Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1366

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OrangeCrush980
04/27/21 4:12:11 PM
#151:


I'd take Ultimate over Melee in a direct match, but I'd feel nervous about it. I think Melee has fallen at least a bit since 2015 while Ultimate is a bigger deal than Brawl and SSB4 were at their heights, and due to Brawl beating Melee we know that Melee has trouble with whatever the latest Smash Bros game is. Still, if Melee can pull off another big rally then that's that.
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MetalmindStats
04/27/21 7:22:16 PM
#152:


OrangeCrush980 posted...
while Ultimate is a bigger deal than Brawl and SSB4 were at their heights
Relative to Brawl, I doubt that's the case here on GameFAQs, by sheer definition of us being a bunch of 30-year-olds who basically only play single-player games. Brawl certainly looks like the bigger deal at its peak based on the two games' respective GotD performances, and there's no argument to be had about prestige impacting that when both were lacking in it relative to other elites of their fields.

As for the Xenoblade point, I'm inclined to think that the series that played a crucial role in popularizing Xenoblade would have SFF'd the latter in a neutral match - quite like Ultimate > Mario Odyssey and quite unlike Mario > Charizard.

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KamikazePotato
04/27/21 7:25:54 PM
#153:


Peak Brawl is Peak Smash Bros. We're never reaching that again.

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Leonhart4
04/27/21 8:20:59 PM
#154:


Xenoblade was probably riding a bandwagon by the time it hit Smash, so that probably helped it resist SFF.

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MetalmindStats
04/27/21 8:24:18 PM
#155:


Leonhart4 posted...
Xenoblade was probably riding a bandwagon by the time it hit Smash, so that probably helped it resist SFF.
Yeah, that was my point - that we can take the Smash/Xenoblade match at face value because the latter's bandwagon roughly canceled out the SFF it otherwise would have received.

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Advokaiser
04/27/21 11:06:29 PM
#156:


KamikazePotato posted...
Peak Brawl is Peak Smash Bros. We're never reaching that again.

Agreed.

Never have I seen a game being more extremely hyped in history.

SMB3 and FFVIIR were kind of close, though.

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LeonhartFour
04/27/21 11:08:05 PM
#157:


Nah, neither of those games was close to Brawl. Mario 3 was too early in video game history. It was the first game with a major hype campaign though.

And FFVIIR wasn't that big either. Brawl hype was literally sustained for an entire two years because of the DOJO.

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ctesjbuvf
04/28/21 9:06:41 AM
#158:


The closest things to Brawl might very well be Smash 4 and Ultimate and they're not that close.

FFVIIR had a high peak when that trailer came in 2015 but it didn't exactly keep that going for years.

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Leonhart4
04/28/21 10:49:44 AM
#159:


And there was a lot of skepticism about how good Remake would be and how long it would take to come out.

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charmander6000
04/28/21 11:19:56 AM
#160:


I'd argue Halo 3 was pretty big in terms of hype, even on GameFAQs.

It essentially vaulted Master Chief well into the mid-noble nine tier. Too bad L-Block covered it up with its run.

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Leonhart4
04/28/21 11:22:44 AM
#161:


Halo 3 was definitely a big deal

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AxemRedRanger
04/28/21 12:00:50 PM
#162:


Halo 3 was a big deal and helped Chief a lot but in 1-on-1 without shenanigans Chief would have only been a near-elite.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2921-tournament-quarterfinal-master-chief-luigi-pikachu-dante
54.71% on Dante.
He probably does worse without the Nintendo options but not enough for Dante to win or anything. Chief is Chief but it's not like Dante would have been popular among Nintendo fans either.

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OrangeCrush980
04/28/21 12:11:45 PM
#163:


MetalmindStats posted...
Relative to Brawl, I doubt that's the case here on GameFAQs, by sheer definition of us being a bunch of 30-year-olds who basically only play single-player games. Brawl certainly looks like the bigger deal at its peak based on the two games' respective GotD performances, and there's no argument to be had about prestige impacting that when both were lacking in it relative to other elites of their fields.


Yeah, that's fair. I forgot about all of the DOJO hype + just how hard it is for newer games to do anything on this site.

I think Ultimate still probably beats Melee, even if it takes resorting to rSFF to do so. I think a lot of people would have trouble voting for Melee when Ultimate is objectively the better game, even if they like Melee more regardless.
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LinkMarioSamus
04/28/21 1:00:27 PM
#164:


But Melee has Break the Targets!

I dunno, maybe the hype for Ultimate is dying down? Just a far out guess on my part.

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Leonhart4
04/28/21 1:05:36 PM
#165:


LinkMarioSamus posted...
But Melee has Break the Targets!

I dunno, maybe the hype for Ultimate is dying down? Just a far out guess on my part.

It did about the same in this poll that it did two years ago

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Advokaiser
04/28/21 1:24:01 PM
#166:


OrangeCrush980 posted...
I think a lot of people would have trouble voting for Melee when Ultimate is objectively the better game, even if they like Melee more regardless.

If I were you, I'd be really careful saying this among Smash fans.

The reason Melee remains so strong is because an astounding amount of people think the opposite.

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LinkMarioSamus
04/28/21 2:06:44 PM
#167:


Leonhart4 posted...
It did about the same in this poll that it did two years ago

I was obliquely trying to reference one KingK stream I happened on where he ranted about Ultimate not having some modes from past Smash games.

Didn't Sakurai say Ultimate had to re-use a lot of assets from Smash 4 for such a big game to be remotely completed on time?

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Advokaiser
04/28/21 2:38:57 PM
#168:


LinkMarioSamus posted...
Didn't Sakurai say Ultimate had to re-use a lot of assets from Smash 4 for such a big game to be remotely completed on time?

Smash 4's graphics barely needed any improvement, and it already had a lot of functional material to work with.

Ultimate is basically Smash 4, but bigger and better.

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redrocket
04/28/21 3:48:23 PM
#170:


Is there literally any reason whatsoever to prefer Smash 4 over Ultimate?

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Advokaiser
04/28/21 4:15:59 PM
#171:


redrocket posted...
Is there literally any reason whatsoever to prefer Smash 4 over Ultimate?

As far as I'm concerned, some people really liked Smash Run and some other gimmicks, and the online is considered better (for what little that's worth). I'd personally add messing around with broken Cloud and Bayo to the list, but I think most people rather forget about it completely.

If that's enough reason to prefer it, though, I don't know.

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snake_5036
04/28/21 5:02:57 PM
#172:


redrocket posted...
Is there literally any reason whatsoever to prefer Smash 4 over Ultimate?
people that like platforming modes, since smash 4 has smash run on 3ds. some people are also still ass mad about losing trophies, and there's an even smaller sect of pro players that are upset that Smash Ultimate doesn't have useless advanced techs like bidou tech

bayonetta players also predictably prefer smash 4 but they don't count

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pjbasis
04/28/21 10:48:46 PM
#173:


Is there any reason to prefer Street Fighter II over SFV?


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LeonhartFour
04/28/21 10:50:54 PM
#174:


pjbasis posted...
Is there any reason to prefer Street Fighter II over SFV?

nah this is more like you're asking if there's a reason to prefer Super Street Fighter II over Super Turbo

and I guess kinda but there's a reason why the latter is considered a definitive version and the other is not

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pjbasis
04/28/21 10:52:36 PM
#175:


Smash 4 and Smash Ultimate have different mechanics and feel entirely different to play imo. It's not simply faster.

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LeonhartFour
04/28/21 10:54:08 PM
#176:


pjbasis posted...
Smash 4 and Smash Ultimate have different mechanics and feel entirely different to play imo. It's not simply faster.

Super Turbo is also a very different game mechanically from Super, but it's a much closer analog than SF2 to SF5.

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pjbasis
04/28/21 10:55:58 PM
#177:


Well I was just going extreme to prove a point.

Then again people also acting like you can only like melee for emotional reasons even though it's a completely different beast than future smash games mechanically.

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LeonhartFour
04/28/21 10:56:59 PM
#178:


Nah, Melee is definitely the Super Turbo in this equation. Ultimate is more like...Street Fighter IV than Street Fighter V though.

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pjbasis
04/28/21 11:01:29 PM
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LeonhartFour
04/28/21 11:03:56 PM
#180:


Nah, it's probably more like Alpha in that every game since has kinda built on it rather than Melee, like how future SF games have built on Alpha more than 2.

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pjbasis
04/28/21 11:49:10 PM
#181:


I never thought of Alpha like that before. but it makes sense.

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Advokaiser
04/29/21 2:43:50 PM
#182:


I've never grasped the appeal of Street Fighter II in general. No combos, super-slow gameplay, no special moves...

Granted, I was pretty confused about which version was the best one, so it wasn't until just a few years ago that I tried Super Street Fighter II and it was sort of decent (thought for a long time that Turbo was supposed to be better than Super). Haven't played Super Street Fighter II Turbo, though, which I suppose it's the definitive edition.

I also grew up with Marvel vs. Street Fighter and Marvel vs. Capcom, so the difference is enormous.

Street Fighter III is where it's at for classic, 2D fighting games, though. It has the perfect balance of fast gameplay, demanding skill, and varied movepools.

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Leonhart4
04/29/21 2:45:01 PM
#183:


Generally speaking Turbo and Super Turbo are considered the best versions of SF2

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BlAcK TuRtLe
05/04/21 10:53:26 PM
#184:


So what are the chances we ever get another contest with the new ownership?

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AxemRedRanger
05/05/21 2:33:03 PM
#185:


I hadn't even known there was new ownership until you said that and I looked things up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNET
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Ventures

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OrangeCrush980
05/05/21 7:53:06 PM
#186:


For the last several years we've gotten a contest once every ~18 months, so we won't be able to tell until around the end of this year.
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BlAcK TuRtLe
05/05/21 8:09:03 PM
#187:


After they did something to cause the majority of the original Giant Bomb crew to leave after the acquisition, I don't have faith that these Red Vulture assclowns have any idea what they're doing

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Advokaiser
05/05/21 8:52:24 PM
#188:


Hey, hey, relax, BT.

We're barely shifting to a brand new staff here and you're already attacking them? Let's give them the benefit of the doubt.

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LusterSoldier
05/07/21 12:15:00 AM
#189:


Totally tracking today's poll because it is known for having strong trends in previous re-runs.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/8449-
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LusterSoldier
05/10/21 12:44:54 AM
#190:


Apparently, there was a recent change to the polls in which you cannot see the poll graphs on any poll that is still in progress. It is only after the poll ends that the poll graph data becomes public and the graphs can be viewed. This seems like a weird change to make, though I guess it could be used during a contest to potentially see whether someone's attempt to cheat a contest poll is actually working.
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abdou
05/10/21 7:29:02 AM
#191:


I will interpret this as SBAllen getting ready for a contest


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LusterSoldier
05/10/21 11:32:07 PM
#192:


abdou posted...
I will interpret this as SBAllen getting ready for a contest


Although weirdly enough, we've still got about 30 minutes left in today's poll and I see the poll graphs are already visible. So what I reported in my previous post was either unintended, or the poll graph data goes public after the poll reaches a specific number of votes (maybe like 10000 or so) or after running for a certain amount of time first.
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LusterSoldier
05/11/21 12:25:49 AM
#193:


Looks like that poll graph thing was unintended after all, since today's poll already has the poll graph data public as soon as the poll got enough votes to begin showing Geolocation results.
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Advokaiser
05/11/21 6:50:22 PM
#194:


So how strong do you think Lady Dimitrescu will be in the next CB?

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Mac Arrowny
05/11/21 8:11:11 PM
#195:


9.6% on Link
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Advokaiser
05/11/21 8:27:58 PM
#196:


Mac Arrowny posted...
9.6% on Link

Link doesn't count anymore. He's ascended SS-Tier status.

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LeonhartFour
05/11/21 8:28:48 PM
#197:


Link is always the standard.

(and he's not as far above the rest of the field as he used to be, honestly; he's just separated himself from the rest of the Noble Nine)

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KamikazePotato
05/11/21 8:30:03 PM
#198:


Yeah, Link is weaker than he used to be. It's just that he used to have competition in Cloud and Sephiroth, and those two have fallen off a cliff compared to their glory days.

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AxemRedRanger
05/11/21 9:58:36 PM
#199:


2010 - 2013 (presumably until BotW came out really) Link was pretty feeble by Link standards, yeah, but 60/40ing a Cloud on par with Mario like he did in 2018 seems about what peak Link is supposed to do.

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LeonhartFour
05/11/21 10:08:49 PM
#200:


AxemRedRanger posted...
2010 - 2013 (presumably until BotW came out really) Link was pretty feeble by Link standards, yeah, but 60/40ing a Cloud on par with Mario like he did in 2018 seems about what peak Link is supposed to do.

In 2018, 82 characters were worth 20%+ on Link, and that's without even adjusting for SFF at all. 21 were worth 30% or more.

In 2004, 37 characters were worth 20%+ on Link. Only 12 were worth 30% or more.

So yeah, while Link is stronger relative to the Noble Nine (although it's mainly relative to Cloud and Seph. He's almost always been able to put up 60%+ on any other Noble Niner, even if there's SFF involved), he's weaker relative to the rest of the field. He definitely gets anti-voted because he "always wins" like Cloud and Seph used to now.

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