Poll of the Day > Who is the left-wing dishonest loudmouth celebrity equivalent to Alex Jones?

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Lokarin
04/13/21 8:35:18 PM
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Metalsonic66
04/13/21 8:36:52 PM
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All the Hollywood Elites

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ReturnOfFa
04/13/21 8:45:52 PM
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Jimmy Dore.

Although nobody is quite on the level of Jones. He really is talented even though he's a nut.

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agesboy
04/13/21 8:48:11 PM
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bill maher, definitely, though he doesn't get as prominent of a platform

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Lokarin
04/13/21 8:49:10 PM
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Ya, I was thinking of a talk show with Alex Jones Vs. "Insert Here" where they fight over the same issue

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Mead
04/13/21 8:59:03 PM
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There really isnt one that has anywhere near the reach or influence that someone like Alex Jones did at one time

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ReturnOfFa
04/13/21 9:05:42 PM
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agesboy posted...
bill maher, definitely, though he doesn't get as prominent of a platform
Bill's up there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tzT-E3GWmc

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JigsawTDC
04/13/21 9:47:16 PM
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Yeah, Bill Maher is probably the closest, but even he isn't as wacky and out there as Alex Jones, nor as prominent. I do remember when Religulous or whatever it was called came out, most of PotD was super hyped on it, but I just thought the dude was an asshole. That was my first experience with the dude. Like, I'm not religious and I probably agree more with Bill Maher at the core of the issue, but I can't appreciate the way he goes about things at all. He's a sensationalist reactionary with very little of value or substance to say.

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Mead
04/13/21 10:04:01 PM
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Yeah Bill Maher can be a douchebag in a lot of ways but most of his views arent even that far left he is more of a centrist really and spends almost as much time bitching about California liberals as any right winger.

I might cringe every time he has a black guest on his show and he keeps saying my brotha to them at the end of every sentence, but hes not gonna peddle a bunch of baseless conspiracy theories or encourage people to harass victims of some shooting.

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agesboy
04/13/21 10:09:38 PM
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Mead posted...
I might cringe every time he has a black guest on his show and he keeps saying my brotha to them at the end of every sentence, but hes not gonna peddle a bunch of baseless conspiracy theories
bill maher thinks vaccines cause autism

like, very, very strongly believes this

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ReturnOfFa
04/13/21 10:18:00 PM
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Jimmy Dore is like Walmart Maher, and he actually promotes basically every conspiracy theory there is. Plus he screams. Plus he spat in Alex Jones' face. He also screams about his old boss (Cenk Uyger) only because he wants to position himself as a more principled progressive.

He definitely doesn't get as much overall air time as Alex Jones, but his assistance in spreading conspiracies is damn effective. The most effective has been all the crap Aaron Mate (son of Gabor Mate) has been writing about OPCW reports on the gassing of Douma, Syria. Jimmy Dore basically chalks up all Syrian atrocities as "false-flag attacks" to set up the country for an American invasion. You can denounce American interventionism while still acknowledging the facts, the facts being that Assad has killed the most people of anyone in Syria, Russian forces have killed more civilians than the Coalition forces combined, and then there's those deaths as well. All horrible, but 'journalists' like Mate, Glenn Greenwald and a few other cranks smear anyone trying to parse the details as "Democratic Operatives" and apologists for the American Industrial Complex. It's fucking bizarro world. They've done a great job of misrepresenting information and sewing a lot of doubt. Tulsi Gabbard has eaten it all up and disseminates these very falsehoods on Tucker Carlson.

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OhhhJa
04/13/21 10:42:41 PM
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Kind of hard to say because you pretty much get lumped into the far right category automatically if you propagate any kind of conspiracy theory nowadays. Even anti vacc used to be something that was thought to be somewhat bipartisan, if not more left wing, but not anymore
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JigsawTDC
04/13/21 10:45:20 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Even anti vacc used to be something that was thought to be somewhat bipartisan, if not more left wing, but not anymore

You might be interested in reading this one:
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/06/the-anti-vax-movements-radical-shift-from-crunchy-granola-purists-to-far-right-crusaders/
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ReturnOfFa
04/13/21 10:49:43 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Kind of hard to say because you pretty much get lumped into the far right category automatically if you propagate any kind of conspiracy theory nowadays. Even anti vacc used to be something that was thought to be somewhat bipartisan, if not more left wing, but not anymore
What conspiracies do you think have validity? I used to be pretty open-minded to a few, but after being immersed in living with someone who buys into most conspiracies and digging deep into most of them....they all seem to reek of crap.

I think left-wingers and right-wingers are both pretty vulnerable to conspiracies. Maybe one more than the other, but it's still pretty bad under both umbrellas. Although, and this is just my own opinion, I do think that conspiracies generally play into the hands of the Religious Right/Republicans more than it does anyone else.

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OhhhJa
04/13/21 10:54:43 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
What conspiracies do you think have validity? I used to be pretty open-minded to a few, but after being immersed in living with someone who buys into most conspiracies and digging deep into most of them....they all seem to reek of crap.

I think left-wingers and right-wingers are both pretty vulnerable to conspiracies. Maybe one more than the other, but it's still pretty bad under both umbrellas. Although, and this is just my own opinion, I do think that conspiracies generally play into the hands of the Religious Right/Republicans more than it does anyone else.
I wasn't really attempting to imply that any do... but I am of the belief that that the government narrative of the events of 9/11 isnt entirely honest/accurate. Can't think of any others off the top of my head that I subscribe to
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Mead
04/13/21 10:57:52 PM
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agesboy posted...
bill maher thinks vaccines cause autism

like, very, very strongly believes this

thats a stupid thing for him to think

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agesboy
04/13/21 10:59:20 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
What conspiracies do you think have validity? I used to be pretty open-minded to a few, but after being immersed in living with someone who buys into most conspiracies and digging deep into most of them....they all seem to reek of crap.
"bush's administration pushed war in the middle east for oil money" and "the saudi monarchy was directly responsible for 9/11" are two that are pretty likely true

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ReturnOfFa
04/13/21 10:59:22 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
I wasn't really attempting to imply that any do... but I am of the belief that that the government narrative of the events of 9/11 isnt entirely honest/accurate. Can't think of any others off the top of my head that I subscribe to
Fair enough. I just always want people to get specific. Like, "The events of 9/11 isnt entirely honest/accurate" is kinda vague to me. I could concede something like "the American government knew enough about the threat of 9/11 to prevent it", but I've looked enough at the "Tower 7" (which Jimmy Dore has prattled on about for years) business to know it wasn't a controlled demolition.

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ReturnOfFa
04/13/21 11:00:08 PM
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Mead posted...
thats a stupid thing for him to think
one of the reasons I can't respect Jim Carrey either

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Smarkil
04/14/21 12:26:45 AM
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Probably the fat guy from the young turks.

He's annoying, he's fat, and he's an internet personality that barely gets any traction outside of his weird fanbase.

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Lokarin
04/14/21 12:36:34 AM
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Smarkil posted...
Probably the fat guy from the young turks.

Chunk Yogurt?

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Gaawa_chan
04/14/21 12:40:45 AM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
Jimmy Dore
First person that sprang to mind. Different political orientation, same fearmongering, conspiracy-theory peddling, grifting bullshit.

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ReturnOfFa
04/14/21 12:44:23 AM
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TYT is is more snarky redundant media, but they're less on the conspiracy bent than Dore or Jones. Not completely devoid of it however (GMO conspiracies).

I just find it hilarious that Dore used to work for Uyger and now spends whole episodes screaming about how much he hates him. Jimmy says he stands up for the poor, but I don't know any poor guy that has the privilege to do that...(scream about your former employer publicly). Asshole doesn't fight for anyone and has a nice posh place in the hills while him and his buddies jerk each other off on the Tube.

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Unbridled9
04/14/21 1:06:08 AM
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Probably Maher or Dore; but it depends on what you really mean by 'equivalent'. Alex Jones succeeds because he draws power from the censorship. Each attempt to censor his rants results in his audience thinking they're more credible. It doesn't really matter what he says; just that people try to shut him down. When your narrative is that there's a big evil government trying to shut you down that sort of thing empowers him. But that wouldn't hold true for Maher or Dore. However I do think they are equiv in that they thrive by stirring up controversy and pitting one party against the other.

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Monopoman
04/14/21 1:14:03 AM
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Bill Maher constantly attacks liberals, especially for the same shit people on the right bitch about like cancel culture and political correctness being valued so highly. Even at his most radical and ridiculous he is like 5% of what Alex Jones does on a daily basis.
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TheNobleWoodApe
04/14/21 1:24:43 AM
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Jimmy Dore was the first thing I thought of too.

Cenk might have gotten a nod if he didn't deny the armenian genocide and support beastiality.

To go as deep as AJ on the left, you're going to need to hang out at some black blok lunacy meetings in person and listen to "point of privelege" can we stop addressing the crowd as "you guys" triggered bullshit for an hour before somebody actually says something of note while arguing about infinite slices of intersectional dogma...while a certain purist marxist faction tries to invade the space and make everything about them instead.

The left will eat itself in the end given enough time no matter what.

At the very least, the different factions on the right have common goals they'll work towards because they aren't bogged down in intersectionalist dogma.

The fourth turning is well underway, whether anyone wants it or not.

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TheNobleWoodApe
04/14/21 1:32:43 AM
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Monopoman posted...
Bill Maher constantly attacks liberals, especially for the same shit people on the right bitch about like cancel culture and political correctness being valued so highly. Even at his most radical and ridiculous he is like 5% of what Alex Jones does on a daily basis.


Mahr is a limosuine liberal at the end of the day no matter how you look at him.

He also took the begining of cancel culture on the chin before the term was a thing.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I think more people need to read "Industrial Society and It's Future" by Ted Kaczynski.

Yeah, I'm advocating the Unabomber Manifesto.

I don't support the whole bombing part of his philosophy. Let's get that out of the way.

But man, read his Manifesto.

He saw the current age of social media and it's problems 20 years ahead of the time.

If he wasn't a mad bomber to get his point across, he would have eclipsed guys like Chomsky, Clarke, and Kurzwiel as a pure philosopher.

I don't agree with the Unabomber's methods at all, but the issues he saw coming were 2 decades ahead of their time.

Like seriously. Give the Unabomber Manifesto, (industrial society and it's future) a read and tell me the man was off-base with where society was heading.

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JigsawTDC
04/14/21 1:40:10 AM
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TheNobleWoodApe posted...
The fourth turning is well underway, whether anyone wants it or not.

Speaking of conspiracy theories the right likes to babble out! Looks like Whiskey is taking some cues (yes Whiskey, m'boy it's cues not queues) from none other than Steve Bannon:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/08/us/politics/stephen-bannon-book-fourth-turning.html

If you're not familiar with Strauss-Howe generational theory, let me just copy and paste an excerpt from its intro on Wikipedia:

"Academic response to the theory has been mixedsome applauding Strauss and Howe for their "bold and imaginative thesis" and others criticizing the theory as being overly-deterministic, unfalsifiable, and unsupported by rigorous evidence, "about as scientific as astrology or a Nostradamus text." StraussHowe generational theory has also been described by some historians and journalists as a "pseudoscience", "kooky", and "an elaborate historical horoscope that will never withstand scholarly scrutiny." Academic criticism has focused on the lack of rigorous empirical evidence for their claims, and the authors' view that generational groupings are more powerful than other social groupings such as economic class, race, sex, religion, and political parties."

Farmers rise up! We can stop The Fourth Turning!!
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ReturnOfFa
04/14/21 1:51:50 AM
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TheNobleWoodApe posted...
Jimmy Dore was the first thing I thought of too.

Cenk might have gotten a nod if he didn't deny the armenian genocide and support beastiality.

To go as deep as AJ on the left, you're going to need to hang out at some black blok lunacy meetings in person and listen to "point of privelege" can we stop addressing the crowd as "you guys" triggered bullshit for an hour before somebody actually says something of note while arguing about infinite slices of intersectional dogma...while a certain purist marxist faction tries to invade the space and make everything about them instead.

The left will eat itself in the end given enough time no matter what.

At the very least, the different factions on the right have common goals they'll work towards because they aren't bogged down in intersectionalist dogma.

The fourth turning is well underway, whether anyone wants it or not.
I'm vibing too much on our musical similarities to argue too much lol. I'll just point out that at the very least, Cenk disavowed his previous denial of the Armenian Genocide. He's still a blowhard, but he handled it in a more normal way than the average YouTube/Media personality. Still some preening of course, but not doubling back is decent.

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JigsawTDC
04/14/21 1:53:05 AM
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TheNobleWoodApe posted...
If he wasn't a mad bomber to get his point across, he would have eclipsed guys like Chomsky, Clarke, and Kurzwiel as a pure philosopher.

Lol. I mean, maybe Kaczynski's work will seem insightful to people who haven't read much philosophy, political science, or environmentalist work, but putting him on a pedestal and acting like he'd be some important philosopher if he hadn't bombed anyone is super bizarre. Like, all of his worthwhile ideas were better said elsewhere before he wrote them. He didn't predict anything that others hadn't.
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TheNobleWoodApe
04/14/21 1:53:08 AM
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Farmers rise up! We can stop The Fourth Turning!!

funny how everyone I've blocked thinks the farmers bit is some kind of own when none of them can tell me how much food NYC thinks it can grow on its own in central park...

Even if California is the "bread basket"...how many red states does it's water pass through? How many red states do their avocados have to pass thru to get to NYC or Chicago?

The same people gloating about Texas' power grid issues are the same ones that think the blue stronghold cities can live without the "red flyover states".

I wish you all the best of luck believing that.

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ReturnOfFa
04/14/21 1:57:29 AM
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TheNobleWoodApe posted...
Farmers rise up! We can stop The Fourth Turning!!

funny how everyone I've blocked thinks the farmers bit is some kind of own when none of them can tell me how much food NYC thinks it can grow on its own in central park...

Even if California is the "bread basket"...how many red states does it's water pass through? How many red states do their avocados have to pass thru to get to NYC or Chicago?

The same people gloating about Texas' power grid issues are the same ones that think the blue stronghold cities can live without the "red flyover states".

I wish you all the best of luck believing that.
Even Nebraska?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZbzncPXIUY

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Zareth
04/14/21 2:05:29 AM
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TheNobleWoodApe posted...
funny how everyone I've blocked thinks the farmers bit is some kind of own when none of them can tell me how much food NYC thinks it can grow on its own in central park...
They don't need to grow food on their own, because if the farmers refuse to send them food, the military will get involved.

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JigsawTDC
04/14/21 2:06:07 AM
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TheNobleWoodApe posted...
Farmers rise up! We can stop The Fourth Turning!!

funny how everyone I've blocked thinks the farmers bit is some kind of own when none of them can tell me how much food NYC thinks it can grow on its own in central park...

Even if California is the "bread basket"...how many red states does it's water pass through? How many red states do their avocados have to pass thru to get to NYC or Chicago?

The same people gloating about Texas' power grid issues are the same ones that think the blue stronghold cities can live without the "red flyover states".

I wish you all the best of luck believing that.

Yeah man, let's just totally ignore the existence of urban agriculture. Central Park is the only place NYC could grow food. For sure. There's no way any other buildings or spaces could he adapted utilizing practices from a whole branch of agriculture focused on urban environments.

Also, your view of farmers rising up is ridiculous because farmers are the ones who would be hurt by upending their infrastructure. Or maybe you're not aware of what's going on with all the potato farmers who couldn't sell their potatoes in this last year? I'm not going to deny agriculture and farmers are central to maintaining a society beyond the level of hunter-gatherers, but in a global capitalist system, do you really think U.S. leftists would all starve if U.S. farmers stopped working? We'd just outsource to countries with cheap labor and product. We already do that for a lot of produce, particularly tropical ones that can't grow in an American climate.
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TheNobleWoodApe
04/14/21 2:11:44 AM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
Even Nebraska?

Nebraska is nothing but gmo corn for HFCS, and "wheat" for feed. It's Monsanto country. I've driven across Nebraska. Like I despise flat Earthers, but if you grew up in nebraska and never saw anything 20 miles beyond the flat patch of dirt you were born on, I can almost understand believing that bullshit.

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TheNobleWoodApe
04/14/21 2:15:59 AM
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Zareth posted...
They don't need to grow food on their own, because if the farmers refuse to send them food, the military will get involved.

Do you think the military has 9M MRE's x 3 meals a day x multiple days for infinity?

Do you think they're going to park the entire Eisenhower battle group in long island sound or the east river indefinitely? Do you think they can get another carrier battle group up to Chicago and Detroit to sustain them indefinitely? It took them a month to get a hospital ship up to NYC and NYC didn't even use the ship.

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JigsawTDC
04/14/21 2:18:17 AM
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Okay guys, let's just let Whiskey have his little fantasy of the evil leftist strongholds being starved out by our noble and well-meaning farmers.
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Mead
04/14/21 2:19:53 AM
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I legitimately love the fact that he is doubling down on one of the dumbest things that has ever been posted on potd

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JigsawTDC
04/14/21 2:23:56 AM
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Mead posted...
I legitimately love the fact that he is doubling down on one of the dumbest things that has ever been posted on potd

Maybe he wanted to focus on the farmers comment (the most minor part of the post) to distract from the fact that he's following and promoting Steven Bannon astrology. Idk. Either way he doesn't come out on top.
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Unbridled9
04/14/21 2:26:38 AM
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JigsawTDC posted...
Okay guys, let's just let Whiskey have his little fantasy of the evil leftist strongholds being starved out by our noble and well-meaning farmers.

I mean, if you want to discuss an actual red vs. blue civil war I'd be down for it. But we'd need to agree to things like rules for comparison first (like how we decide what places are red and what places are blue. 2020 county voting map makes the most sense to me but I could be wrong.)

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JigsawTDC
04/14/21 2:30:16 AM
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Unbridled9 posted...
I mean, if you want to discuss an actual red vs. blue civil war I'd be down for it. But we'd need to agree to things like rules for comparison first (like how we decide what places are red and what places are blue. 2020 county voting map makes the most sense to me but I could be wrong.)

I mean, you could make a separate topic for that if you want to discuss it. It doesn't seem like a likely hypothetical to me though. Any future civil war in the U.S. is less likely to be red vs. blue and more likely to be the government vs. the people. The side with nukes probably wins.
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Zeus
04/14/21 2:32:08 AM
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The thing about Alex Jones is that he gets his notoriety partly *because* the left elevates him with its attacks. You don't really see that same machine attacking a a fringe leftist because, no matter how crazy they are, they're ultimately on the same side. Plus while there are plenty of leftist conspiracy theories every bit as crazy, the left gives them credence. So you're never going to have a perfect analog. And, honestly, the only way you'd get insights into it is probably by watching stuff like OAN and seeing who they attack, etc.

But in general there are tons of leftwing conspiracy nuts, just like there are tons of rightwing conspiracy nuts.

agesboy posted...
bill maher, definitely, though he doesn't get as prominent of a platform

Bill Maher has been more over the map in recent years.

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TheNobleWoodApe
04/14/21 2:34:09 AM
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It's just astounding to me that the blue states that produce nothing but "culture jamming" think they can eat "culture jamming".

I mean, on the technicality, sure, there's washington square park. There's grant's tomb, there's bryant park...but I'm just going to go out on a limb and suggest that you're not going to feed 9M people with that acreage.

I mean, call me crazy all you like, but I'm pretty sure once you're done trying to squeeze whatever you can out of a few hundred acres of grass and fish the Hudson dry...CT isn't going to let you fish the Sound dry...at the end of the day NYC is unsustainable as a city-state by any metric.

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Metalsonic66
04/14/21 2:34:40 AM
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Turn the FREAKIN FROGS GAYYY

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TheNobleWoodApe
04/14/21 2:38:06 AM
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The side with nukes probably wins.

Yeah guys, the guy that thinks the same military that will bail out NYC also thinks the military will nuke the farmlands to save NYC.

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JigsawTDC
04/14/21 2:38:30 AM
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TheNobleWoodApe posted...
It's just astounding to me that the blue states that produce nothing but "culture jamming" think they can eat "culture jamming".

I mean, on the technicality, sure, there's washington square park. There's grant's tomb, there's bryant park...but I'm just going to go out on a limb and suggest that you're not going to feed 9M people with that acreage.

I mean, call me crazy all you like, but I'm pretty sure once you're done trying to squeeze whatever you can out of a few hundred acres of grass and fish the Hudson dry...CT isn't going to let you fish the Sound dry...at the end of the day NYC is unsustainable as a city-state by any metric.

Again, let's just ignore the whole existence of urban agriculture lol. There's a whole slew of better arguments you could be making in favor of your farmers rise up plan, but focusing on non-existent issues of limited acreage isn't one of them.
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JigsawTDC
04/14/21 2:39:35 AM
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TheNobleWoodApe posted...
The side with nukes probably wins.

Yeah guys, the guy that thinks the same military that will bail out NYC also thinks the military will nuke the farmlands to save NYC.

I never said anything about the military bailing out NYC. You're also completely misinterpreting what I said if you think I said the military will nuke farmlands to save NYC lol
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Dark_SilverX
04/14/21 2:40:53 AM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
All the Hollywood Elites
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TheNobleWoodApe
04/14/21 2:41:46 AM
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I mean victory gardens were a thing.

...when nyc had about 6m less people.

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ReturnOfFa
04/14/21 2:44:18 AM
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im a radical anarchist radish farmer

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