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ZannoL
05/06/21 9:44:38 AM
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.emissions than all of the developed nations combined:

https://bloom.bg/3b6EpBf
China now accounts for more greenhouse gas emissions than all of the worlds developed nations combined, according to new research from Rhodium Group.

Chinas emissions of six heat-trapping gases, including carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide, rose to 14.09 billion tons of CO2 equivalent in 2019, edging out the total of Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development members by about 30 million tons, according to the New York-based climate research group.

The massive scale of Chinas emissions highlights the importance of President Xi Jinpings drive to peak carbon emissions before 2030 and reach net-zero by 2060. China accounted for 27% of global emissions. The U.S., the second biggest emitter, contributed 11% while India for the first time surpassed the European Union with about 6.6% of the global total.




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pogo_rabid
05/06/21 9:46:14 AM
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And no one will do anything about it because the moment you criticize china, you're suddenly criticizing chinese people somehow, and no politician wants to get into that can of worms.

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polopili
05/06/21 9:56:42 AM
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China is still pretty low when it comes to greenhouse gas emission per capita. We also have a longer history of greenhouse gas emission than they do.
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uwnim
05/06/21 10:00:07 AM
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polopili posted...
China is still pretty low when it comes to greenhouse gas emission per capita. We also have a longer history of greenhouse gas emission than they do.
They have more than 4 times as many people as the 3rd most populous country. A lot of things are going to look low on a per capita basis.

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pogo_rabid
05/06/21 10:01:11 AM
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polopili posted...
China is still pretty low when it comes to greenhouse gas emission per capita. We also have a longer history of greenhouse gas emission than they do.
Tagged as a tankie.

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zhenghan
05/06/21 10:05:15 AM
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china is actually on track to phasing out gas vehicles by making it really hard to get a license plate for a vehicle that uses gas. also smog conditions are vastly improved the last time i went there. you can check the AQI (air quality indicator) of any place in china actually, i'd be suprised if it is not 3 times better than india overall. last time i checked India's AQI is downright horrible.

edit: i'll take that back. just checked, china's AQI is indeed terrible atm. but some places are decent for example shanghai:
https://aqicn.org/city/shanghai/

89 is decent, although not <50.

something extremely wrong is happening in beijing though, it's showing 999
https://aqicn.org/city/beijing/

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pogo_rabid
05/06/21 10:09:05 AM
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zhenghan posted...
china is actually on track to phasing out gas vehicles by making it really hard to get a license plate for a vehicle that uses gas. also smog conditions are vastly improved the last time i went there. you can check the AQI (air quality indicator) of any place in china actually, i'd be suprised if it is not 3 times better than india overall. last time i checked India's AQI is downright horrible.

Until it happens, and is actually enforced on a local level outside of 1st tier cities, i'll believe it when I see it. Many 2nd and 3rd tier cities only enforce this kind of stuff (like motorcycle and moped bans) when officials come to inspect. That's when you see the cops actually making sweeps of the city to spruce it up so the local leadership can safe face.

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polopili
05/06/21 10:15:36 AM
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uwnim posted...
They have more than 4 times as many people as the 3rd most populous country. A lot of things are going to look low on a per capita basis.

It's still the right way to interpret the data. I know it's cool to blame others for environmental problems, but the bottom line is that we are performing really badly at this and the Paris Agreement is going to be a total failure.
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Questionmarktarius
05/06/21 10:24:59 AM
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Also there's a large chunk of rocket expected to crash land somewhere this weekend.
https://aerospace.org/reentries/cz-5b-rocket-body-id-48275
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philsov
05/06/21 10:27:27 AM
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polopili posted...
China is still pretty low when it comes to greenhouse gas emission per capita. We also have a longer history of greenhouse gas emission than they do.


And they have plans to reduce carbon emissions in the medium future. Meanwhile, the US, uh, props up coal?
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ElatedVenusaur
05/06/21 10:35:24 AM
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Yeah, the US would find it a lot easier to criticize China if we were actually taking serious, concrete steps to reduce our own greenhouse gas emissions and avert the coming climate apocalypse.
It's like everyone has a flamethrower and we're mad that China hasn't turned theirs off while we're blasting away.

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Questionmarktarius
05/06/21 10:41:38 AM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
Yeah, the US would find it a lot easier to criticize China if we were actually taking serious, concrete steps to reduce our own greenhouse gas emissions and avert the coming climate apocalypse.
It's essentially nuclear de-escalation all over again. Everyone's convinced that everyone else is "cheating" somehow.
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Antifar
05/06/21 10:42:30 AM
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uwnim posted...
They have more than 4 times as many people as the 3rd most populous country. A lot of things are going to look low on a per capita basis.
But that also means a lot of things will look high on an absolute basis.

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R_Jackal
05/06/21 10:50:59 AM
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If we're being absolutely honest here, phasing out gas vehicles likely won't happen for anyone but the wealthy and the poor/rural folk won't matter or get ignored. Simply because that's more or less impossible to enforce.

Also governments like to blame people for the emissions but if we're being honest, households driving less and using higher efficiency things in their house isn't gonna do much of anything to help our planet while production facilities and the like are vomiting out gases in quantities that make residential advancements moot.
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butthole666
05/06/21 10:54:13 AM
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Both countries can be extremely bad at once guys

tankies who ride for china are so.... concerning

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ElatedVenusaur
05/06/21 10:58:29 AM
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R_Jackal posted...
If we're being absolutely honest here, phasing out gas vehicles likely won't happen for anyone but the wealthy and the poor/rural folk won't matter or get ignored. Simply because that's more or less impossible to enforce.

Also governments like to blame people for the emissions but if we're being honest, households driving less and using higher efficiency things in their house isn't gonna do much of anything to help our planet while production facilities and the like are vomiting out gases in quantities that make residential advancements moot.
Yeah, IIRC, the whole "personal carbon footprint" BS was cooked up by BP to deflect from the actual problem: that industry and mass use of fossil fuels are far and away the primary drivers of climate change(and just pollution in general).
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adamko
05/06/21 10:58:44 AM
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china gate
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fohstick
05/06/21 10:59:47 AM
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literally fake news
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Dakimakura
05/06/21 11:00:58 AM
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Meanwhile cryptocurrency rages on to the planets demise.


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Questionmarktarius
05/06/21 11:02:03 AM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
Yeah, IIRC, the whole "personal carbon footprint" BS was cooked up by BP to deflect from the actual problem: that industry and mass use of fossil fuels are far and away the primary drivers of climate change(and just pollution in general).
They're not Captain Planet villains burning endangered animals for the lulz.
Industry exists to fill a demand. Stop wanting things that need made in factories, and the problem goes away.

Of course, this will literally become "why we can't have nice things", unless energy and materials demands are met via some other means, probably nuclear and fiber-based materials made of bamboo and hemp.
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R_Jackal
05/06/21 11:02:48 AM
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Dakimakura posted...
Meanwhile cryptocurrency rages on to the planets demise.
While crypto is bad it's honestly not that big an issue yet. It's more dangerous to power grids right now.

We still have way bigger things to tackle, and I'm speaking as someone who dislikes crypto.
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Dakimakura
05/06/21 11:04:10 AM
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R_Jackal posted...
While crypto is bad it's honestly not that big an issue yet. It's more dangerous to power grids right now.

We still have way bigger things to tackle, and I'm speaking as someone who dislikes crypto.

It uses an absurd amount of power for no reason and strips the earth of it's precious resources that are not renewable. It has to end now.

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polopili
05/06/21 11:19:10 AM
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R_Jackal posted...
If we're being absolutely honest here, phasing out gas vehicles likely won't happen for anyone but the wealthy and the poor/rural folk won't matter or get ignored. Simply because that's more or less impossible to enforce.

Also governments like to blame people for the emissions but if we're being honest, households driving less and using higher efficiency things in their house isn't gonna do much of anything to help our planet while production facilities and the like are vomiting out gases in quantities that make residential advancements moot.

Industry's goal is still to provide goods that will be used by regular people. There might be a whole bunch transformation steps between what comes out of an an iron mine and the end product of an F-150 truck, but in the end the iron mine is still part of the industry that produces consumer goods. Greenhouse gas emission goes much further than just the electricty/gas bill.

It's part of the reason why it's not productive to compare individual countries performance in greenhouse gas. What part of China's CO2 was used to make goods that were shipped to other countries? Should we blame the country that produced them or ones who ordered them?
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uwnim
05/06/21 1:17:42 PM
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polopili posted...
It's still the right way to interpret the data. I know it's cool to blame others for environmental problems, but the bottom line is that we are performing really badly at this and the Paris Agreement is going to be a total failure.
I disagree. We dont care about how many units of green house has emissions exist per person, we care about the total. It is extremely difficult if not impossible for people to reduce their own contributions by researching which product is better/worse for literally everything so a top down approach is more effective and from that perspective net totals are what matters.
Questionmarktarius posted...
unless energy and materials demands are met via some other means, probably nuclear
At least in the US, a big obstacle to that is our regulatory system that exists primarily to make nuclear more expensive.

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R_Jackal
05/06/21 3:55:06 PM
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polopili posted...
Industry's goal is still to provide goods that will be used by regular people. There might be a whole bunch transformation steps between what comes out of an an iron mine and the end product of an F-150 truck, but in the end the iron mine is still part of the industry that produces consumer goods. Greenhouse gas emission goes much further than just the electricty/gas bill.

It's part of the reason why it's not productive to compare individual countries performance in greenhouse gas. What part of China's CO2 was used to make goods that were shipped to other countries? Should we blame the country that produced them or ones who ordered them?
The one that produced them. As said, people require goods because... Hell, we're not all going to be farming blacksmith engineer architects by trade. And as mentioned, environmental concerns aren't new, and a lot of them started noticing it and requesting change in the mid 80s. They just favor the cheapest way to do it, and I can understand that... But now we're at a point where we have to question why the fuck haven't they done more than the bare minimum in almost half a century? Wouldn't it have been easier to implement these things and research then over that time as opposed to getting to the proverbial wire?

When is the point we stop blaming the average Joe for needing these things to continue on with every day life as opposed to the countries and corporations opting to destroy everything on their path for the bottom line, including our future?
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Broseph_Stalin
05/06/21 4:03:40 PM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
Yeah, the US would find it a lot easier to criticize China if we were actually taking serious, concrete steps to reduce our own greenhouse gas emissions and avert the coming climate apocalypse.

CO2 emissions in the US have been falling for a decade now.

Have you ever been right about something?

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Doe
05/06/21 4:06:02 PM
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The gasses come from the factories we buy our cheap phones and plastic goods from.

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AngelsNAirwav3s
05/06/21 4:08:30 PM
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philsov posted...
And they have plans to reduce carbon emissions in the medium future. Meanwhile, the US, uh, props up coal?

China built 3x as many coal power plants in 2020 as the rest of the world combined.

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Perascamin
05/06/21 4:10:02 PM
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Let's just nuke Beijing and then liberate Hong Kong

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Omnislasher
05/06/21 4:13:58 PM
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making and mining things for us
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Collat
05/06/21 4:15:59 PM
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zhenghan posted...
china is actually on track to phasing out gas vehicles by making it really hard to get a license plate for a vehicle that uses gas.
Doesn't mean shit as long as they are burning coal for power. All those vehicles are still running on fossil fuels.

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Broseph_Stalin
05/06/21 4:17:52 PM
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philsov posted...
And they have plans to reduce carbon emissions in the medium future. Meanwhile, the US, uh, props up coal?

what world do you people live in seriously

Co2 emissions in China are skyrocketing and they build coal plants like we do McDonalds.

Co2 emissions in the US are at the lowest levels in 30 years and coal consumption is at a 70 year low.

I hate tankies so much.

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FortuneCookie
05/06/21 4:50:48 PM
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Is this how we get right-wingers to start caring about the environment? Blame China for everything?


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