Poll of the Day > Remember when people said that anti-vaxx was neither left wing or right wing?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Looooooool

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No

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That's true, Bill Maher is on the left (is he?) and he's anti-vax

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Biden got 80m votes and there's 100m Americans vaccinated, that means 20m democrats didn't vote.

Obviously.

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It is a relatively bipartisan brand of idiocy. Over the past year, the partisan nature of the Covid pandemic (which is goddamn pathetic) has meant that vaccine hesitancy and anti-vaxx sentiments have shifted to be more of a right-wing thing, but I'd expect that to shift back to being fairly neutral once Covid has passed.

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anti covid vaccine and anti-vax aren't the same thing for most people
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

anti covid vaccine and anti-vax aren't the same thing for most people

It's mostly the same logic of refusing to trust pharmaceutical companies when they say they've adequately tested their products. Whether or not one thinks they're opposed to vaccines in general, if they're being logically consistent, opposing the Covid vaccine means they should be.

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I'm not going to sift through all the covid articles to find the data, but antivaxxers were definitely very popular among the more 'progressive' communities prior to covid. The hippie types. If anything, it was probably more left wing before this.

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Smarkil posted...

antivaxxers

Smarkil posted...

'progressive

pick one

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Smarkil posted...

I'm not going to sift through all the covid articles to find the data, but antivaxxers were definitely very popular among the more 'progressive' communities prior to covid. The hippie types. If anything, it was probably more left wing before this.

Prior to covid, you had the hippie types coming from the left, but also the individualistic folks on the right insisting that they don't want to weaken their immune system with the vaccine (science not exactly being their strong suit) and don't care about contributing to herd immunity, plus a smattering of religious objections. The distrust of Big Pharma was a factor on both sides.

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Smarkil posted...

I'm not going to sift through all the covid articles to find the data, but antivaxxers were definitely very popular among the more 'progressive' communities prior to covid. The hippie types. If anything, it was probably more left wing before this.

This, honestly. It was definitely a thing on both sides of the political spectrum, at least until Covid and the Internet turned it into yet another way to polarize over Trump, at which point it became more visibly Right.

Jenny McCarthy was one of the major anti-vax personalities years ago, and she's pretty strongly anti-Republican.
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They still say it despite 50% republicans are against the vaccine

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I'd say it's primarily fueled by right-wingers. The anti-vaxx belief system doesn't have political boundaries itself, plenty of professed 'left-wingers' eating up the anti-vaxx stuff. However, there's a lot of 'red-brown' connection in media (professed leftists 'working with' self-avowed fascists, or fascist adjacent individuals), and most of those higher up pushing anti-vax are on the fascist/right-wing side of things. Or they have some stupid 3rd position politics they don't realize comes from Aleksandr Dugin.

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Remember when people said that anti-vaxx was neither left wing or right wing?

Remember when you used to not troll? Looooooool

Both the left and right have anti-vaxxers, which has ALWAYS been the case. Jon Stewart was reporting on outbreaks of diseases due to anti-vaxxing in far-left communities like a decade ago when he was still running the Daily Show. And keep in mind that some of the biggest vaccine skeptics were Joe Biden and Kamala Harris who repeatedly questioned vaccines on the campaign trail where both said that they wouldn't trust any vaccine that Trump had helped to procure, which was a pathetic move on their part and the moderators didn't do that much to challenge either one of them.


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It is both actually.

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First, one has to assess which side is the My body, my choice. side.

zebatov posted...

First, one has to assess which side is the My body, my choice. side.

Abortion isn't the same as vaccines bub. Plus, wealthy Conservatives tend to make 'the choice' in private while negating its access publicly, so they're hypocrites themselves.

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zebatov posted...

First, one has to assess which side is the My body, my choice. side.

if you really think abortion is comparable to vaccines, youre a dumbfuck.

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zebatov posted...

First, one has to assess which side is the My body, my choice. side.

It usually doesn't take me this long in the day to read something stupid on the internet.

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Zeus posted...

And keep in mind that some of the biggest vaccine skeptics were Joe Biden and Kamala Harris who repeatedly questioned vaccines on the campaign trail where both said that they wouldn't trust any vaccine that Trump had helped to procure, which was a pathetic move on their part and the moderators didn't do that much to challenge either one of them.

At that point, I was also skeptical of the vaccines, regardless of whether or not it was one Trump was backing. That was a very accelerated timeline for a vaccine release, and a whole lot of people (Trump being just one of them) had a lot to gain by cutting corners to get to market quickly. I changed my mind once the vaccines actually started rolling out and the data was available to show that they had in fact met all of the necessary standards that would normally be involved in being approved by the FDA (and similar organizations in other countries).

Changing your mind in response to new information becoming available isn't hypocrisy. It's basic intelligence.

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under normal circumstances the fda wouldn't have approved any vaccine this fast, and the companies not being held liable if anything goes wrong is another bad sign
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

under normal circumstances the fda wouldn't have approved any vaccine this fast,

While true, that's largely because it usually takes a couple years to find enough funding and trial participants to meet their standards, not because the trials actually take that long. Here, you've got plenty of funding and participants available to speed things along, plus pretty much any vaccine candidate gets to jump straight to the front of the line once they submit their trial data for review (as opposed to having to wait through every other drug in the queue to be processed). Cutting out the red tape speeds things along considerably more than most people realize.

As I've personally told you many times, the data is available if you want to see for yourself whether or not they've met the FDA's standards. Your skepticism is perfectly reasonable, but if you're not going to do any actual research to satisfy it, you need to stop pretending that it's anything more intellectually justified than a vague sense of unease. If you want to ask questions, look for answers.

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adjl posted...

It is a relatively bipartisan brand of idiocy. Over the past year, the partisan nature of the Covid pandemic (which is goddamn pathetic) has meant that vaccine hesitancy and anti-vaxx sentiments have shifted to be more of a right-wing thing, but I'd expect that to shift back to being fairly neutral once Covid has passed.

Pretty much this. The best thing for the virus was Trump being president in an election year. Not because of anything he did or didn't do but because it meant that any action taken regarding it was doomed to become politically charged. It was inevitable that one party would claim the vaccine was the worst thing ever and the other would rush to embrace it.

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

under normal circumstances the fda wouldn't have approved any vaccine this fast, and the companies not being held liable if anything goes wrong is another bad sign

yeah but the only reason they take so long is because of all the red tape on vaccines, not because it wasnt tested enough lol

they rushed it and didnt do enough research!!!! -guys who have zero medical expertise and have done zero research

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

they rushed it and didnt do enough research!!!! -guys who have zero medical expertise and have done zero research

No, the guys with zero medical expertise and zero research generally refrain from saying anything, since they recognize that they don't know or understand the situation. The guys saying that are the ones that have skimmed 5-10 Wikipedia articles on the subject and watched a youtube video and are satisfied that that's all the information they need to qualify as informed.

It's been a very good year for Dunning-Kruger.

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adjl posted...

It's mostly the same logic of refusing to trust pharmaceutical companies when they say they've adequately tested their products

Tbf pharmaceutical companies are among the least worthy of blind trust of any collaborating group of humans ever

Lokarin posted...

That's true, Bill Maher is on the left (is he?) and he's anti-vax

Oh my God it's true, he is. At least a little. Oh Bill Maher. He's afraid of vaccines and he likes to complain about woke culture. He's gotta be a conservative's favorite liberal. He seems more like a libertarian than anything.

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OhhhJa posted...

Tbf pharmaceutical companies are among the least worthy of blind trust of any collaborating group of humans ever

Is very true.

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Bill Maher is a neo-lib aka just another Conservative capitalist shill, all of which Libertarianism feeds into.

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Zareth posted...

It is both actually.

this

plenty of idiots on the far left

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