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ZeroSignal620
04/25/21 3:19:28 PM
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Short version: It's a liberal fest

Worst Picture: Absolute Proof
Worst Director: Sia (Music)
Worst Actor: Mike Lindell (Absolute Proof)
Worst Actress: Kate Hudson (Music)
Worst Supporting Actor: Rudy Giuliani (Borat 2)
Worst Supporting Actress: Maddie Ziegler (Music)
Worst Screen Couple: Rudy Giuliani and his zipper (Borat 2)
Worst Prequel, Remake, Knockoff, or Sequel: Dolittle
Worst Screenplay: 365 Days

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Bane_Of_Despair
04/25/21 3:24:50 PM
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I'm glad Music was recognized

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LiquidOshawott
04/25/21 3:27:48 PM
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Wasnt Music also golden globe nominated

also would have been funny if Glenn Close won for both oscars and razzies

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Mr Lasastryke
04/25/21 3:30:49 PM
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LiquidOshawott posted...
Wasnt Music also golden globe nominated

yup. and kate hudson was nominated for a "best actress in a musical/comedy" golden globe.

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Bane_Of_Despair
04/25/21 3:31:05 PM
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yea for Best Musical/Comedy and Best Actress, and the Golden Globes got a lot of flack for that

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Mr Lasastryke
04/25/21 3:38:55 PM
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not sure why anyone still took the golden globes seriously after the martian won the "best musical/comedy" award tbqh.

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banananor
04/25/21 3:56:55 PM
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i kind of hate the background criticisms of music's casting, but i'd totally believe it's also bad

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Bane_Of_Despair
04/25/21 4:03:19 PM
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The background criticisms are absolutely integral to the movie as it's a movie trying to sell "look how genuine and heartfelt this portrayal of autism is." Like that's the whole point of the movie, the entire campaign was trying to parade how "good" it was for the autism community. It was coming from an ill-informed and disingenuous place from the start, and then that lead to people watching the movie and seeing just how badly informed the creators were.

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Mac Arrowny
04/25/21 5:03:44 PM
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
not sure why anyone still took the golden globes seriously after the martian won the "best musical/comedy" award tbqh.

Wait, I thought people were upset that The Martian was in that category, not that it won.
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Djungelurban
04/25/21 5:15:32 PM
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...
The background criticisms are absolutely integral to the movie as it's a movie trying to sell "look how genuine and heartfelt this portrayal of autism is." Like that's the whole point of the movie, the entire campaign was trying to parade how "good" it was for the autism community. It was coming from an ill-informed and disingenuous place from the start, and then that lead to people watching the movie and seeing just how badly informed the creators were.
As a member of the autistic spectra community, I find that critiquing a movie for casting a non-autistic actor in a non autistic role is straight up disgusting. Not the casting itself, but the critiquing.
Now, I have no idea if the portrayal of that character is any good, which judging by its reception, maybe not... But that would be an issue of acting ability and/or script, not casting.
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Mr Lasastryke
04/25/21 5:16:59 PM
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Mac Arrowny posted...
Wait, I thought people were upset that The Martian was in that category, not that it won.

that's what i meant. the fact that it was in that category was ridiculous.

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NFUN
04/25/21 5:23:06 PM
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Djungelurban posted...
As a member of the autistic spectra community, I find that critiquing a movie for casting a non-autistic actor in a non autistic role is straight up disgusting. Not the casting itself, but the critiquing.
Now, I have no idea if the portrayal of that character is any good, which judging by its reception, maybe not... But that would be an issue of acting ability and/or script, not casting.
where the hell did bane even mention casting?

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StealThisSheen
04/25/21 5:23:21 PM
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Djungelurban posted...
As a member of the autistic spectra community, I find that critiquing a movie for casting a non-autistic actor in a non autistic role is straight up disgusting. Not the casting itself, but the critiquing.
Now, I have no idea if the portrayal of that character is any good, which judging by its reception, maybe not... But that would be an issue of acting ability and/or script, not casting.

I assume you meant "non-autistic actor in an autistic role"

The point is that the movie was promoted as being empowering and a vehicle for people in the autistic community, but it casts a non-autistic actress to play an autistic role in a way that is basically based on stereotypes and with mannerisms that seem almost more on par with mocking.

It's very tone deaf to claim your film is a vehicle for a certain community and then not actually hire somebody of that community for the role. Even worse, hiring somebody with literally no experience to play the role with very little actual research.

EDIT: The film initially had scenes of restraining the character in a very dangerous way, for instance, that they only took out after backlash. They may have had good intentions, but they put like zero effort into actually approaching the subject in a good way and it became clear it was basically a vanity project for the director.

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StealThisSheen
04/25/21 5:34:53 PM
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Looking into it more, it seems the controversy wasn't just the casting itself, but how Sia responded to critics about the casting. She apparently tried to claim that she didn't use autistic actors because autistic actors "found acting stressful"(?) and she thought it was more "humane" to cast Maddie. She then got called out for it by many autistic actors saying they would have been more than happy to take part, and basically replied with "yeah but you're bad actors."

Replying to an autistic actor that suggested that they and many other performers who were on the spectrum would have been available to act in the film on short notice, Sia responded: "Maybe you're just a bad actor".

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VeryInsane
04/25/21 5:35:39 PM
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Oh man after looking at what Absolute Proof is about I'm laughing so much

I just kinda forgot what Music is about, that also... makes sense.

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redrocket
04/25/21 5:37:43 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
EDIT: The film initially had scenes of restraining the character in a very dangerous way, for instance, that they only took out after backlash.

They in fact did not actually remove that. Sia claimed she would remove it after the backlash, but never did.

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Bane_Of_Despair
04/25/21 5:39:32 PM
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Also the girl Sia did cast, Maddie Ziegler, is Sia's go to main lead in like every music video she's been doing since 2015 or so, so it sort of comes off that she just wanted to cast her weird muse for her movie and didn't care as much about the actual casting of the role

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Mr Lasastryke
04/25/21 5:39:51 PM
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yeah, sia is such a bitch lol. glad she got canceled over this.

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StealThisSheen
04/25/21 5:41:09 PM
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redrocket posted...
They in fact did not actually remove that. Sia claimed she would remove it after the backlash, but never did.

Yeah, I just noticed that. I guess she apparently later admitted that the casting was pure nepotism and she never even considered anybody other than Ziegler.

It's just a mess all around.

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Djungelurban
04/25/21 6:06:39 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
The point is that the movie was promoted as being empowering and a vehicle for people in the autistic community, but it casts a non-autistic actress to play an autistic role in a way that is basically based on stereotypes and with mannerisms that seem almost more on par with mocking.
An actors portrayal can be empowering for a group even if the actor portraying the role isn't part of that group. In fact done well I might even prefer it, since it shows the person behind the portrayal has done their due diligence and really tried to understand what life may be like if you live within that group, which would be touching.
The only people who complains about who portrays a role are people who cry about representation, and people who do that are people who that either are so insecure about their own worth that they feel they need preferential treatment, people who can't identify with anyone who specifically doesn't represent them or people who section up people into different distinct groups and live with an innate "us vs them" mentality... Or any combination of those things.

Now again, if the portrayal is bad then that isn't a good thing... But it's not worse than if any other portrayal is bad. Believe me, I know Hollywood doesn't do a particularly good job when portraying autism. My particular "quirk" is asperger's and I seen countless of things where they've used it almost like quantum physics or nanoparticles in the script (something they can throw into script to not have to explain things further). It's very clumsy... But the problem there is that the script writers are lazy and/or bad. It's not worse than any other case of dumb script writing. To be all like "it's extra bad cause it's autism" is condescending. Like autistic spectra people are weak people that need special coddling and protection. And besides, the criticism didn't happen cause the portrayal was bad, it happened as soon as casting got known. Besides, I just looked it up and it seems the actress is someone Sia personally knows, can't be too upset for someone wanting to make a movie with their friend.

Anyway, if the portrayal is bad then critique the portrayal. Whether the actor has a disability or not should be completely inconsequential, their skill at the role is all that should matter. If that's what the critique was based on I'd be completely onboard with the critique...
But as it is I feel insulted.
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StealThisSheen
04/25/21 6:16:56 PM
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Djungelurban posted...
An actors portrayal can be empowering for a group even if the actor portraying the role isn't part of that group. In fact done well I might even prefer it, since it shows the person behind the portrayal has done their due diligence and really tried to understand what life may be like if you live within that group, which would be touching.
The only people who complains about who portrays a role are people who cry about representation, and people who do that are people who that either are so insecure about their own worth that they feel they need preferential treatment, people who can't identify with anyone who specifically doesn't represent them or people who section up people into different distinct groups and live with an innate "us vs them" mentality... Or any combination of those things.

Now again, if the portrayal is bad then that isn't a good thing... But it's not worse than if any other portrayal is bad. Believe me, I know Hollywood doesn't do a particularly good job when portraying autism. My particular "quirk" is asperger's and I seen countless of things where they've used it almost like quantum physics or nanoparticles in the script (something they can throw into script to not have to explain things further). It's very clumsy... But the problem there is that the script writers are lazy and/or bad. It's not worse than any other case of dumb script writing. To be all like "it's extra bad cause it's autism" is condescending. Like autistic spectra people are weak people that need special coddling and protection. And besides, the criticism didn't happen cause the portrayal was bad, it happened as soon as casting got known. Besides, I just looked it up and it seems the actress is someone Sia personally knows, can't be too upset for someone wanting to make a movie with their friend.

Anyway, if the portrayal is bad then critique the portrayal. Whether the actor has a disability or not should be completely inconsequential, their skill at the role is all that should matter. If that's what the critique was based on I'd be completely onboard with the critique...
But as it is I feel insulted.

And all that's fair, but you've also gotta consider that other people felt insulted by how she promoted it as she did and then didn't even attempt to actually include anybody from the community whatsoever.

The issue was basically that there are many autistic actors out there struggling for work and she makes a movie that is supposed to be "empowering" for the community and basically tells autistic actors "I didn't consider you because you're bad actors."

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PerfectChaosZ
04/25/21 7:01:26 PM
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Djungelurban posted...
The only people who complains about who portrays a role are people who cry about representation, and people who do that are people who that either are so insecure about their own worth that they feel they need preferential treatment, people who can't identify with anyone who specifically doesn't represent them or people who section up people into different distinct groups and live with an innate "us vs them" mentality... Or any combination of those things.

Whoa, red flag much? I hope you learn that it doesn't matter how much you dunk on your own community, the neurotypical folks aren't going to like you any more.
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Djungelurban
04/25/21 7:06:33 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
And all that's fair, but you've also gotta consider that other people felt insulted by how she promoted it as she did and then didn't even attempt to actually include anybody from the community whatsoever.

The issue was basically that there are many autistic actors out there struggling for work and she makes a movie that is supposed to be "empowering" for the community and basically tells autistic actors "I didn't consider you because you're bad actors."
Community? What community are you talking about? Are you suggesting there's a special autism community that is very special and exclusive and only autistic people are allowed like it's this exclusive club and there's like this "No boys allowed!" styled sign on the club door, except it says "No normies!" or something like that? Now, wouldn't that just be the most discriminatory thing you've ever heard? If there are people who feel like that, then that's on them. Personally that doesn't sit right with me. If there's a community it's the acting community, and they're all a part of that. Living with autism might give people somewhat similar experiences, but definitely not enough for me to wanna differentiate myself from people who aren't autistic or asperger.
And for that matter identify myself with everyone who's autistic. I'm sure there are plenty of autistic people I would not wanna be associated with, and you really shouldn't either. And I didn't choose to be asperger and thus I have no interest of that being a defining feature of me. I'm a person, not a list of labels. So that whole idea about an "autism community"? Garbage! Take that crap out back and throw it in the bin.

And actors in general are struggling for work. That's the base state for any actors, struggling. And some of them are autistic. Makes sense most of them would be struggling too. The Hollywood is a dog eat dog industry, so I'm sure autistic actor would wanna corner the market regarding autistic roles, would definitely benefit them.

Not saying that Sia's response to the criticism wasn't a bit dumb-dumb. I mean, she had probably already decided since much earlier that she was gonna cast her friend in the role, so whether or not they were bad actors or not was neither here nor there. But ultimately the dumb response wouldn't have happened in the firs place if there wasn't dumb criticism to begin with. Still, Sia did herself no favors. She can start the "How to take a controversy and quickly make it oh so much worse" Club with Don Mattrick if she wants.
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Mac Arrowny
04/25/21 7:15:23 PM
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Friendly reminder that you're fighting against a strawman here. Nobody in this topic said that casting a non-autistic person was bad, they're saying that Sia's reasoning for it was bad (along with everything else about the movie and everything else Sia said all being bad).
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Johnbobb
04/25/21 7:19:23 PM
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Gonna try and see some of the nominees when I can.

Disappointed Kristen Wiig lost Worst Actress though

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ZeroSignal620
04/25/21 11:39:30 PM
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Johnbobb posted...
Disappointed Kristen Wiig lost Worst Actress though

Worst Supporting Actress. And at the rate things were going, no one was beating Maddie.

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BlAcK TuRtLe
05/04/21 5:01:09 PM
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I haven't seen any of these movies, but how Melissa McCarthy didn't win for that godawful movie about her being a superhero, I will never understand

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Mythiot
05/04/21 5:32:45 PM
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
I haven't seen any of these movies, but how Melissa McCarthy didn't win for that godawful movie about her being a superhero, I will never understand
Didn't come out in time. It'll be eligible next year.
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