Current Events > If being a transsexual does not give a significantly massive advantage in sports

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How come it's always the mtf that are breaking all the world records and destroying the competition?

How come the majority of ftm get destroyed and can't even get in to participate from lack of ability?

Can you explain why MMA had to immediately stop letting mtf transsexuals compete because they were literally either killing or making the women they were fighting brain dead? I mean if they have the same performance how is that possible?

Look we don't need special transsexual competitions. We don't need to say transsexuals aren't girls or are not boys.

The solution is pretty simple.

We could call them the XY and XX leagues.

The XY league could let literally anyone in.

The XX league could only allow those with the last set of their chromosomes being XX

Well, I can't dismiss it for unoriginality.

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Speaking of chromosomes, do you have an extra one?

there's definitely a sad agenda in play when you pretty much only see mtf fighting to join the women's team instead of ftm fighting to join the men's team.

"but but D I S C R I M I N A T I O N!!!!"

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How brave and bold TC is, punching down on trans people.

Truly, a champion in the face of adversity. But which I mean being a halfway decent person.

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ArchNemo posted...

ha!
that was almost identical to my first moderation


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@gunplagirl

How brave and bold TC is, punching down on trans people.

Truly, a champion in the face of adversity. But which I mean being a halfway decent person.

Did you know a lot of the hormones and drugs transsexuals take, are some of the same drugs that are not allowed for boosting performance in regular players? That they get exceptions to take them.

Not just that but that your last set of chromosomes completely decide the type of body you grow? For example a XXY makes a huge giant human that can't breed.

The entire physical structure of the body is different. No pills or hormones can change this.

I am not arguing against their rights. I'm arguing logical truth.

OnlyTheTruth posted...

Can you explain why MMA had to immediately stop letting mtf transsexuals compete because they were literally either killing or making the women they were fighting brain dead? I mean if they have the same performance how is that possible?

source

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This needed another topic

OnlyTheTruth posted...

For example a XXY makes a huge giant human that can't breed.

Suddenly, Attack on Titan makes perfect sense.

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OnlyTheTruth posted...

@gunplagirl
Did you know a lot of the hormones and drugs transsexuals take, are some of the same drugs that are not allowed for boosting performance in regular players? That they get exceptions to take them.

Since you're obviously referring to mtf I don't think anyone has ever taken estrogen to boost their performance in sports.

If they have they're not cheating right.

ArchNemo posted...

Since you're obviously referring to mtf I don't think anyone has ever taken estrogen to boost their performance in sports.

If they have they're not cheating right.

Too much estrogen either makes the body convert it into testosterone but the actual composition will make most people sick... Or more likely, it just starts to eat at their bones. Oh, and the risk of blood clots rises if it's a chemical variety and not the bio-identical kind.

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Holy hell, its obvious ya'll are intimidated by woman.

I know MULTIPLE cis woman that would be my ass down.

And just to play along; I also know a transwoman who was in the Army for 8 years who would take them down. But it's the training that matters. Ffs.

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ArchNemo posted...

Since you're obviously referring to mtf I don't think anyone has ever taken estrogen to boost their performance in sports.

If they have they're not cheating right.

Actually the estrogens, progestogens, and gonadotropin inducers all give them a advantage.

it's the antiandrogens that they argue makes it "fair." While this has no scientific reality outside of politics.

You should perhaps look up the effects of estrogen before suggesting it makes you weaker.

gunplagirl posted...

How brave and bold TC is, punching down on trans people.

Truly, a champion in the face of adversity. But which I mean being a halfway decent person.

Why wouldn't a xy league work?

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SolidShadow3 posted...

Holy hell, its obvious ya'll are intimidated by woman.

I know MULTIPLE cis woman that would be my ass down.

And just to play along; I also know a transwoman who was in the Army for 8 years who would take them down. But it's the training that matters. Ffs.

Comparing a well trained physical fit women to a out of shape lazy male, is not comparative to a well trained physically fit women to a well trained physically fit mtf transexual who grew a male body to peak health for 22 years.

muchdran posted...

Why wouldn't a xy league work?

Before I answer that, may I ask how long ago you got your genotype and phenotype tested for, as well as what the results were.

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How does this work with swimming and the extra hole?

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R1masher posted...

How does this work with swimming and the extra hole?

I don't understand this statement?

OnlyTheTruth posted...

I don't understand this statement?

it was a question not a statement

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cymbaline posted...

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The weird culture on gamefaqs that created the idea that if someone hasn't been apart of their "club" for decades that their ideas are not worth discussing is quite silly.

To me when I see someone who has "+2,000 karma." Instead of thinking "damn I can trust their opinion!" I think "Damn that poor lonely person, is this all they have in life?"

OnlyTheTruth posted...

Comparing a well trained physical fit women to a out of shape lazy male, is not comparative to a well trained physically fit women to a well trained physically fit mtf transexual who grew a male body to peak health for 22 years.

I'm not out of shape, good on you for making assumptions. It's the fact they've trained for a fight and I've only down street brawls/body boxing with friends.

Skill determines way more than physical attributes. And the physical attributes between a trans woman who's been on hormone therapy vs a biological woman are negligent. Ya'll seem to think tans woman entering sports are akin to what southpark literally made fun of. It's sad.

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OnlyTheTruth posted...

The weird culture on gamefaqs that created the idea that if someone hasn't been apart of their "club" for decades that their ideas are not worth discussing is quite silly.

To me when I see someone who has "+2,000 karma." Instead of thinking "damn I can trust their opinion!" I think "Damn that poor lonely person, is this all they have in life?"

When people have nothing of value to say, they usually default to posting user info as a "gotcha!"

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OnlyTheTruth posted...

The weird culture on gamefaqs that created the idea that if someone hasn't been apart of their "club" for decades that their ideas are not worth discussing is quite silly.

To me when I see someone who has "+2,000 karma." Instead of thinking "damn I can trust their opinion!" I think "Damn that poor lonely person, is this all they have in life?"

Do you have anything better to do than troll a dying video game message board?

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Flauros posted...

When people have nothing of value to say, they usually default to posting user info as a "gotcha!"

It's an easy way to dismiss someone who has nothing of value to say. Typically someone who keeps getting suspended or banned.

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Who posted

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cymbaline posted...

Do you have anything better to do than troll a dying video game message board?

Nah, he thinks his username means something.

Just a tip OTT; your username means as much as mine. (I'm not made out of pure shadow, incase you need that spelled out for you).

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Maybe if kids going though puberty who want to transition should get on hormone blockers right away. Maybe that shouldn't be demonized by the same people whining about the advantage mtf people have.

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SolidShadow3 posted...

I'm not out of shape, good on you for making assumptions. It's the fact they've trained for a fight and I've only down street brawls/body boxing with friends.

Skill determines way more than physical attributes. And the physical attributes between a trans woman who's been on hormone therapy vs a biological woman are negligent. Ya'll seem to think tans woman entering sports are akin to what southpark literally made fun of. It's sad.

Having been in the Marine Corps for 8 years, I can tell you. You are full of shit. You won't find tougher stronger women. Even the ones who did the MCMAP's mma program. Didn't stop them from getting raped or beat by their husbands/boyfriends.

The idea women and men are similar in strength and build is asinine and ridiculous too the extreme.

creativerealms posted...

Maybe if kids going though puberty who want to transition should get on hormone blockers right away. Maybe that shouldn't be demonized by the same people whining about the advantage mtf people have.

It's actually quite dangerous to block these hormones before and during puberty and can lead to intensely horrifying side effects.

But yes assuming you stopped them before puberty occurred. It would be fair to say the competition was relatively equal.

This is the first I'm hearing of that. sauce pls

my bullshitometer is going off but

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OnlyTheTruth posted...

It's actually quite dangerous to block these hormones before and during puberty and can lead to intensely horrifying side effects.

But yes assuming you stopped them before puberty occurred. It would be fair to say the competition was relatively equal.

Studies have shown the dangers are minimal and safely reversible.


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creativerealms posted...

Studies have shown the dangers are minimal and safely reversible.

You can't reverse things such as a underdeveloped penis and lack on bone mineralization.

Also can you really argue a massive increase in the likelihood of suicide as a minor side effect?

why isn't anyone disputing TCs claims?

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Ah there's the "transition actually makes them kill themselves more" line.

Is The Admiral back on an alt?

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are blind or

ninja'd

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refmon posted...

why isn't anyone disputing TCs claims?

Because most of the refuting comes from articles that are research and evidence based, and as someone said, transphobes don't read.

Either way:

"The same data were extracted from all research articles reviewed (Table 1). Below, we provide the most prominent findings in relation to competitive sport participation from each of these articles. Six research articles were concerned with competitive sport participation within this systematic review [23, 2529]. The only experimental study was by Gooren and Bunck [23] who aimed to explore whether transgender people taking cross-sex hormone treatment can fairly compete in sport. The authors measured transgender peoples muscle mass (via magnetic resonance imaging) and hormone levels (via urine and blood analyses) before and 1 year after cross-sex hormone treatment. They found that 1 year after transgender male individuals had been administered cross-sex hormone treatment, testosterone levels significantly increased and these levels were within a cisgender male range. They also found that 1 year after cross-sex hormone treatment, transgender male individuals muscle mass had increased and was within the same range as transgender female individuals (assigned male at birth) who had not been prescribed cross-sex hormone treatment. In relation to transgender female individuals, Gooren and Bunck found testosterone levels had significantly reduced to castration levels after 1 year of cross-sex hormone treatment. Muscle mass had also reduced after 1 year of cross-sex hormone treatment. However, muscle mass remained significantly greater than in transgender male individuals (assigned female at birth) who had not been prescribed cross-sex hormone treatment.
"The same data were extracted from all research articles reviewed. Below, we provide the most prominent findings in relation to competitive sport participation from each of these articles. Six research articles were concerned with competitive sport participation within this systematic review. The only experimental study was by Gooren and Bunck who aimed to explore whether transgender people taking cross-sex hormone treatment can fairly compete in sport. The authors measured transgender peoples muscle mass (via magnetic resonance imaging) and hormone levels (via urine and blood analyses) before and 1 year after cross-sex hormone treatment. They found that 1 year after transgender male individuals had been administered cross-sex hormone treatment, testosterone levels significantly increased and these levels were within a cisgender male range. They also found that 1 year after cross-sex hormone treatment, transgender male individuals muscle mass had increased and was within the same range as transgender female individuals (assigned male at birth) who had not been prescribed cross-sex hormone treatment. In relation to transgender female individuals, Gooren and Bunck found testosterone levels had significantly reduced to castration levels after 1 year of cross-sex hormone treatment. Muscle mass had also reduced after 1 year of cross-sex hormone treatment. However, muscle mass remained significantly greater than in transgender male individuals (assigned female at birth) who had not been prescribed cross-sex hormone treatment.

Therefore, Gooren and Bunck concluded that transgender male individuals are likely to be able to compete without an athletic advantage 1-year post-cross-sex hormone treatment. To a certain extent this also applies to transgender female individuals; however, there still remains a level of uncertainty owing to a large muscle mass 1-year post-cross-sex hormones. While this study was the first to explore, experimentally, whether transgender people can compete fairly, the sample size was relatively small (n = 36). Additionally, they did not explore the role of testosterone blockers and did not directly measure the effect cross-sex hormones had on athletic performance (e.g. running time). Many, but not all, transgender female individuals are prescribed testosterone blockers to help them to reach cisgender female testosterone levels, when administration of oestrogen alone is not enough to reduce testosterone levels. This is particularly important if the person aims to undergo gender-confirming surgery, as 6 months of testosterone suppression is a requirement for such procedures. However, if a transgender woman does not wish to undergo surgery or does not wish to have their testosterone blocked to cisgender female levels (e.g. as they wish to use their penis), their testosterone levels will be above cisgender female levels. Differentiating not only between those taking cross-sex hormones and not taking cross-sex hormones, but also transgender female individuals taking testosterone blockers, may be necessary when discussing an athletic advantage."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5357259/

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It just comes across to me as wanting to harm Trans-people. Keep them from transitioning early under the guise of worry then attacking them for theor looks after they had to transition after puberty, which they were not even allowed to halt temporarily. Seems this is about keeping peoplw from transitioning and forcing them to be normal.

Let me guess the TC also thinks Lesbians are vanishing because women are becoming men?

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He quotes study that did trial on 36 people. In trial they openly admit to not testing on people with already developed large muscle mass.

Says I don't read xD when clearly they didn't.

I hate to break it to you.

But comparing 16 mtf to 16 ftm and saying they have the same muscle strength is a stupid joke.

Mtf gonna to be weak and scrawny compared to normal guys who grew up playing sports and trying to be big and healthy.

While ftm are going to be extra strong and built from actively trying to be more male like in diet and exercise.

So a study comparing them then saying they had similar builds is a joke.

creativerealms posted...

It just comes across to me as wanting to harm Trans-people. Keep them from transitioning early under the guise of worry then attacking them for theor looks after they had to transition after puberty, which they were not even allowed to halt temporarily. Seems this is about keeping peoplw from transitioning and forcing them to be normal.

Let me guess the TC also thinks Lesbians are vanishing because women are becoming men?

That's exactly what it is, the intent is always to hurt trans people. Heck, the super high suicide rates among conversion therapy recipients is considered a bonus by plenty of the people who advocate for it.

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either stop posting
or answer the man's questions

u guys are giving him what he wants

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OnlyTheTruth posted...

He quotes study that did trial on 36 people. In trial they openly admit to not testing on people with already developed large muscle mass.

Says I don't read xD when clearly they didn't.

This guy is destroying everyone itt with facts . The rest of you need to get over it and accept the truth

gunplagirl posted...

That's exactly what it is, the intent is always to hurt trans people. Heck, the super high suicide rates among conversion therapy recipients is considered a bonus by plenty of the people who advocate for it.

They love to quote that Swedish study that proves the exact opposite of what they think and actually recommends gender transition. The news sites that misrepresented the study failed to mention that.

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i have never, ever seen a person that was worked up over transgender athletes and "athletic integrity" who wasn't just thinly veiling their transphobia

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gunplagirl posted...

That's exactly what it is, the intent is always to hurt trans people. Heck, the super high suicide rates among conversion therapy recipients is considered a bonus by plenty of the people who advocate for it.

Ur opinions in this subject don't count since you obv have a bias agenda. We need people who aren't in it emotionally to try and give facts.

Tragik posted...

This guy is destroying everyone itt with facts . The rest of you need to get ove

tagged as alt #3

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OnlyTheTruth posted...

He quotes study that did trial on 36 people. In trial they openly admit to not testing on people with already developed large muscle mass.

Says I don't read xD when clearly they didn't.

I hate to break it to you.

But comparing 16 mtf to 16 ftm and saying they have the same muscle strength is a stupid joke.

Mtf gonna to be weak and scrawny compared to normal guys who grew up playing sports and trying to be big and healthy.

While ftm are going to be extra strong and built from actively trying to be more male like in diet and exercise.

So a study comparing them then saying they had similar builds is a joke.

Except, read the entire article, that excerpt is an early study but it's easing readers into the article. Regardless, there is no conclusive evidence, direct or consistent research that show the trans athletes have significant advantages.

You can't actually prove it.

O.K, so you actually can't read, if that second portion is what you're taking away from the excerpt.

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