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DoomTheGyarados
04/12/21 9:47:02 PM
#453:


Reg posted...
Real quote from real governor of real state

ha ha

kill me

Real state is debatable.

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RaidenGarai
04/12/21 11:19:28 PM
#455:


Ulti was wrong again? Im shocked!

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Reg
04/13/21 8:00:16 AM
#456:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Real state is debatable.
I mean, for much as it deserves to get shit on for its leadership and their actions, Texas is the one consistently Republican-voting state that actually has a strong enough economy to give more than it receives in taxes.
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xp1337
04/13/21 7:15:31 PM
#457:


https://twitter.com/biannagolodryga/status/1381993140001898500

Biden Administration says all troops will be withdrawn from Afghanistan by September 11th.

I've always been "believe it when I see it" with these promises but when the media followed up, the admin said it wasn't conditions-based and that the previous policy of condition-based was a recipe for staying indefinitely.

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Suprak the Stud
04/13/21 8:20:00 PM
#458:


xp1337 posted...
https://twitter.com/biannagolodryga/status/1381993140001898500

Biden Administration says all troops will be withdrawn from Afghanistan by September 11th.

I've always been "believe it when I see it" with these promises but when the media followed up, the admin said it wasn't conditions-based and that the previous policy of condition-based was a recipe for staying indefinitely.

Holy shit.

But like in a good way.

I did not have this as a possibility at all under Biden.

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/13/21 8:26:00 PM
#459:


Biden is definitely going to make good on the promise he made in like 2014.

(jk I have zero faith he'll actually do this)

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ChaosTonyV4
04/13/21 8:39:00 PM
#460:


xp1337 posted...
I've always been "believe it when I see it"


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Suprak the Stud
04/13/21 9:15:00 PM
#461:


I mean that is an extremely reasonable take too. But I didnt even think wed get lip service. This at least sounds concrete.

But yeah obviously wait and see.

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xp1337
04/13/21 9:28:03 PM
#462:


I mean, end of the day, I think you have to put the past failures to do so on Obama (and Trump after him.) End of the day, Biden had no power to do anything about it. Obama may have stated it, maybe even meant it, and put Biden on point for it, but if Obama backed down from it, there wouldn't be shit Biden could do about it.

Just like how if Biden turns out to break this commitment then it's all on him. Like I said, I'm always extremely skeptical when I see these pronouncements because we've been hearing them periodically for over a decade now but this is the first time Biden has made it as commander-in-chief so it's the first time he's really on the hook for it IMO.

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HeroDelTiempo17
04/14/21 11:38:54 AM
#463:


xp1337 posted...
I mean, end of the day, I think you have to put the past failures to do so on Obama (and Trump after him.) End of the day, Biden had no power to do anything about it. Obama may have stated it, maybe even meant it, and put Biden on point for it, but if Obama backed down from it, there wouldn't be shit Biden could do about it.

I dont think so. Obviously Obama would have the final say but from what I understand, Biden was very heavily involved in the middle east strategy. Certainly was responsible for some bad calls.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/15/20849072/joe-biden-iraq-history-democrats-election-2020

This is focused on Iraq and not Afghanistan but it does demonstrate that Biden had real foreign policy influence. I don't mean to lump all these countries and incidents together but I'd say it's more than fair to put a decent chunk of blame on Biden for the general Obama-era foreign policy.

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Suprak the Stud
04/14/21 12:38:45 PM
#464:


For sure Biden isnt blameless, but I saw this getting shared yesterday too:

https://www.ft.com/content/0c3a069c-2245-11ea-b8a1-584213ee7b2b

Well actually I saw the Washington Post story but think this provides more details. So there is at least some evidence that, specifically on Afghanistan, Biden was opposed to what Obama was doing and was simply overruled.

Its part of the reason my hope for this actually happening is now slightly more than zero.

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LinkMarioSamus
04/14/21 1:32:57 PM
#465:


Did Obama promise to bring the troops back home and not do so? I thought the troops stayed and fought a few years until bin Laden was killed and then the resulting power vacuum led to the formation of ISIL.

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Jakyl25
04/14/21 6:00:03 PM
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xp1337
04/14/21 6:02:50 PM
#467:


Well, the administration is saying the withdrawal from Afghanistan will begin May 1 so we may not have to wait too long to see if they're BSing on this.

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LordoftheMorons
04/14/21 6:09:35 PM
#468:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/no-charges-capitol-police-officer-who-shot-jan-6-rioter-n1264082

Screw that. She was a moron but she didnt have to die.
It's very unfortunate that she was shot, but I really don't think criminal charges against this officer would be at all justified.

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Paratroopa1
04/14/21 6:16:08 PM
#469:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/no-charges-capitol-police-officer-who-shot-jan-6-rioter-n1264082

Screw that. She was a moron but she didnt have to die.
Fair, next
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PrinceKaro
04/14/21 11:22:01 PM
#470:


It's called survival of the fittest

She was clearly too stupid to live and the human genome thanks her for her sacrifice

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Forceful_Dragon
04/14/21 11:47:09 PM
#471:


People dying is always regrettable.

But you can't trespass in the building where the elected leaders of the country work and expect the armed guards to not stop you by force if necessary.

If it wasn't her it would have been one of her cohorts and it's nicely surprising it didn't happen to more people.

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CaptainOfCrush
04/15/21 12:29:02 AM
#472:


Yeah, that mob was a clear threat and I'm relieved more of them weren't shot. They were beating up and manhandling cops who were trying to keep them out of the US Capitol - I mean come on.

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ChaosTonyV4
04/15/21 12:39:43 AM
#473:


I dont think she had to die.

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FFDragon
04/15/21 12:48:10 AM
#474:


Her dying there probably kept dozens of people from dying if they all poured through that last barricade.

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Forceful_Dragon
04/15/21 1:19:45 AM
#475:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
I dont think she had to die.

This is correct, but not in the sense that "the cop should never have pulled the trigger".

It is correct in the sense that no one should have stormed the capitol and so she never should have been that hallway to begin with.

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xp1337
04/15/21 1:34:08 AM
#476:


return of our favorite party game: guess those senators

Senate voted 92-6 to advance legislation designed to combat hate crimes against Asian Americans: https://twitter.com/LauraLitvan/status/1382437331068723211

so... guess. those. senators.

Cotton, Cruz, Hawley, Marshall, Paul, and Tuberville. Though really Cruz and Hawley might as well be the free spaces in these games.

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Paratroopa1
04/15/21 6:25:36 AM
#477:


xp1337 posted...
return of our favorite party game: guess those senators

Senate voted 92-6 to advance legislation designed to combat hate crimes against Asian Americans: https://twitter.com/LauraLitvan/status/1382437331068723211

so... guess. those. senators.

Cotton, Cruz, Hawley, Marshall, Paul, and Tuberville. Though really Cruz and Hawley might as well be the free spaces in these games.
Hawley, Cruz, and Cotton are givens. This seems like the sort of dumb libertarian wonk shit that Paul would object to. I'll guess Tuberville and Lee for the last two but it could be any of like 10 different people.
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Paratroopa1
04/15/21 6:25:56 AM
#478:


Paratroopa1 posted...
Hawley, Cruz, and Cotton are givens. This seems like the sort of dumb libertarian wonk shit that Paul would object to. I'll guess Tuberville and Lee for the last two but it could be any of like 10 different people.
5 out of 6, not bad. Looks like I know my dickbag senators.
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Mr Lasastryke
04/15/21 10:15:23 AM
#479:


lol @ rand paul being considered a "libertarian."

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Suprak the Stud
04/15/21 12:06:02 PM
#480:


I guessed all except for Marshall who I am literally hearing about for the first time right now.

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ChaosTonyV4
04/15/21 1:08:39 PM
#481:


https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-intel-walks-back-claim-russians-put-bounties-on-american-troops

The Russian bounties intel was wrong.

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HashtagSEP
04/15/21 2:52:07 PM
#482:


https://twitter.com/MarshallCohen/status/1382705877719908361

On the flip side of that, Trump 150% colluded with Russia

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StealThisSheen
04/15/21 6:29:36 PM
#483:


Florida GOP: *Goes absolutely insane over idea of a vaccine passport*
Also Florida GOP: *Wants to include "genital checks" for playing school sports*

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PerfectChaosZ
04/15/21 6:38:09 PM
#484:


How much more ****ing ridiculous do they have to get
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PrinceKaro
04/15/21 6:53:22 PM
#485:


Maybe they can appoint Matt Gaetz as chief Genital Inspector of Florda after he is done with his congressional term


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FFDragon
04/15/21 6:58:29 PM
#486:


https://twitter.com/sleepisocialist/status/1382782882800885761?s=20

The bodycam footage is even worse. Tells the kid to "drop it" as he's pulling the trigger. Kid had his hands up and no weapon. Then the mayor and DA lied about it.

Going to be a long summer.

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StealThisSheen
04/15/21 7:09:33 PM
#487:


The extended footage shows the cop was clearly shaken up over what he did

Which begs the question of where the hell are they getting these people and how the hell are they training them if literally every panic situation becomes "Shoot them"

These more recent situations are definitely indicative of an institutional problem and not "a few bad apples"

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KamikazePotato
04/15/21 7:13:49 PM
#488:


StealThisSheen posted...
Which begs the question of where the hell are they getting these people and how the hell are they training them if literally every panic situation becomes "Shoot them"
Media has convinced us that cops and law enforcement are competent and have a lot of training, and that even corrupt cops usually know what they're doing. This is basically most story plots would really suck if every authority figure involved was an idiot

In reality, a lot of cops are poorly-educated and their police training is a joke

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xp1337
04/15/21 7:16:00 PM
#489:


StealThisSheen posted...
Which begs the question of where the hell are they getting these people and how the hell are they training them if literally every panic situation becomes "Shoot them"
I forget who did it (Last Week Tonight, just regular news, etc.) but it showed that often the people departments get to conduct training intentionally train in such a way as to respond with maximum force and just generally spew trash views of conflict resolution (as in the only resolution considered is force.)

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Xeybozn
04/15/21 7:29:48 PM
#490:


StealThisSheen posted...

Which begs the question of where the hell are they getting these people and how the hell are they training them if literally every panic situation becomes "Shoot them"

It's pretty obvious they train police to fear for their lives and shoot first. I don't think most of them are out there actively looking for an excuse to murder someone. (Some do, yes, and that's already too many. But most of them have to be taught to think this way, and I believe a lot of them do regret shooting innocent people after it happens.)
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Leafeon13N
04/15/21 7:33:02 PM
#491:


Xeybozn posted...
believe a lot of them do regret shooting innocent people after it happens.)
Curious how you get to this one.
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CaptainOfCrush
04/15/21 8:01:13 PM
#492:


There's quite a bit footage from these police training seminars available online now, and yeah, it does sometimes sound like they're being trained for war - and if that's the philosophy that gets indoctrinated into you, even a logical, well-meaning recruit will eventually fall in line.

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Xeybozn
04/15/21 8:15:10 PM
#493:


Leafeon13N posted...
Curious how you get to this one.

Honestly, mostly just hope that humans aren't all awful and just looking for excuses to kill each other. After thinking about it, I suppose most cops who do this kind of thing are the bad ones. But in this particular case, the cop seemed disturbed afterwards; I'd like to think that's regret over killing an innocent kid rather than "Oh shit, I forgot to turn off my body cam, I'm in real trouble now".
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FFDragon
04/15/21 8:31:23 PM
#494:


Xeybozn posted...
just hope that humans aren't all awful and just looking for excuses to kill each other.

*looks at the entirety of human history up to and including today*

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Inviso
04/16/21 8:20:05 AM
#495:


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56770200

Wasn't there another mass shooting earlier this week that didn't even get attention in this topic? Yet here we are. Still can't do anything meaningful regarding gun control in this country.

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xp1337
04/16/21 8:25:37 AM
#496:


Okay, I just did the "guess those congresspeople" thing so I won't do it again, plus this is just fucking inexplicable.

House voted 415-2 to reauthorize the National Marrow Donor Program (program that matches donors with patients.) The 2 against? Taylor Greene and Boebert.

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1382886393156878338

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Inviso
04/16/21 8:26:45 AM
#497:


It's pretty explicable from those two.

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xp1337
04/16/21 8:27:47 AM
#498:


I mean... yes, but still.

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Seanchan
04/16/21 8:49:01 AM
#499:


Did they give any reason for voting against?

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