Board 8 > Hearthstone: New Core Set and an expansion I guess

(+) Yeah! (+)

I never got closer to rank 6 under the old system.

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I feel like new system is way faster than the old system but thats just me

(Congrats btw. Same goes to FD/Neptune/dowolf too if he reads this)

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Good job!

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https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/news/23665633/quilboar-join-battlegrounds-and-battle-ready-decks

Looks like a BG patch notes will be fully revealed tomorrow, seems Blood Gem based

Also they are selling full net decks for 20 bucks and likely not nerfing any of those cards for a little while

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I just played the Brawl and summoned a Fire Elemental. Got a spell (Spiked Shield). It didn't cost 0.

Priest v Warlock matchup, goes about how you would expect it to. Rushy rushers on 7. Tickatus on 8. Lord J on 9. I'm doing nothing but discovering mostly pointless spells and feeding my minions into his 6/6 horde for my N'zoth.

N'zoth is down at the bottom of my deck, and Taelen got hit by Tickatus so I couldn't dig him out early. This doesn't particularly upset me because the Warlock matchup is so bad I expect to lose most of these anyway, but stilll... at this point this dude has six cards left in his own deck, nine cards in hand and hasn't played a single Twist or Disaster. I am fucked.

Luck must have got tired of the Warlock after of his turns 7/8/9, because when I play N'zoth nothing happens. He draws and just sits there for a bit and then starts chucking out everything else in his hand and concedes. Either he doesn't run them, or all four of those board clears were in his bottom five.

Then after winning the game threw a giant, golden 500 in my face to celebrate.

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Hey one of the new BG heroes shows a new technology: Double Targeting

and it seems pretty good too!

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I just had a game where I had a like 120 attack crackling cyclone or something. It was great.

Placed 3rd in the Nicholena Moon Coin Invitational today. I went for the win in the last game of finals instead of playing safe, which cost me 2nd place potentially, but I don't regret the decision. Found early Kalec but had horrible fight RNG (in terms of who I fought) that caused me too much damage. Kinda shocked at some of the big names I was able to place ahead of.

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Hm it looks like we are going to get balance changes within a few weeks after all

My guesses are at least one Pally card (Conviction or First Day of School), Mankrik, and Crabrider. I do think theres other cards in the future that they need to address (Incanters Flow, Illucia, Ilgynoth, maybe Tickatus) and they buff Shaman and the Old Gods in some way

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First Day of School feels like it's the most obvious incoming nerf in a long time. Never should've dodged it in the last round.

I imagine you can nerf OTK Demon Hunter without hitting Ilgynoth. Felscream Blast not being able to target friendly minions would be the likely choice, or maybe Artificer not stacking with itself but that would likely fuck up some other combos so they're not going to do that.

Would be shocked to see Mankrik nerfed. I think it's going to sit in that Zilliax spot where it's a strong inclusion in a lot of decks but not something that needs changing.

I'm going to hate it if Tickatus gets nerfed instead of Jaraxxus or Whyshuarrjay.

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What if they nerfed first day of school by adding non collectable 3 stat vanilla minions with no tag into the pool of one drops?

Had the most filthy opener in arena I've maybe ever had, and legitimately felt bad about it after it happened.

https://hsreplay.net/replay/du63gYq4gTyhu8TCe2sAPo

This is one of the few cases where the +1 to mana cost nerf they love to use is the one I like as well. Not very often I prefer the simple solution.

Other options...

You could change it so it only generates neutral minions. Or, instead of two random minions it gives you one but with +1/+1. Maybe it gives you two but you discard them at the end of turn if you don't play them. Gives your opponent copies of them as well.

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I think a 1 mana first day of school is just a bad card.

ESY16 posted...

Placed 3rd in the Nicholena Moon Coin Invitational today. I went for the win in the last game of finals instead of playing safe, which cost me 2nd place potentially, but I don't regret the decision. Found early Kalec but had horrible fight RNG (in terms of who I fought) that caused me too much damage. Kinda shocked at some of the big names I was able to place ahead of.

That's fantastic! Congratulations

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I think a 1 mana first day of school would see play, but what I would do is just change it to a discover a 1 mana minion. Gets rid of the value and makes it comparable to a study card (Pally doesnt have one, right?). The high roll cards are mostly from other classes anyway.

I think Mankrik itself is fine, but the health of the enraged Mankrik is kinda oppressive, as its just too sticky and could decide games if you get it turn 4 or so.

Tick I just think enough people play it on ladder that its gonna be a ladder staple and maybe lead to a slightly warped meta until its dealt with (though if they nerf it they absolutely have to deal with Illucia and by extension Ilgynoth). I was like whatever this card isnt great but its probably just gonna be a staple until they deal with it. Especially if they balance it by buffing all the old gods


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Forceful_Dragon posted...

That's fantastic! Congratulations

Thank you! Was tied for 1st before the 5th game of finals but decided to go for the gold and take an Omu triple to 6. Got Kalec, but that turn Sunglitters got 2 triples (both taunt comp pieces) and did a lot of damage to me. Still, got a win in game 1 and am thrilled with 3rd. Alucard won - that guy is an absolute beast at BGs.

I think I have a lot to improve on with BGs, but honestly for some reason no matter the mode in Hearthstone I can only play 2-3 games at a time before I want to stop. Not a game I have found a desire to grind.

First Day of School seems like the best nerf target if one is coming. They did say they didn't want to nerf cards in the new battle ready decks, but the Pally deck has seemingly all of the high played win rate cards so either they nerf one or nerfs aren't coming soon.

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firaga89 posted...

Had the most filthy opener in arena I've maybe ever had, and legitimately felt bad about it after it happened.

https://hsreplay.net/replay/du63gYq4gTyhu8TCe2sAPo

That was disgusting. Well done.

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Have any of you guys played the latest TFT update

I feel like this is the place to ask

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I've been playing it a lot. Up to plat 3 atm
I think its the most fun set theyve released yet

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Oh no I saved for the miniset and now I see a Dame Hazelbark in the shop

I dont think I can resist

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oh there was a FULL rating reset for BGs. I thought it was just going to be like people really high up

also i played a game and got some quillboars.

They seem strong but they also seem to be a lot harder to play than other tribes as they have a lot going on with them in terms of managing your resources.

I played a few more games and every lobby was won by quillboars.

I know it's early but I can see them being nerfed.

Same happened with elementals.

My rating was not reset, btw. 6k range.

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_stingers_ posted...

I've been playing it a lot. Up to plat 3 atm
I think its the most fun set theyve released yet

I feel like everything hinges on whether you get aphelios, morde, or leblanc too much. I feel like it's hard to carry with random lower cost units you've highrolled than the last 2 sets

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KokoroAkechi posted...

oh there was a FULL rating reset for BGs. I thought it was just going to be like people really high up

It was both an external and partial internal MMR reset.

Quillboars are so busted right now oh my days.

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Theres just... way too many quillboars IMO. I think a couple have to be removed. Maybe the one that steals stones and the one that gives 2 attack to all minions for a turn.

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I bought the rogue deck for 20 bucks since it had the most high rarity cards in it i didnt have that were good. (Jandice, Tenwu, hanar, secret passage, etc). Played a few games and already pulled off some great turns.

Im actually pretty sure the warrior deck is the best one. But I never really liked playing warrior.

I'll probably get the Warrior one, just because it has the most cards I don't have

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Chaeix posted...

I feel like everything hinges on whether you get aphelios, morde, or leblanc too much. I feel like it's hard to carry with random lower cost units you've highrolled than the last 2 sets

All three got nerfed today

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the quilboar managerie combo is so busted. Like combine that beast that doubles your bloodgem power with the quilboars that give a minion of each type +1/+1 when a bloodgem is played WITH the one that casts a bloodgem on everything is nuts.

KokoroAkechi posted...

the quilboar managerie combo is so busted. Like combine that beast that doubles your bloodgem power with the quilboars that give a minion of each type +1/+1 when a bloodgem is played WITH the one that casts a bloodgem on everything is nuts.

+3 to the board is awesome, but assuming non-golden, you realize that isn't that much more powerful than just having a lightfang, right? (Until you play extra bloodgems, anyway.)

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Honestly I like Flattusk more than Charlga for the Menagerie stuff since you get a guaranteed income for Blood Gems to put on the one guy. That makes it scale quickly

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azuarc posted...

+3 to the board is awesome, but assuming non-golden, you realize that isn't that much more powerful than just having a lightfang, right? (Until you play extra bloodgems, anyway.)

I think my final set up was Mythrax (golden), The taunt pirate (golden), Boar, Chalga (golden), Aggem, Sneeds, Crackling Cyclone. I was playing zephyrs.

i beat a strong quilboar board with golden mythrax, two maexxna, a poisonous spore, ghastcoiler, golden hungry dragon, and golden glyph guardian

he way outstatted me, by multiples, but the triple poison let mythrax clear the way

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KokoroAkechi posted...

I think my final set up was Mythrax (golden), The taunt pirate (golden), Boar, Chalga (golden), Aggem, Sneeds, Crackling Cyclone. I was playing zephyrs.

The Boar with Charlga was giving your board +4. Aggem was giving five members of your board +1, unless you were generating extra bloodgems somehow. If you kept all seven of those, though, sounds like your board was basically locked.

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Oh, one of the dev's tweeted about 5 nerfs, and 10 (yes, 10) buffs in the next patch

My guess is there's a lot of archetypes they wanted to play around with that just kinda fell flat so they're trying to bring them back up again

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In battlegrounds or on ladder?

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azuarc posted...

In battlegrounds or on ladder?

Constructed.

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5 nerfs...can probably guess a few.

Spring Water, First Day of School feel likely. Maybe Sword of the Fallen. Maybe Incanter's Flow. Some people seem to expect a Hysteria nerf, and I could see it. Possibly some stuff from wild (maybe sorc apprentice will finally get hit).

Buffs...really hard to call. I'll just list out some low power cards

DH: IDK, Kutrus Ashfallen maybe?

Druid: Guff Runetotem and Plaguemaw the Rotting and Living Seed?

Hunter: Caravan?

Mage: plenty of garbage cards like Rimetongue and Arcane Luminary. People on twitter are calling for ping mage buffs, but I don't see an obvious way to buff that deck. Maybe wildfire could cost 1? Wild Even Mage players would be sad about that change, though.

Paladin: Caravan could use a buff. Nobody is playing Veteran Warmedic. Cannonmaster Smythe has been abandoned. Almost nobody is playing Invigorating Sermon. Paladin probably only gets nerfs, though--maybe Veteran Warmedic?

Priest: I have no read on this at all. Even the Caravan is being played a little bit. They were probably expecting more from Void Flayer and Serena Bloodfeather, so maybe those two?

Rogue: There's a few cards that aren't played much like Oil Rig Ambusher and Scabbs Cutterbutter, but I don't really want to see those cards buffed. Maybe I wouldn't mind a Yoink buff, but IDK what buffing that card would accomplish.

Shaman: IDK just buff a bunch of stuff lol. Caravan sucks obviously. Probably something from the elemental package--thinking Lillypad Lurker (maybe becomes 4 mana). Probably something from the murloc package--honestly the class murlocs are fine, maybe some neutral murlocs. Maybe Coldlight Seer becomes a 3/3 or something--now that warleader is wild only, can probably beef up neutral support a bit.

Warlock: Caravan sucks. Self-mill warlock sucks (Altar of Fire and Soul Rend could probably be buffed by a full mana or something).

Warrior: Hmm...I mean the class is probably a little on the strong side now, but I'm not seeing really obvious candidates for buffs or nerfs (nerf bumper car? nerf stage dive? IDK). Least played cards are Warsong Envoy and Whirling Combatant, so maybe those two?

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Was waiting for the MC analysis. First Day of School seems likely and a good choice. I'd love to see a Hysteria nerf, because that card is poorly designed and is a menace in Arena. Interested to see if Tickatus is nerfed or not. I'm guess no, but a lot of speculation seems to be leaning towards yes. Warlock is already in a bad spot and needs help. The biggest buff Demon Hunter could get is Paladin being nerfed.

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So with more info we know two nerfs are neutrals with one a murloc which confirms Crabrider.

My guesses for the other four are Mankrik, Flow, First Day and either Blessing of Authority or Conviction. Think they nerf two Pally cards


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Also @skullbone please make the next topic before someone else does

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New topic up!

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Good

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