Current Events > American factories are desperate for workers. It's a $1 trillion problem....

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dolomedes posted...

i'm poor and i'll always be poor. when i have money, i become real generous to my friends XD

That's your prerogative to do so, yes.

you mean building things like a monkey doing work that a 14 year old could do doesn't pay very well but designing overarching systems and creating new products and overseeing organizations pays better WHAT THE FUCK

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Questionmarktarius posted...

Just the numbers if he did. I seriously doubt it would have been a $5000 check anyway.

K. But why would/should he? Like I said, if anything, it would have an adverse affect on productivity and morale. He does that and he basically gets them thinking "hey...this guy really does just have thousands of dollars to throw around for absolutely no reason! Maybe if we complain enough he'll do it again!"

I don't recall what the business was, but 5ish years ago some idiot tried running a business the way the kiddos on CE want: paid employees WAY more than the work was worth, chill with rules and titles, basically how a child would run a business. Lo and behold, profits sucked, employees walked all over him, and the business went under. It was a big story for a time

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PoundGarden posted...

It's really sad (yet probably accurate) you think people aren't smart enough to know:

1) location (Kentucky, there ya go) and cost of living matter

2) you clearly cherry picked the lower wage listings. How many $15-$20/hr jobs did you ignore to compile your bucket of picturesque cherries?

Just put in zip code 41144 and look at the wages. Costco and Walmart pay $12.50 to start. No factory around here competes with that. The call centers for Amazon and AT&T pay $12.50 an hour.

The factories don't even try to compete. They know that people with little education and little social skills will take the jobs No matter what, so they pay minimum wage, or as close as they can get.

Factories in your area may be great, around here they are not. They are old, outdated, dangerous, and underpaid.

Derp we havnt tried paying more and were all out of ideas! Well bitch about it!

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Snakebone99 posted...

They know that people with little education and little social skills will take the jobs No matter what

...and?

Go work at walmart or AT&T then.

Lairen posted...

Derp we havnt tried paying more and were all out of ideas! Well bitch about it!

You guys gotta stop acting like this is a supply and demand thing. This is a people not working because they get free money in the mail thing.

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Yeah these factories need to get their heads out of their asses and start paying something good with good benefits for production because the price of lumber and metal is absolutely ridiculous right now (because no production is happening) like it would cost $3500 to build a 20x10 deck that's how high lumber is.


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Snakebone99 posted...

Just pit in zip code 41144 and look at the wages. Costco and Walmart pay $12.50 to start. No factory around here competes with that. The call centers for Amazon and AT&T pay $12.50 an hour.

The factories don't even try to compete. They know that people with little education and little social skills will take the jobs No matter what, so they pay minimum wage, or as close as they can get.

Factories in your area may be great, around here they are not. They are old, outdated, dangerous, and underpaid.

Whats the cost of living like? I just moved from MN and work at a shitty factory (Amazon) started at about $14-$15, most were $18 and up. Higher cost of living.
Just moved to Iowa and the pay is about the same, some factories start as low as $11 but the cost of living is dirt cheap.

Costco i have heard nothing but good things about, can't comment on them much. Walmart and most other retailers though, they love to advertise attractive hourly wages but don't tell people they aren't getting 40 hrs/wk. Hell, $20 an hour does me no good if I'm only getting 15-20 hrs/wk

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Squall28 posted...

You guys gotta stop acting like this is a supply and demand thing. This is a people not working because they get free money in the mail thing.

If they paid well this wouldnt be a problem. Years of companies with their heads up their ass saying if you dont like it quit. Well they quit. Fuck your company.

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Lairen posted...

If they paid well this wouldnt be a problem. Years of companies with their heads up their ass saying if you dont like it quit. Well they quit. Fuck your company.

lol

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Questionmarktarius posted...

...and?

Go work at walmart or AT&T then.

I do work at Amazon, I have since they built the building over 10 years ago. The pay is almost double, and I get to sit down in with air conditioning in the summer and heat in the winter. I get to enjoy myself while I work, I'm not a voiceless mindless cog in a machine.

Why would anyone choose a factory if they have any other options? That's the topic here. It's just a bad decision to take a factory job over something like The Amazon call center, or even Walmart.

dolomedes posted...

oh okay so you put words into everyone's mouth

Sure why not. You're clearly not worth serious engagement so believe what you want. Its my fault really for assuming there was something there worth my time and an adult discussion to be had. Oops. Again, thats on me, not you, should've known better. Now toddle off

Squall28 posted...

You guys gotta stop acting like this is a supply and demand thing. This is a people not working because they get free money in the mail thing.

Also, this.

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Squall28 posted...

You guys gotta stop acting like this is a supply and demand thing. This is a people not working because they get free money in the mail thing.

That is a supply/demand thing.
The supply is low, because it's elsewhere. It's a de facto wage floor, without being a de jure one.

It's almost as if people don't like working for low wages under shitty conditions

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Squall28 posted...

You guys gotta stop acting like this is a supply and demand thing. This is a people not working because they get free money in the mail thing.

You're a shitty ass employer if unemployment is more lucrative than working for you.

It's crazy how many people are jealous of the poor and unemployed. I can't imagine being so out of touch and privileged.

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dolomedes posted...

yes daddy

sorry to waste your time daddy

So mature. I'm honestly shocked, just shocked you're as entitled as you are. If only you could find a job as a professional sniveler

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Snakebone99 posted...

Why would anyone choose a factory if they have any other options? That's the topic here.

This is the part we're not supposed to mention.
If Walmart or AT&T doesn't want to hire you, then your labor isn't worth what they're paying.

Target starts at $15 and its extremely safe and right around the corner. These jobs need to start at least at $20 but probably in the $25-$30 range.

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PoundGarden is lying is then accuses others of saying false info

Target hires at $16 and top out at $25 almost outpaying the industry average for a factory job. Atleast Target you can move up in a factory it's hard to move and way more labor intesive, like people said they track your tasks and they track your quality. No one wants to be micromanaged by an algorithm

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

It's almost as if people don't like working for low wages under shitty conditions

people should work on their skills because if you don't have any you're going to get paid shittier and treated shittier than people who do have skills

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PoundGarden posted...

Whats the cost of living like? I just moved from MN and work at a shitty factory (Amazon) started at about $14-$15, most were $18 and up. Higher cost of living.
Just moved to Iowa and the pay is about the same, some factories start as low as $11 but the cost of living is dirt cheap.

Costco i have heard nothing but good things about, can't comment on them much. Walmart and most other retailers though, they love to advertise attractive hourly wages but don't tell people they aren't getting 40 hrs/wk. Hell, $20 an hour does me no good if I'm only getting 15-20 hrs/wk

Cost of living is super cheap compared to most places, but $8.00 an hour, $320 a week, still isn't going to cut it. So hard working factories paying that low is ridiculous, while a pizza delivery boy can make $500 a week in cash for just driving around.

The factories are never going to get enough employees unless they compete. If I can make the same money with not even half the work, why wouldn't I? It just leaves me with more energy to do other things.

The Trent posted...

people should work on their skills because if you don't have any you're going to get paid shittier and treated shittier than people who do have skills

Only because we allow that injustice to happen.

"Shitty" doesn't need to be the floor.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Only because we allow that injustice to happen.
"Shitty" doesn't need to be the floor.

"injustice" of being paid poorly for doing skill-less labor?
shittier, not shitty
try having a factory job in india and let's talk shitty

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I like when a shitty company is going under they still blame employees. Their company can just die out then.

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ncsonic posted...

PoundGarden is lying is then accuses others of saying false info

Target hires at $16 and top out at $25 almost outpaying the industry average for a factory job. Atleast Target you can move up in a factory it's hard to move and way more labor intesive, like people said they track your tasks and they track your quality. No one wants to be micromanaged by an algorithm

Nope. The people being hired at $15 for Target are getting barely part time hours. Are you familiar with the term 'paper tiger'?

Also, Target and many other bo retailers have a ceiling for advancement if you do not have a degree. You can only move up so high without that piece of paper. I left my job at Walgreens when I was training someone who'd never worked retail for an assistant Mgr job that I was passed on solely because I did not have a business degree. Theyll let you do management work,sure, but they won't give you the title or pay without a degree. And if you have that, why the fuck would you waste it on retail?

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dolomedes posted...

before that factory job was in india, it was in north carolina.

so it got shittier

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PoundGarden posted...

Nope. The people being hired at $15 for Target are getting barely part time hours. Are you familiar with the term 'paper tiger'?

Also, Target and many other bo retailers have a ceiling for advancement if you do not have a degree. You can only move up so high without that piece of paper. I left my job at Walgreens when I was training someone who'd never worked retail for an assistant Mgr job that I was passed on solely because I did not have a business degree. Theyll let you do management work,sure, but they won't give you the title or pay without a degree. And if you have that, why the fuck would you waste it on retail?

Getting hours at Target is easy and if you dont get hours then you suck, in a packed department and wont cross train.

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Snakebone99 posted...

Cost of living is super cheap compared to most places, but $8.00 an hour, $320 a week, still isn't going to cut it. So hard working factories paying that low is ridiculous, while a pizza delivery boy can make $500 a week in cash for just driving around.

The factories are never going to get enough employees unless they compete. If I can make the same money with not even half the work, why wouldn't I? It just leaves me with more energy to do other things.

I won't deny some factories pay shit wages. But I am saying most do pay pretty well for zero skill entry level labor. Dude, you and I both know you had to have skipped several decent factory jobs while picking those $9-$12/hr cherries you submitted as "evidence". Come on.

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dolomedes posted...

well yeah that's why it left the country. less regulation, easier-to-exploit workforce. busting unions wasn't good enough.

makes sense to me

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Lairen posted...

Getting hours at Target is easy and if you dont get hours then you suck, in a packed department and wont cross train.

Lol, sure, ok. Guess the thousands of Target employees outraged at their hours being cut after being given a raise or the ones hired at $15 and getting 8-20 hours are just lying, right? BRB, telling my friends who've been scammed by Target's bait and switch hiring practice that they're liars.
This isn't even anything new lol.

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The Trent posted...

"injustice" of being paid poorly for doing skill-less labor?
shittier, not shitty
try having a factory job in india and let's talk shitty

Yeah and voter suppression in Georgia is OK because at least Americans have the right to vote.

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PoundGarden posted...

I won't deny some factories pay shit wages. But I am saying most do pay pretty well for zero skill entry level labor. Dude, you and I both know you had to have skipped several decent factory jobs while picking those $9-$12/hr cherries you submitted as "evidence". Come on.

Man, $9 an hour would be a decent starting wage around here. Most jobs are $7.25 and don't go up much. Just recently since Costco, Amazon, and Walmart started paying higher, did everyone else start paying higher. All it took was those 3 places. When a job opens up, literally thousands of people will apply for one position, because everything else is shit.

$7.25 an hour, think about that. That's not just a few high school jobs, that's most jobs around here. There are only about 6 factories that you would want to drive to work for. One Walmart, one Costco, one Amazon and the rest is $7.25 or specialists like doctors.

So no, $9.00 isn't one of the shit tier jobs actually. You may even need a degree to make $9.00 an hour around here.

General labor is a skillet because I get tired as fuck so quickly

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dolomedes posted...

~~ jUsT mOvE aWaY ~~

I'm fine, I got in Amazon on day one. Back before anyone realized what the world would change into.

Yeah, I agree with you though. If you have the means to get out of shit areas like I'm in, then do it. Places like this are a black hole

my bro has been a machine operator for 2 years, is the best worker at his place, and has only gotten a .50 cent raise over that time period. he makes ~32k in california. not enough for the cost of living

companies don't care how hard you work

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Snakebone99 posted...

Man, $9 an hour would be a decent starting wage around here. Most jobs are $7.25 and don't go up much. Just recently since Costco, Amazon, and Walmart started paying higher, did everyone else start paying higher. All it took was those 3 places. When a job opens up, literally thousands of people will apply for one position, because everything else is shit.

$7.25 an hour, think about that. That's not just a few high school jobs, that's most jobs around here. There are only about 6 factories that you would want to drive to work for. One Walmart, one Costco, one Amazon and the rest is $7.25 or specialists like doctors.

So no, $9.00 isn't one of the shit tier jobs actually. You may even need a degree to make $9.00 an hour around here.

That's crazy. I mean, some areas it's just rough all around I guess, don't know what to say. I'm not saying you're wrong or trying to be unempathetic, im just trying to dispell this generalization that most factory work is bottom tier pay. The 3 states I've worked in (Alaska, Minnesota, Iowa) all paid decently for manufacturing.

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cawmaster5 posted...

my bro has been a machine operator for 2 years, is the best worker at his place, and has only gotten a .50 cent raise over that time period. he makes ~32k in california. not enough for the cost of living

companies don't care how hard you work

The old guys in the factories back in the day used to tell you not to work too hard. If you work too hard then your labor is getting undervalued. So get a raise first, then increase productivity.

The old guys would just snicker to themselves when a young person came in working really hard. It was like watching an idiot work for free to them.

cawmaster5 posted...

my bro has been a machine operator for 2 years, is the best worker at his place, and has only gotten a .50 cent raise over that time period. he makes ~32k in california. not enough for the cost of living

companies don't care how hard you work

Then he should start courting other companies. He may not be making what he wants where he's at, BUT he now has 2 years as an MO and can leverage that experience for better pay at a different company.

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Veggeta X posted...

General labor is a skillet because I get tired as fuck so quickly

you're confusing endurance and durability with skill

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PoundGarden posted...

Lol, sure, ok. Guess the thousands of Target employees outraged at their hours being cut after being given a raise or the ones hired at $15 and getting 8-20 hours are just lying, right? BRB, telling my friends who've been scammed by Target's bait and switch hiring practice that they're liars.
This isn't even anything new lol.

Yes. They suck and lie. Ive worked their 13 years. You can tell them to stop sucking.

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Lairen posted...

Yes. They suck and lie. Ive worked their 13 years. You can tell them to stop sucking.

so in 13 years you've done nothing to improve your skills?
god damn those overlords

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The Trent posted...

people should work on their skills because if you don't have any you're going to get paid shittier and treated shittier than people who do have skills

Yeah...that's what people are doing which is why nobody is working in these fucking factories lmao

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