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UshiromiyaEva
05/02/21 10:10:23 PM
#201:


Yeah I mean I knew WHERE but there are like 80 menus here and it's just a huge cumbersome mess.

I did figure it out, but this all seems like a nightmare of mixed currency. You gotta go between 3 guys to get one thing. And now I gotta go do a bunch of eden to get books to exchange for a different tombstone to exchange for a weapon, combination with tickets I got from exchanging different tombstones altogether from a different vendor?

Like, bruh.

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BK_Sheikah00
05/02/21 10:18:14 PM
#202:


You get used to it idk

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BK_Sheikah00
05/02/21 10:19:28 PM
#203:


Besides what you need for current gear is Revelation, not Allegory.

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UshiromiyaEva
05/02/21 10:23:23 PM
#204:


I mean what I really need is none if it since I don't intend to do any high end content until Endwalker, in which the dungeon gear halfway through is going to surpass even the best stuff here <_<

But I still don't want to cap tomestones, either way.

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LordoftheMorons
05/02/21 10:27:10 PM
#205:


Eh might as well buy 520 gear for your main class. Even if youre not doing hard content itll speed up whatever you are doing.

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HeroDelTiempo17
05/02/21 10:33:43 PM
#206:


I mean the stuff you can buy with Revelation now is going to be just how like poetic gear was for leveling, where it's able to carry you through most of the story.

Like yeah the MSQ is going to hand you gear but you're not going to fill out EVERY slot all the time that way, dump tons of gil on vendor trash, or stick around to grind out dungeon gear every two levels so having a strong baseline is absolutely worth it.

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BK_Sheikah00
05/02/21 10:36:36 PM
#207:


The thing is you could be using Allegory to make money instead

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GANON1025
05/02/21 10:43:50 PM
#208:


How do you make money AT ALL in this game?? And dont you dare say crafting jobs

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HeroDelTiempo17
05/02/21 10:47:36 PM
#209:


gathering jobs

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trdl23
05/03/21 12:44:53 AM
#210:


Eureka

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BK_Sheikah00
05/03/21 12:46:57 AM
#211:


Maps. Got frontier cloth today

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Shadow Dino
05/03/21 1:54:13 AM
#212:


GANON1025 posted...
How do you make money AT ALL in this game?? And dont you dare say crafting jobs

Farm Delubrum Reginae and hope you get lucky with a mount drop or hair drop. Sell those for $$$$$$

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banananor
05/03/21 1:55:48 AM
#213:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
Yeah I mean I knew WHERE but there are like 80 menus here and it's just a huge cumbersome mess.

I did figure it out, but this all seems like a nightmare of mixed currency. You gotta go between 3 guys to get one thing. And now I gotta go do a bunch of eden to get books to exchange for a different tombstone to exchange for a weapon, combination with tickets I got from exchanging different tombstones altogether from a different vendor?

Like, bruh.

honestly, that's par for the course for any MMO at the end of an expansion's life cycle


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Lightning Strikes
05/03/21 12:05:38 PM
#214:


Finished Shadowbringers MSQ a few days ago, also did the level 80 dungeons and Eden 1-4. What a great expansion. I felt that it was kind of an incremental improvement until about halfway through but the second half is just incredible. Those cutscenes before and after the last trial were all time Final Fantasy moments.

My only issue is, there doesnt seem to be as many max level dungeons as Stormblood has. Thats a shame, because I like those.

Also I soloed some Bahamut. I had mansged to fo T1 and T2 at level, this time I got up to T8, did T9 with somebody else, then realised I couldnt solo T10 as a DPS and got annoyed so I decided to quit until I have a high enough tank/healer. It really is a shame that some of the best content in ARR, and probably the best raid story content (and one of the only ones that actually ties strongly into the main plot) is nearly completely inaccessible. Hopefully they will do something about that at some point. Its good!

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trdl23
05/03/21 12:14:58 PM
#215:


Lightning Strikes posted...
I couldnt solo T10 as a DPS
You can! You just need a bunch of burst. I do it all the time on MCH.

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UshiromiyaEva
05/03/21 12:16:54 PM
#216:


It looks like it's 8 vs 10 dungeons at max for each, but 2 of the level 70 dungeons are hard modes.

I would assume there wouldn't be any dungeons in 5.55?

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HeroDelTiempo17
05/03/21 12:58:01 PM
#217:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
It looks like it's 8 vs 10 dungeons at max for each, but 2 of the level 70 dungeons are hard modes.

I would assume there wouldn't be any dungeons in 5.55?

Nah. There should not be any new DF content in 5.55. We're getting the new Save the Queen area and can probably expect a MSQ solo duty and that's it.

The devs have slowly shifted away from dungeon content. Stormblood had more because they were experimenting with a 2-1-2-1 pattern for adding new ones to free up dev time which ended up resulting in one per patch in Shadowbringers. Honestly, it's hard to blame them - dungeons are pretty formulaic and quickly become roulette filler so it gets harder to justify resources (and they've said doing "hard modes" doesn't really save them much hassle compared to brand new ones). And I do kinda like how the ShB dungeons feel more like big setpieces.

I would like to see more mechanical variety in dungeons but we aren't going to get that by having the devs churn out more normal modes, and I dont know if theyre interested in doing "EX" dungeons or more 8-mans or whatever.

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tcaz2
05/03/21 3:07:30 PM
#218:


People have been asking for harder 4 man content for forever and the devs just don't seem to want to do it for whatever reason.

GANON1025 posted...
How do you make money AT ALL in this game?? And dont you dare say crafting jobs
If you don't want to do gathering or crafting (which are the best money makers in the game and its not even close, especially crafting), seriously, do maps.

It'll vary based on how lucky you are but I'd say on the low end (not good/middling luck) I come out of an hour of map runs with between 7-15 million gil more than I went in.

I've had runs where I get 30 or even 50 million with good drops, too, though.

And it fills you up on the capped tomestone currency so you don't have to do any/as many EXDRs and such.
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LordoftheMorons
05/03/21 3:09:05 PM
#219:


tcaz2 posted...
It'll vary based on how lucky you are but I'd say on the low end (not good/middling luck) I come out of an hour of map runs with between 7-15 million gil more than I went in.
Wait what

How have I never had this luck? Or is this only right after they add new mats?

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GANON1025
05/03/21 3:39:16 PM
#220:


Its not that I dont want to do crafting, its that you need to spend money to level up crafting and I dont have a ton of money. So if I ever want to seriously get into crafting, I need to somehow make a bunch of money so I then have the capital to a risky craft

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GANON1025
05/03/21 3:40:14 PM
#221:


For reference i have like 250k gold.... even getting 1 million would be life changing

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X_Dante_X
05/03/21 4:30:57 PM
#222:


GANON1025 posted...
For reference i have like 250k gold.... even getting 1 million would be life changing


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tcaz2
05/03/21 4:52:50 PM
#223:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Wait what

How have I never had this luck? Or is this only right after they add new mats?
Admittedly I haven't done it since I resubbed a couple weeks ago, this was back around 5.2/5.3. It definitely might be less on average now due to mat saturation.

But even passive chest gold you should get around 1-2 mil per that time period unless your party has catastrophic luck and people keep getting booted out on the 1st or 2nd door.

GANON1025 posted...
Its not that I dont want to do crafting, its that you need to spend money to level up crafting and I dont have a ton of money. So if I ever want to seriously get into crafting, I need to somehow make a bunch of money so I then have the capital to a risky craft

This right here already tells me you don't know anything about crafting!

You do not need money to level crafting unless you want to truly go about it the laziest and fastest way possible (saving up leves, buying the mats for the leves off the marketboard and turning them in)

Just do the crafting beast tribes and Ishgardian Restoration to level. It will be slower but will cost you practically nothing in terms of money.

You also can make money practically every step of the way as a crafter, especially if you level gathering at the same time. You do not need to be max level. Just look up the things people are buying on the market board (the above mentioned leve turn in materials are a good place to start!), then go out and gather and/or craft those things and put them up for sale.
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Lightning Strikes
05/03/21 4:57:37 PM
#224:


I also did the first Nier raid, I cant wait for this raid series to get bad!

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GANON1025
05/03/21 4:58:51 PM
#225:


Well youre right, I dont know anything about crafting!! But I felt I was spending a bunch just getting all the materials to do the ishgard restoration stuff (as goldsmith)

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UshiromiyaEva
05/03/21 5:46:36 PM
#226:


I really wish I realized earlier just how much exp you could get for turning in job specific provisions to your Grand Company every day.

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tcaz2
05/03/21 6:04:35 PM
#227:


GANON1025 posted...
Well youre right, I dont know anything about crafting!! But I felt I was spending a bunch just getting all the materials to do the ishgard restoration stuff (as goldsmith)

Just go into Diadem and gather them instead?

UshiromiyaEva posted...
I really wish I realized earlier just how much exp you could get for turning in job specific provisions to your Grand Company every day.
Oh yeah that too, that's absolutely tons of XP.

HQ turn ins there can get you multiple levels depending on the item even

And again, don't just buy the items. Go get the mats and make them yourself. Even if you don't do it every day, it will add up.
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GANON1025
05/03/21 6:06:15 PM
#228:


B-But I dont have a gathering job....

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UshiromiyaEva
05/03/21 6:06:57 PM
#229:


I turned in regular quality eggs twice I think and my Culinarian was at level 4 before I ever ever equipped the pan.

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GANON1025
05/03/21 8:27:10 PM
#230:


tcaz2 posted...
People have been asking for harder 4 man content for forever and the devs just don't seem to want to do it for whatever reason.

If you don't want to do gathering or crafting (which are the best money makers in the game and its not even close, especially crafting), seriously, do maps.

It'll vary based on how lucky you are but I'd say on the low end (not good/middling luck) I come out of an hour of map runs with between 7-15 million gil more than I went in.

I've had runs where I get 30 or even 50 million with good drops, too, though.

And it fills you up on the capped tomestone currency so you don't have to do any/as many EXDRs and such.

So I been meaning to ask this.... what are maps? I've seen people mention maps before, but I have no idea what they mean lol

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X_Dante_X
05/03/21 8:31:32 PM
#231:


maps are things you GATHER that create chests that have fat lootz
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Earthshaker
05/03/21 8:31:44 PM
#232:


GANON1025 posted...
So I been meaning to ask this.... what are maps? I've seen people mention maps before, but I have no idea what they mean lol

Timeworn (leather) maps are a treasure hunt of sorts. You open them, you find the location on the map that has them, you dig for them, you kill some monsters that guard the coffer that you find there. Occasionally in 8-player maps (Zonureskin, Gazelleskin, and whatever Heavensward's 8-man is) a portal will open up after you open the treasure chest and put you in a relatively-easy mini-dungeon where you beat the snot out of up to five waves of things for more loot. It's very profitable, but you have to bear in mind you only get one map a day by gathering, and you can only hold one at a time (which you can get around by throwing one on your retainer, one on your chocobo, one on your other retainer, one in your inventory, and one open ready for digging.)

Or, if you're on a busy world like Mateus, you just sell the maps outright for like 70k a pop. But yes, you have to gather them. I believe the quest to start them is in Wineport, or whatever the other settlement in the map that has Costa del Sol in it is.

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HeroDelTiempo17
05/03/21 8:33:36 PM
#233:


You can also generally get one weekly from Wonderous Tails though I can't remember if they are a 9-stamp or 1-line reward.

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UshiromiyaEva
05/03/21 8:38:58 PM
#234:


I died after digging up a treasure chest near Ala Migo once. Like, straight up got bodied as an 80 Dark Knight by mobs.

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LordoftheMorons
05/03/21 8:40:46 PM
#235:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
I died after digging up a treasure chest near Ala Migo once. Like, straight up got bodied as an 80 Dark Knight by mobs.
You don't wanna open the 8 player ones solo (I imagine if you had better gear you could have soloed the outdoor mobs, but had a portal spawned you would be screwed because the portals are synced)

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UshiromiyaEva
05/03/21 8:43:24 PM
#236:


I didn't see any indication that it was an 8 player, but maybe I missed something in the item description? Or is this just one of those things you're supposed to know? <_<;

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LordoftheMorons
05/03/21 8:47:13 PM
#237:


It says "eight players recommended" in the description. (You should actually be fine with like four people)

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UshiromiyaEva
05/03/21 8:50:22 PM
#238:


Hmmm I may have missed it because it was the first time I'd looked for them and I'd gathered like 4 maps to open in a row.

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KamikazePotato
05/03/21 8:51:17 PM
#239:


My FF14 claim to fame is that I was the first person on the server to put up and sell a Wind-Up Thancred on the market board. Set the price at 4 million and ruined that item's asking price permanently, aw yeah.

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GANON1025
05/03/21 9:34:20 PM
#240:


So which Gathering job gets you maps?

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UshiromiyaEva
05/03/21 9:45:45 PM
#241:


I think they all do? Miner and Botanist I assume would be easier than fishing for it.

It's kind of nuts how much you can pull one over on the market board. Void Glue is sold by the Scrapper in Idylshire for 3k. The going rate on the market board right now is....14k. And I can see people are buying it!


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tcaz2
05/03/21 9:53:35 PM
#242:


All of them do, you get one very commonly once per day.

It's absolutely worth the return to just buy them, though, if you don't have gatherers leveled.

Also while it does say '8 players recommended' you can totally get by with 4-5. The mobs aren't hard as long as you have a tank and a healer, it will just take a bit longer to clear them.
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GANON1025
05/03/21 9:56:53 PM
#243:


Oh I don't mind levelling a gatherer at all.... it doesn't take like a ton of money to level one or anything, right?

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UshiromiyaEva
05/03/21 10:04:29 PM
#244:


GANON1025 posted...
Oh I don't mind levelling a gatherer at all.... it doesn't take like a ton of money to level one or anything, right?

Get to level 10 with just the crafting log EXP.

Buy some gathering Engineering manuals from you free company if you don't already have them (the green ones)

Go to the Firmament in Foundation and enter Diadem.

Pop the manual, put a movie on and just walk around for about 2 hours with the sound off gathering the 100% lowest level items.

You will hit 60 for the price of the entry level scraps and a teleport to Foundation.

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X_Dante_X
05/03/21 10:15:49 PM
#245:


use the free company action 'earth and water II' when you level your gathering too GANON

i just stocked a couple so you should be able to activate it anytime from the free company menu. free 10% gathering exp! (theres one for crafters too)
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UshiromiyaEva
05/03/21 10:20:05 PM
#246:


Cant stress enough how much having gatherers leveled helps leveling crafters.

I'm doing the level 60 Goldsmith quest literally right now and it was going to cost me either 120k to buy the 2 items outright or about 80k to buy the materials. Instead I can mine almost everything here and spend less than 10k.

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GANON1025
05/03/21 10:36:43 PM
#247:


Oh I keep forgetting those FC actions, good point. Maybe I WILL level a gatherer next... sounds pretty easy

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UshiromiyaEva
05/03/21 10:46:10 PM
#248:


Boring but easy. Also the Stormblood gatherer quests are all for unique market prohibited items, so you couldn't spend money if you tried. Just invest in bunch of Hi-Cordials.

The only issue with the gatherer job quests is that, other than Shadowbringers, they will all require you to gather at a certain time of day to get the last item.


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CasanovaZelos
05/03/21 10:52:56 PM
#249:


I've been grinding through the beginning of the game. Level 34 Ninja right now. Man, a lot of these quests are tedious.

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UshiromiyaEva
05/03/21 11:02:07 PM
#250:


CasanovaZelos posted...
I've been grinding through the beginning of the game. Level 34 Ninja right now. Man, a lot of these quests are tedious.

A fair warning that around level 34 (in actual quest level, not personal level) is when the game is at its absolute lowest. The series of quests just before the level 34 Trial is the worst in the game. Had I not had not been watching my folk's place and taking time off of work, just slamming my way through, this may have been a roadblock for me. It gets better after the trial, but that lead up is disastrous.

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