10/21 1:50:44 PM
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MondoMan180 posted...
2 consenting adults.

Why should it be illegal??
It is legal, if you film it

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Revelation34
05/10/21 1:53:01 PM
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MondoMan180 posted...
Government is trying to forcibly and artificially prop up the marriage institution -

https://i.redd.it/aen33i2cx8p41.jpg


Nobody actually believes this.
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zebatov
05/10/21 1:54:03 PM
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Most things the government cant control are illegal.
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MondoMan180
05/10/21 2:13:30 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
Nobody actually believes this.

Then why is it illegal?

If you can't answer tbe question, then Occam's Razor applies. Ergo, I win, you lose.
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Revelation34
05/10/21 2:14:53 PM
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MondoMan180 posted...


Then why is it illegal?

If you can't answer tbe question, then Occam's Razor applies. Ergo, I win, you lose.


Religion.
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adjl
05/10/21 2:19:09 PM
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MondoMan180 posted...
If you can't answer tbe question, then Occam's Razor applies. Ergo, I win, you lose.

That's not how Occam's Razor works.

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Zeus
05/10/21 3:01:09 PM
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Because it's one of the few areas where the left and right can agree. Hell, both sides just barely allow the porn industry to exist.

Of course, there probably valid arguments on the left and right against it, but it's kinda ridiculous considering it's just sex with money tossed in. And it's something where a properly regulated industry would likely be far, far safer for everybody than what we have today. However, there's certainly a moral argument against allowing the government to profit off things that could potentially harm citizens (which is why we haven't seen greater alcohol control despite the fact it's ravaged societies and created cycles of violence, abuse, dysfunction, etc).

While I'm okay with legalizing sex work, there are certainly potential issues.

MondoMan180 posted...
Government is trying to forcibly and artificially prop up the marriage institution -

https://i.redd.it/aen33i2cx8p41.jpg

That doesn't make any sense since legal prostitution would probably help more married couples stay together.

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teddy241
05/10/21 3:32:30 PM
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how do you regulate whether or not the person "got theirs"?

The woman could get tired and call it early or the guy could go 1 minute blow his load and demand a refund.
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Mead
05/10/21 3:40:04 PM
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teddy241 posted...
how do you regulate whether or not the person "got theirs"?

you dont

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adjl
05/10/21 4:06:37 PM
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Zeus posted...
Because it's one of the few areas where the left and right can agree.

That's really more "how" than "why."

teddy241 posted...
how do you regulate whether or not the person "got theirs"?

The woman could get tired and call it early or the guy could go 1 minute blow his load and demand a refund.

Same way you regulate whether or not somebody gets the meal they want at a restaurant: You don't. If the restaurant decides not to bother seasoning somebody's meal and the person wants a refund as a result, it's still up to the restaurant to decide whether or not to give it. Similarly, if somebody eats their whole meal and demands a refund, it's still up to the restaurant to decide whether or not to give it. In turn, the customer can review the restaurant and choose whether or not to come back according to their experience, so the restaurant has to consider whether the PR and repeat business is worth giving the refund.

There will be some regulations to prevent abject abuse, obviously, but for the most part, the customer satisfaction aspect of the market can regulate itself.

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BlackJackCat
05/10/21 4:23:07 PM
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adjl posted...
That's not how Occam's Razor works.

No, but it's hilarious watching it be used in this manner.

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shadowsword87
05/10/21 4:25:27 PM
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adjl posted...
That's not how Occam's Razor works.

It is, and by occam's razor, I'm right and you're wrong, I win and you lose.
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adjl
05/10/21 4:25:43 PM
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BlackJackCat posted...
No, but it's hilarious watching it be used in this manner.

It's not even being used. "There's a grand governmental conspiracy to perpetuate the institution of marriage" is very much not a simpler explanation than "some people still think sex is icky and nobody wants to risk their political career by pissing them off."

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Zeus
05/10/21 4:28:44 PM
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adjl posted...
That's really more "how" than "why."

It's really both at that point. The "how" and the "why" are pretty indistinguishable.


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PunishedOni
05/10/21 4:33:32 PM
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sex work is pretty demoralizing and miserable 99% of the time. obviously making it illegal doesnt actually solve that, but i think that's why people have the instinct to criminalize it and sweep it under the rug where they have to think about it less

edit: just to be 100% clear im not defending the criminalization of sex work, im trying to give a more nuanced answer to "why is it illegal" than just 'those people are prudes who hate sex'

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MeteoricBurst
05/10/21 4:41:35 PM
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If it was that demoralising and miserable for most, so many people wouldn't be in a rush nowadays to pimp themselves out. The difference between now and the past is where the sex worker has a lot more power in their hands through the internet to promote their services. Rather than being under the thumb of a pimp/studio etc where most of their money isn't staying with them. They are the ones reaping the reward now.

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BlackJackCat
05/10/21 4:47:43 PM
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adjl posted...
It's not even being used. "There's a grand governmental conspiracy to perpetuate the institution of marriage" is very much not a simpler explanation than "some people still think sex is icky and nobody wants to risk their political career by pissing them off."

You're right, but that's what makes the application all the more hilarious.

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adjl
05/10/21 4:57:41 PM
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Zeus posted...
It's really both at that point. The "how" and the "why" are pretty indistinguishable.

Not remotely. "It's illegal because most people in power keep voting to keep it that way" is pretty much straight tautology. It explains nothing about the reasons behind voting that way, meaning it doesn't answer "why?" in the slightest.

PunishedOni posted...
sex work is pretty demoralizing and miserable 99% of the time. obviously making it illegal doesnt actually solve that, but i think that's why people have the instinct to criminalize it and sweep it under the rug where they have to think about it less

edit: just to be 100% clear im not defending the criminalization of sex work, im trying to give a more nuanced answer to "why is it illegal" than just 'those people are prudes who hate sex'

While true, and definitely a major factor behind people wanting it to stay illegal, keeping it illegal really just makes that worse in every way. I'm not sure why so many people refuse to see that.

BlackJackCat posted...
You're right, but that's what makes the application all the more hilarious.

Fair.

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Mead
05/10/21 5:06:45 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
It is, and by occam's razor, I'm right and you're wrong, I win and you lose.

dammit

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Metalsonic66
05/10/21 5:09:31 PM
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The ickier the better, baby

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adjl
05/10/21 5:09:54 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
It is, and by occam's razor, I'm right and you're wrong, I win and you lose.

No. Occam's razor says I win.

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Krazy_Kirby
05/10/21 5:11:26 PM
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morality morons
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PunishedOni
05/10/21 5:13:05 PM
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MeteoricBurst posted...
If it was that demoralising and miserable for most, so many people wouldn't be in a rush nowadays to pimp themselves out. The difference between now and the past is where the sex worker has a lot more power in their hands through the internet to promote their services. Rather than being under the thumb of a pimp/studio etc where most of their money isn't staying with them. They are the ones reaping the reward now.
ok dude

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BlackJackCat
05/10/21 5:13:48 PM
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adjl posted...
While true, and definitely a major factor behind people wanting it to stay illegal, keeping it illegal really just makes that worse in every way. I'm not sure why so many people refuse to see that.

MeteoricBurst posted...
The difference between now and the past is where the sex worker has a lot more power in their hands through the internet to promote their services. Rather than being under the thumb of a pimp/studio etc where most of their money isn't staying with them. They are the ones reaping the reward now.

I can see how a lot of people would lose money if they legalized prostitution, at the very least the people selling an inferior "product" might have trouble competing if someone is willing to give the whole package. I don't know if the mainstream porn industry would suffer as a whole, but the more I think about it, the less the alternatives seem attractive.

If you have the money to drop on gratuitous raunchy sex within the limits of the law, why the fuck would you pay to watch someone else have it?

So ironically, the sex workers who benefit from the current system would probably low key want to keep the status quo to keep the money coming to them. In that I can also see an argument for keeping it criminalized though, since it would likely take control away from the prostituting party.

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ReturnOfFa
05/10/21 5:14:57 PM
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MeteoricBurst posted...
If it was that demoralising and miserable for most, so many people wouldn't be in a rush nowadays to pimp themselves out. The difference between now and the past is where the sex worker has a lot more power in their hands through the internet to promote their services. Rather than being under the thumb of a pimp/studio etc where most of their money isn't staying with them. They are the ones reaping the reward now.
I think Oni took a subtle enough approach, and you're not. Plenty of accounts from sex workers to look at. Advocating for legality of sex work and acknowledging systemic abuse within sex work don't have to be mutually exclusive.

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JigsawTDC
05/10/21 5:20:33 PM
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I am the Occam's razor winner.
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PunishedOni
05/10/21 5:24:10 PM
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occam's razor is ok, but occam's electrolysis is way better. thats why i win every argument

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IronBornCorps
05/10/21 5:30:36 PM
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Ok, I'll give a more nuanced answer. It's still around religion. Multiple religions have painted women as subservient and to men throughout history.

Sex work, while not limited to women, is largely populated by women. If it's legal and regulated, women would then be able to branch out and form their own business (seeing this already on Social Media now). If it's illegal, you further chip away at independence and autonomy for women.

Basically, if you can control sex, you can further your control on women on a sociological level.

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Kanatteru
05/10/21 5:40:29 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
I think Oni took a subtle enough approach, and you're not. Plenty of accounts from sex workers to look at.

well this is why i said we need to define our terms -- there are many different kinds of sex work, and all of them can be demoralizing as well as empowering. criminalization contributes greatly (though not entirely) to it being demoralizing.

as usual the problem is capitalism because as long as we have that we'll have people forced to do sex work for survival.

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adjl
05/10/21 5:51:23 PM
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Kanatteru posted...
as usual the problem is capitalism because as long as we have that we'll have people forced to do sex work for survival.

On the flip side, post-capitalism, there's no reason for full-service sex work to exist at all because there's no incentive for the "work" side of it (those that do it because they just enjoy sex can just hook up non-professionally instead). You just need a little bit of capitalism to provide some benefit to working for the "work" part to make any sense, just not so much that it's all that stands between workers and starvation.

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MeteoricBurst
05/10/21 6:12:16 PM
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IronBornCorps posted...
Ok, I'll give a more nuanced answer. It's still around religion. Multiple religions have painted women as subservient and to men throughout history.

Sex work, while not limited to women, is largely populated by women. If it's legal and regulated, women would then be able to branch out and form their own business (seeing this already on Social Media now). If it's illegal, you further chip away at independence and autonomy for women.

Basically, if you can control sex, you can further your control on women on a sociological level.

Yup. Its also telling that only 2 people in here (I think) have mentioned the internet/social media angle. Which is the dominant scene now. I don't think these people realise how dramatically the sex work landscape has changed in the last 5 years.

ReturnOfFa posted...
I think Oni took a subtle enough approach, and you're not. Plenty of accounts from sex workers to look at. Advocating for legality of sex work and acknowledging systemic abuse within sex work don't have to be mutually exclusive.

Thats funny because a statement such as "sex work is miserable and demoralising for 99% of the people doing it" is as far from subtle as you can get. Not to mention detached from reality. The lie that people don't "want" to be sex workers should end. The vast majority do. But as noted it goes back to religious moralistic nonsense, where sex work is not seen as a "real job" or that they have no other skills to cope so they resort to that. And it's like um people just like making bank while banging other people, it's not hard to understand. They can have degrees and all that "respectable" stuff. And still build a brand using their body.

Those horror stories you heard before was because it used to be that sex workers usually operated on the whims of someone else. That does not have to happen now. Which doesn't mean it never will. There will be people who end up on the streets by force but the vast majority are doing it from the comfort of their homes and should not be punished. Making it illegal or cracking down on sex service sites, which we've seen recently, is counterproductive. However as Iron pointed out them having that amount of agency and control now is not in a lot of people's interest.


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IronBornCorps
05/10/21 6:18:52 PM
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I will say, the amount of sexy worker who actually enjoy their job and want to stay in it is not 100%.

I've done sex work, both in person and online. I can tell you without a doubt, in person sex work is DANGEROUS is in the US. I would be interested in seeing statistics compared to Amsterdam or a country where it legal, and look at things like job satisfaction, time in the sector, ect...
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BlackJackCat
05/10/21 6:31:40 PM
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MeteoricBurst posted...
Thats funny because a statement such as "sex work is miserable and demoralising for 99% of the people doing it" is as far from subtle as you can get. Not to mention detached from reality. The lie that people don't "want" to be sex workers should end. The vast majority do. But as noted it goes back to religious moralistic nonsense, where sex work is not seen as a "real job" or that they have no other skills to cope so they resort to that. And it's like um people just like making bank while banging other people, it's not hard to understand. They can have degrees and all that "respectable" stuff. And still build a brand using their body.

The thing is that most people on the outside look at prostitution in the more extreme situation, like the street walker who has no choice in who they have sex with to stay alive, and/or pay a pimp. The situation you're painting is an idealistic one where someone is willingly having sex with people they want because they can, while making money doing it, which I'm not saying it can't happen, but that's not the image that prostitution has.

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wolfy42
05/10/21 6:46:49 PM
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I've seen some good responses, but honestly it's just religion that makes it illegal.

The idea that sex work is demoralizing etc, is mainly because it is looked down apon, but if it was accepted and applauded (and many would applaud sex workers if it didn't have a stigma attached to it), that would be different.

I would have considered being a sex worker possibly when younger. I was very good in bed, had some advantages many men don't have and enjoyed pleasing others. Sex was fun for me, but wasn't the uber motivation it is for most guys, so it wouldn't have been a dream job, but, the fact I could make so many people really happy would have had a big appeal to me.

If people who didn't dislike sex, were able to safely provide services for other people who needed/wanted sex, they were paid a fair amount and safe from getting hurt/diseases etc, I think the world would be a better place.

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with selling your body to make other people happy, hell we do that all the time in tons of other jobs, often injuring ourselves our doing things we don't like over and over again. Having sex for money, or giving hand jobs etc, is, at least for some, much more enjoyable than other jobs, and it certainly has the potential to make clients very happy lol.

There should only laws to protect sex workers, to ensure those too young are not involved, that nobody is forced against their will, and that everyone conducts themselves in a safe way (possibly requiring protection, or a drug screening before each client (by both parties) etc.

I'm certainly not an expect but i'm pretty sure a way could be made that allowed sex workers to apply their trade without endangering anyone, and it probably is done in other parts of the world (Amsterdam I think?).

Anyway, the current setup in the US is horrid, it's illegal, but allowed (or done all the time), massage parlors quite often provide full service or at least happy endings, people can hire "escorts" in any city in the US to come to their hotel rooms, and you can even get around the legal implications by filming it etc. The setup opens the door for criminals to make a profit, to take advantage of those too young, or get girls addicted to drugs etc to control them. It makes it easier for sex trafficing as well, forcing people into the sex trade, or moving them against their will in and out of this country.

IF you are going to make it illegal, then do so 100% and monitor it. Do not let it go on "behind the scenes", and do not create a vacuum for criminals to take advantage of people, or ruin peoples lives etc.

Either make it totally illegal and prosicute any and everyone involved drastically, or make it illegal and protect the people in the trade. Do NOT do what we currently do in this country, which just creates a harsh environment for many who work in that trade, gives more money and power to people who you really don't want having more of either, and certainly ensures that stds etc are probably transmitted far more often (probably often to poor significant others who had nothing to do with their spouses etc decision and didn't even know about it.

Much like trying to prevent birth control for teens etc, making prostitution illegal is just causing a bigger problem under the guise of religion. Birth control should be available for all, and so should prostitutes lol.

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