Board 8 > Finally playing Edgeworth 2 (spoilers)

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LeonhartFour
06/09/21 11:36:11 PM
#152:


Yeah, there are some improvements they could make. Some of the later case names feel lazy and uninspired, but I don't feel like I've been robbed of the genuine experience when I play it and that's all I can ask for.

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Paratroopa1
06/09/21 11:38:31 PM
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The fan translation of AAI2 is pretty much canon to me at this point as far as I care, it's good enough to deserve that
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LeonhartFour
06/09/21 11:44:24 PM
#154:


Yeah, I'd only ever want an "official" translation just so the game could be more widely available in English, but I don't think it "needs" one because there's something wrong with the fanmade one.

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_SecretSquirrel
06/10/21 4:35:14 AM
#155:


I will say, the "patrol" pun name in AAI2 was way better than the same pun done in AA6.

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Leonhart4
06/10/21 8:13:24 AM
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_SecretSquirrel posted...
I will say, the "patrol" pun name in AAI2 was way better than the same pun done in AA6.

Get ready, it comes back in DGS for some reason (unless they change the pun to something else in the official localization)

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06/10/21 12:07:44 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feMwFuihX2o

TW: I wanna be a cowboy baby

Not-Cody finally shows himself, a milk-drinking kid with horns and a spotted hoodie. Lets call him "Cowdy." Just kidding, his actual name is John Marsh, which is a boring, normal name. Like, real actors have more interesting names than this. For example: Finn Wolfhard. How is he a real person and not a Star Wars bounty hunter or Ace Attorney witness?

John Marsh is a little shit, as expected, so Edgeworth has Kay do the heavy lifting, following the tried and true AA tradition of getting your female assistant to coax out information from little boys. Things are going well, until Kay calls him an elementary schooler, when hes actually a middle schooler. He's sensitive about that apparently, but maybe you should be more sensitive about the fact that you are a cow-person. John's got a weird grudge against the President, which he doesn't go into much detail about, except to say that Di-Jun was going to have a cameo in the film. It's kind of like when DJT was in Home Alone 2. The investigation ends with John giving us a copy of a photo with him, Penny, and somebody in a Moozilla costume.

Lang (who had left previously) returns with the Presidents inept body guards and some police officers. He also has a photo (well security footage, but same difference). Its of Judge Courtney and the President getting off an elevator together! They were lovers, obviously. After waiting the whole game, we finally get a Not so Fast from Lang one of my favorite voice clips in the series. A little birdie told him that Edgeworths no longer a prosecutor. Edgeworth tells him that just because hes not a prosecutor doesnt mean hes not still horny for the truth. Lang, also horny for the truth, agrees to some good old fashioned AAI debating.

Langs footage shows Courtney and the Pres hanging out two nights ago (so the night before the auction/Kays situation? - I'm getting a bit confused by the timeline). He asserts she pushed him off the roof then, which is a dumb argument for literally hundreds of reasons. But he didnt go through the evidence storeroom either, according to Lotta. So how did his corpse get here? I'm sure it involves some sort of insane rube goldberg device where they taped his body to a Moozilla head or something.

Meanwhile, Penny Nichols claims to have seen John Marsh the night before at the scene of the crime with Gourdy. Yes that Gourdy. I'm just going to assume it was a crane or something. We decide to question John about it, but while Lang and Edgeworth were talking he got bored and went home, apparently. We run into Gumshoe in front of the Grand Tower, and then HE runs away, presumbably ashamed that he cant help Edgeworth more.

Everyone splits up. Lang goes to look for John, Lotta goes... somewhere, I forget, and Edgeworth and Kay meet one of Langs former agents, who explains what happened to Lang he took responsibility for the Yatagarasu incident, where Shih Na was revealed to be Calisto Yew, who was revealed to be a baddie. He lost his team for this.

Next: Back to the courtroom

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Paratroopa1
06/10/21 5:10:44 PM
#158:


John Marsh is probably the worst name in the translation. "Marsh" is a pretty literal translation, but I think any meaning behind it was totally lost.
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LeonhartFour
06/10/21 5:19:59 PM
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SeabassDebeste
06/10/21 5:23:20 PM
#160:


yeah, nothing cool out of that name,sadly
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colliding
06/10/21 7:04:25 PM
#161:


I actually don't mind a normal / non-pun name, even if the translation is poor. But "John Marsh" doesn't fit 1) a kid or 2) an actor, which is what this character ostensibly is. If you give me Tyrell Badd's picture and tell me his name is John Marsh, I'm totally cool with that.

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Leonhart4
06/10/21 7:09:42 PM
#162:


Yeah, there's nothing wrong with a normal name. It just doesn't fit the character at all.

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colliding
06/11/21 1:51:39 PM
#163:


More of the Grand Turnabout! Note: This might be the last update for a while, as I might take a break for E3 (also this case is strangely boring).

The case abruptly shifts to the courtroom, where Judge Courtney is presiding over Patricia Roland's case, with Franzy standing in for Sebastian and Ray representing the defense. Yo, Ray, why are you representing someone clearly guilty? Doesn't that go against the defense attorney code or whatever? Even more evidence that you're secretly the mastermind of the whole thing.

As the trial is getting underway, Franziska notices that the evidence has disappeared. Just when you think the writers are going to start making Franziska appear competent, they pull this B.S. That being said, it's technically Sebastians fault. Despite being present when Roland was caught, Courtney claims impartiality, and because the prosecution has no evidence, she is ready to declare Roland not guilty. Franzy and Ray mutually agree to a recess before this can happen.

Edgeworth and Kay are hanging out in the lobby and UGH. Simon and Regina are also here. I hate Simon so much. I'm just going to ignore them. This whole thing feels like a weird diversion from the murdered president/Gourdy/Moozilla situation, but I suppose this is one way to show theyre all connected. I just think the two cases could've been weaved together in a more natural way rather than cramming them together like this. For example, we could've played as Franziska and explored what happened to the evidence/Sebastian, while Edgeworth focused on the movie set murder. Oh well. Us AA fans have gotta take what we can get.

Before Edgeworth and Kay can leave to go find Sebastian and ask him about the missing evidence, Courtney appears. And now it's time for the big Courtney reveal. She won't say what she was doing with the dead prez, so we challenge her to a logic chess. Long story short: she's John's mom. John Marsh has been kidnapped and she's being pressed for a not guilty verdict for Roland. I always knew there was something "motherly" about her design (and no, I'm not talking about her... um... never mind).

I don't particularly like this reveal, as I kind of liked Courtney's character already. She seemed like a strong character: capable, intelligent, and devoted. The 180 degree turn here into weak and flustered mother is a bit disappointing. I'm not saying mothers can't be strong/intelligent etc., nor am I saying strong female characters can't also be worried about their children. I'm just saying there's a way to write this character without turning her into a helpless victim. Side note: a quick look in the character profiles reveals John is 13 and Courtney is 26. This is either a really sad story or a really gross story (probably both)! Lets just pretend Courtney is 30, okay Japan?

Courtney agrees to try and delay the trial for a while, holding off on the forced acquittal, while we search for evidence. Gee, where have we heard this plot point before? Edgeworth agrees to become Kay's assistant, as they go on a hunt for either evidence or a be-horned boy.

Next: Another cameo from a beloved Ace Attorney fan favorite!

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Leonhart4
06/11/21 1:55:33 PM
#164:


Yeah, the first half of E2-5 drags big time, which is a problem considering this is the second or third longest case in the series. The trial in particular feels interminable and poorly written.

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SeabassDebeste
06/11/21 1:59:32 PM
#165:


i didn't find it to drag - but i also played it in longer stretches, so i'd get more action on each segment
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Leonhart4
06/11/21 2:06:13 PM
#166:


I played in big chunks when I was timing the cases, and if anything, that makes it more obvious how bloated it is!

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colliding
06/14/21 11:21:28 AM
#167:


y'all hyped for that capcom presentation today? I wonder if they're going to announce AA7 today or tomorrow in the nintendo direct

if this actually happens I'll rename two of the characters in case 5 after leon and seabass, to reward them for being loyal readers

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SeabassDebeste
06/14/21 11:23:34 AM
#168:


well hopefully you don't rename blaise after me
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swirIdude
06/14/21 11:24:09 AM
#169:


Are we renaming everyone now? I claim Simon!

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Leonhart4
06/14/21 11:32:39 AM
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colliding
06/14/21 11:48:14 AM
#171:


Ok, we got Seablaise, Swirlmon, and Leonworth. Y'all must have some faith in that Capcom leak.

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Leonhart4
06/14/21 11:59:58 AM
#172:


I don't know if they'll announce it at E3. I feel like big AA news usually drops at TGS.

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LeonhartFour
06/14/21 6:06:55 PM
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colliding
06/14/21 6:18:05 PM
#174:


that ain't gonna cut it for renaming rights. your only hope is that they saved the AA7 announcement for Nintendo tomorrow.

I'll also do it if they put an AA character in Smash (mii costumes don't count).

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MyMainAccount
06/15/21 12:37:51 AM
#175:


What do you mean by renaming? You're going to call the characters something other than their in game names for the rest of the playthrough topic? That sounds kind of confusing.

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colliding
06/16/21 3:32:38 PM
#176:


MyMainAccount posted...
What do you mean by renaming? You're going to call the characters something other than their in game names for the rest of the playthrough topic? That sounds kind of confusing.

It probably would have been, but lucky for us, Capcom disappoints yet again. We can just keep our fingers crossed for an AA7 announcement at TGS.

I re-read this topic to help me remember what happened, since it's been about a week since I played. We go to the Grand Tower, looking for clues about Sebastian and/or John Marsh. Edgeworth is now assistant to the Great Thief, and Kay tries to get him to sing the Yatagarasu theme song with her: he refuses, ever the stick in the mud. Edgeworth is a serious man who doesn't have time for childish escapades, except for the childish escapade standing right over there: Will Powers, everyone's favorite Steel Samurai actor.

Will Powers has a surprising amount of fan art; I briefly decided about including a picture of him and Edgeworth to open this post, but I think it violates the Gamefaqs terms of decency (not to mention humanity's). Powers has moved on from his Steel Samurai days and is now playing the Mighty Moozilla - dude has got some serious range. Powers doesn't know where John is, but we do find a videotape of him doing some lightsaber tricks when he thinks no one is looking.

Its a veritable "Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney" reunion now, as we are joined Lotta and her apprentice Nicole. Im half surprised we havent seen the Daisy or the bellboy from 1-2 show up yet. Nicole fills us in on her life since the first case: the police let Nicole go, even though she was part of some cockamamie plan to hold a laser pointer at the presidents forehead. Nicole claims to have seen John get taken away by two men in black. Presumably they saw his horns and mistook him for an alien.

We convince the taxi driver who earlier drove the men in black away to take us to their location: Blaise Debestes house! We don't actually get to explore a new area, which is kind of a bummer. But we do get to examine his garage. Blaise is into biking/motorcycles: he owns a bad ass bike and bad ass bike gloves with skulls and DEATH on the knuckles. Compared to Desiree though he just comes across as a poseur. We hear a knocking from inside the garage somewhere, and we find Sebastian bound and gagged! Honestly its for the best.

Sebastian is all messed up emotionally. As I always say, the best cure for someone whos gone through a terrible traumatic event is for someone much smarter than them to force info out of them through psychoanalytic interrogation. Logic chess time! I kind of want to say Youre a failure as a person right out the gate, but even I'm not that mean. It turns out that the kidnappers actually kidnapped Sebastian by mistake instead of John Marsh, because Sebastian claimed to know Courtney. This seems off considering Sebastian, despite his actions and words, is close to a grown adult in appearance, but whatever. Sebastian is upset, because he gave the evidence in the Roland case to Blaise, so who knows where that is now. Edgeworth gives Sebastian a long pep-talk and convinces him to be a better prosecutor than his dad. Its a solid mix of touching and clich. At the end of it, Sebastian runs away again (it is his trademarked special move, after all).

Next: Investigating the other kidnapping

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Leonhart4
06/16/21 3:37:15 PM
#177:


For the record, picking "You're a failure as a person" is an instant lose.

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swirIdude
06/17/21 12:56:04 PM
#178:


Leonhart4 posted...
For the record, picking "You're a failure as a person" is an instant lose.

Honesty is not always the best policy!

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