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Full Throttle 05/09/21 10:35:13 PM #1: |
Should we pay anti-vaxx conservatives in order to get them to take the shot?
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The cash incentives of $100+ proved for more persuasive than a doctor or pharmacist such as Anthony Fauci or polarizing political figure Joe Biden according to the NYT Although not all of them cannot be bought as 15% say they will NEVER get vaccinated no matter what The prospects of not having to wear a mask ever again is another effective inducement with some 63% of participants said they would be more likely to get vaccinated if it meant no more masks The number of americans getting their vaccines has now fallen to below 2 million a day as the hope of herd immunity is fading with the virus having more time to mutate and could break through the vaccines Some states are already offering incentives including cash payments for driving neighbors to vaccination sites to even some bars offering free alcohol and DOUGHNUTS to entice people Even Trader Joes and Dollar General have offered financial inducements to staff who take up the vaccine UCLA says the likelihood of people getting vaccinated when offered 25-100 is more enticing with 34% stating they would if it was a 100 bucks with 31% said if it was 50 and another 28% if it was 25 But some of the randomly surveyed are less likely and cannot be bought. Democrats are more likely to get vaccinated with a 100 payment but Republicans want MORE or nothing can be persuade them at all Doctors say the only way to get the hestitant and unvaccinated population to get the shot now is to offer cash incentives..but how to pay the millions who refuse it will have to be a decision in Congress But no matter what, a large portion will still not take the shot and a poll shows just how much of an uphill climb it will be where those people already made up their minds with 79% of those unvaccinated say they will NEVER get it and women are slightly more likely to change their minds but men have already made up their minds who don't trust government vaccines alraedy 70% of the population to get vaccinated seemed like it could be of reach to turf the infection but with every new variant including the dominant strain in the UK and Brazil, the needle is now north of 80 and it simply isn't possible with 20-30% of Americans not wanting it. Wyoming has the highest rate of vaccine hesitancy along with Mississippi as the next highest Should we start paying anti-vaxx conservatives money just to get vaccinated? https://i.imgur.com/8C3QiW8.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8k2TMGz.jpg https://i.imgur.com/S9UvMU7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/W8seJJ6.jpg https://i.imgur.com/JZwRAyX.jpg https://i.imgur.com/pbcv97z.jpg https://i.imgur.com/o0tZpbk.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HMvrSwo.jpg https://i.imgur.com/pfqcvmV.jpg https://i.imgur.com/46SbzIi.jpg --- The News Will Continue...For Now call me mrduckbear, sweater monkeys. I'm an Asian Liberal. RESIST The Alt-Right ... Copied to Clipboard!
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papercup 05/09/21 10:53:05 PM #2: |
I've been saying this for months. Incentivize getting the vaccine with a stimulus check.
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LinkPizza 05/09/21 11:09:15 PM #3: |
Only if they also pay everyone who has gotten the shot, as well...
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Metalsonic66 05/09/21 11:24:40 PM #4: |
LinkPizza posted...
Only if they also pay everyone who has gotten the shot, as well... --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 05/09/21 11:51:08 PM #5: |
sounds like a SOCIALISM SWITCH
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KZadBhat420 05/10/21 12:13:42 AM #6: |
ReturnOfFa posted...
sounds like a SOCIALISM SWITCHAlways remember, the vast majority of "conservatives" only hate socialism when it benefits anyone other than themselves. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 05/10/21 12:31:44 AM #7: |
KZadBhat420 posted...
Always remember, the vast majority of "conservatives" only hate socialism when it benefits anyone other than themselves.Oh, I'm aware ;_; --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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streamofthesky 05/10/21 1:49:46 AM #8: |
Fuck no
Tighten restrictions on anyone not vaccinated to do shit and they'll relent eventually. Or move off the grid. Either way, net win for the rest of us. If the government even CONSIDERS this madness, literally everyone in the process of getting vaccine appointments will halt it so they can wait till there's a payout for it. Also, going by the graph, there's massive diminishing returns after $25, so why the fuck should $100 get handed out? 28% for $25 isn't bad. Each doubling for just another 3%? What a waste... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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funkyfritter 05/10/21 1:52:59 AM #9: |
Whatever gets the pandemic under control. Yeah, it stings rewarding people for being stupid and/or selfish, but the bottom line remains that we should strive to reach herd immunity as soon as possible. If handing out cash is the most efficient means of making that happen, I'm for it.
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Mead 05/10/21 1:58:43 AM #10: |
funkyfritter posted...
Whatever gets the pandemic under control. Yeah, it stings rewarding people for being stupid and/or selfish, but the bottom line remains that we should strive to reach herd immunity as soon as possible. If handing out cash is the most efficient means of making that happen, I'm for it. I dont like it, but yeah, I agree. --- YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 05/10/21 9:06:59 AM #11: |
Just fine people who don't (without sufficient justification, such as a severe allergy risk or compromised immune system). Same incentive, but it becomes a revenue source instead of an expense.
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final_lap 05/10/21 11:05:01 AM #12: |
There would be nothing stopping people from purposefully delaying getting a vaccine so they can get the $100 bribe. Not to mention it wouldn't be fair to those who got vaccinated early.
Meaning we'd have to give $100 to everyone. Which isn't entirely a bad idea. It would be no different from a stimulus check and if anything it might spur people to get vaccinated sooner than they might have otherwise, on average. Everybody wins. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 05/10/21 11:50:39 AM #13: |
final_lap posted...
There would be nothing stopping people from purposefully delaying getting a vaccine so they can get the $100 bribe. Not to mention it wouldn't be fair to those who got vaccinated early. Could always give a larger reward to early adopters. $100 to everyone already vaccinated and who gets it within a month of becoming eligible, then decrease it by $20 for every two weeks after that. Then if people let it get to 0, have it keep decreasing to become a fine. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 05/10/21 11:51:06 AM #14: |
Yeah I don't know. I don't think it's a good look for the govt to bribe people to get the shot. Will probably actually cause more distrust in the vaccines among those opposed to it
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grimhilde00 05/10/21 12:00:34 PM #15: |
I would vote just fucking pay them so we can get back to normal already. I don't care.
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OhhhJa 05/10/21 12:05:26 PM #16: |
grimhilde00 posted...
I would vote just fucking pay them so we can get back to normal already. I don't care.No. Any and all medical procedures should be completely voluntary. Period. No ands ifs or buts ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkPizza 05/10/21 12:12:28 PM #17: |
adjl posted...
Could always give a larger reward to early adopters. $100 to everyone already vaccinated and who gets it within a month of becoming eligible I was thinking of this, as well... More money to people who already had it, or got it as soon as possible... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 05/10/21 2:23:55 PM #18: |
OhhhJa posted...
No. Any and all medical procedures should be completely voluntary. Period. No ands ifs or buts For personal health, sure. For public health, there's a lot more at stake than personal considerations, so leaving it entirely up to personal choice is going to run into some problems. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 05/10/21 2:25:40 PM #19: |
OhhhJa posted...
No. Any and all medical procedures should be completely voluntary. Period. No ands ifs or buts wouldn't stuff like smallpox and polio still be around if this was the case? --- YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 05/10/21 3:11:56 PM #20: |
papercup posted...
I've been saying this for months. Incentivize getting the vaccine with a stimulus check. Probably some legal issues with this. streamofthesky posted... Tighten restrictions on anyone not vaccinated to do shit and they'll relent eventually. Probably even more legal issues with this. streamofthesky posted... Also, going by the graph, there's massive diminishing returns after $25, so why the fuck should $100 get handed out? 28% for $25 isn't bad. Each doubling for just another 3%? What a waste... I'm surprised that $25 would be enough added incentive for anybody, unless they were already for it. adjl posted... Just fine people who don't (without sufficient justification, such as a severe allergy risk or compromised immune system). ...and that's probably the most illegal suggestion so far. Well, that or Stream's. OhhhJa posted... No. Any and all medical procedures should be completely voluntary. Period. No ands ifs or buts Paying somebody to do something means that it's still voluntary. >_> adjl posted... For personal health, sure. For public health, there's a lot more at stake than personal considerations, so leaving it entirely up to personal choice is going to run into some problems. You might have a better excuse for your fascistic policy suggestions if not for the fact that there's already been widespread vaccination and the biggest thing that held back vaccinations was the rollout and supply issues. (And it's worth noting that despite all of his big campaign promises, Biden wound up doing EXACTLY the same thing as Trump -- just handing vaccines to the states and letting them figure out their own distribution.) --- (\/)(\/)|-| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkPizza 05/10/21 3:22:47 PM #21: |
Zeus posted...
Probably some legal issues with this. Maybe not. Werent free donuts already a thing... Zeus posted... Probably even more legal issues with this. Probably not this, either... Since people were able to be fired from their jobs... Zeus posted... Paying somebody to do something means that it's still voluntary. >_> I think he may have been talking about the fine part... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 05/10/21 3:33:58 PM #22: |
Zeus posted...
You might have a better excuse for your fascistic policy suggestions if not for the fact that there's already been widespread vaccination and the biggest thing that held back vaccinations was the rollout and supply issues. It is indeed unnecessary to add further incentives unless vaccine hesitancy starts to become a serious threat to achieving herd immunity (which, in turn, increases the risk of seeing variants that can bypass the vaccines). It really goes without saying that all of these suggestions are potential responses to anti-vaxxers becoming a real public health problem. No need to get so worked up over hypotheticals. Zeus posted... ...and that's probably the most illegal suggestion so far. How is it any different from fining somebody for driving around with brakes that don't meet inspection standards? --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EvilMegas 05/10/21 3:35:33 PM #23: |
So, they are asking for a ransom?
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OhhhJa 05/10/21 4:26:14 PM #24: |
Zeus posted...
Paying somebody to do something means that it's still voluntary. >_>She specifically mentioned a fine Mead posted... wouldn't stuff like smallpox and polio still be around if this was the case?As far as I know, those were never performed involuntarily. adjl posted... For personal health, sure. For public health, there's a lot more at stake than personal considerations, so leaving it entirely up to personal choice is going to run into some problems.I think that my point is that if something is sufficiently deadly, people will voluntarily opt in to be vaccinated. A lot of the problem with the covid shot is many people clearly don't feel that it's a threat to them. And for most people, that's probably true. I know people that know people that have died from it but there are probably a ton of people who don't even know anyone that knows anyone that died from it or even came down with it because the death rate is less than 1% if I recall correctly. I'm not arguing against getting the covid shot. Just saying that I think things like polio and smallpox were perceived as a greater threat by the public ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JigsawTDC 05/10/21 4:46:00 PM #25: |
Why is the dude in the last picture being shot up like it's heroin. Even looks like there's a tie off there? That's probably a dude giving blood, not getting a vaccine, because that's a weird fucking spot to choose to get jabbed for the vaccine...
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adjl 05/10/21 4:49:25 PM #26: |
OhhhJa posted...
I think that my point is that if something is sufficiently deadly, people will voluntarily opt in to be vaccinated. A lot of the problem with the covid shot is many people clearly don't feel that it's a threat to them. And for most people, that's probably true. I know people that know people that have died from it but there are probably a ton of people who don't even know anyone that knows anyone that died from it or even came down with it because the death rate is less than 1% if I recall correctly. All of which are the personal considerations to which I alluded. Generally speaking, most people don't feel personally threatened by this. In many cases, that's quite mistaken, given that there are actually very few things that have a 0.3% mortality rate that we'd consider "acceptably risky" (skydiving and bungee jumping, for example, clock in at around 0.0002%), and the risk of being killed or maimed by Covid is several orders of magnitude higher than the risk of suffering any serious adverse effects from any of the approved vaccines, but that's just human nature. By and large, humans are really bad at risk analysis, but we still respect people's right to make bad decisions for themselves. Those are, however, just personal considerations. Public health has to take a lot more than those into account. If somebody's personal choice harms the public, that's when it becomes necessary to intervene. The old "your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins" thing. Does that mean people should be pinned down and forced to be vaccinated? Probably not. That's more than a little extreme, in addition to being unnecessary. Does that mean people should be excluded from interacting with the public until they stop acting contrary to the public's health needs? If the risk is great enough. This is the basis for any quarantine: You're not forcing treatment into them, but you are keeping them isolated from society until they recover so they don't infect anyone else. Will anti-vaxxers pose enough of a risk to America's recovery from Covid to warrant more extreme measures? That remains to be seen. The fact that we can't easily say "no" is quite alarming, but that's the unfortunate reality of the world we live in now. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 05/10/21 4:50:09 PM #27: |
Full Throttle posted...
A third of unvaccinated conservative anti-vaxxers say they would be happy to get the vaccine IF they were offered MONEY to take it!! Oh, and apparently this is an outright lie since the graphics don't say anything about the affiliations of those surveyed. LinkPizza posted... Maybe not. Werent free donuts already a thing... That's a private company and they actually give those free donuts to everybody (or maybe fewer donuts to the unvaxed?). Private companies broadly enjoy a vast amount of leeway that you don't see with government, which is why Twitter, Facebook, etc, can get away with targeted bans that would attract lawsuits if the services were government-owned. LinkPizza posted... Probably not this, either... Since people were able to be fired from their jobs... Probably the biggest case of apples and oranges you can get. You're comparing individual private companies against government edicts affecting everybody. adjl posted... How is it any different from fining somebody for driving around with brakes that don't meet inspection standards? You mean how is operating a vehicle different from being alive? >_> --- (\/)(\/)|-| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 05/10/21 5:00:42 PM #28: |
Zeus posted...
You mean how is operating a vehicle different from being alive? >_> Sure, we'll go with that, if that's how you want to consider that analogy (little awkward, but you do you). In terms of public safety, how do you feel that being alive and operating a vehicle are different? --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkPizza 05/10/21 8:50:48 PM #29: |
Zeus posted...
That's a private company and they actually give those free donuts to everybody (or maybe fewer donuts to the unvaxed?). Private companies broadly enjoy a vast amount of leeway that you don't see with government, which is why Twitter, Facebook, etc, can get away with targeted bans that would attract lawsuits if the services were government-owned. But if everyone could get the money, then what are the legal issues? I could understand if they didnt include everybody, but if they did, then that should be fine, right? Zeus posted... Probably the biggest case of apples and oranges you can get. You're comparing individual private companies against government edicts affecting everybody. Whats the real difference, though? Plus, they had other things that affected everyone like the mask rules and stuff, right? --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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