Poll of the Day > Does it take intelligence to enjoy beer?

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Greenfox111
01/18/21 3:17:31 PM
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Anyone can drink a beer, but it takes intelligence to enjoy beer. -Stephen Beaumont, Author


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IronBornCorps
01/18/21 3:19:04 PM
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Sounds a little pretentious to be honest
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GrabASnickers
01/18/21 3:19:31 PM
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To be fair, you have to have a high IQ to understand beer

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LinkPizza
01/18/21 3:20:47 PM
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IronBornCorps posted...
Sounds a little pretentious to be honest

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SunWuKung420
01/18/21 3:28:55 PM
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Beer can be very complex.

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JigsawTDC
01/18/21 3:33:33 PM
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This topic is Sunny bait if I ever saw it.
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GunslingerGunsl
01/18/21 3:40:21 PM
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IronBornCorps posted...
Sounds a little pretentious to be honest

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Shadowbird_RH
01/18/21 3:46:37 PM
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Probably a little drunk, mixed up his words. The word he was looking for wasn't 'takes', but 'costs'.

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Raddest_Chad
01/18/21 3:55:55 PM
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Enjoyment is increasingly found in stupid people. Smart people have enough going on to be perpetually miserable.

Remember Homer with the crayon in his brain?
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Mead
01/18/21 3:58:58 PM
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Why the fuck would you need to be intelligent to enjoy the taste of a beverage I hope somebody kicked that author really hard in the nuts and then did a stone cold stunner on him

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Joshs Name
01/18/21 4:10:17 PM
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I agree some amount of sapient intelligence may be required to enjoy beer

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adjl
01/18/21 4:12:24 PM
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It does take a certain degree of intelligence to be a beer enthusiast. There are many factors that go into examining a beer (or any food/drink, really) in enthusiast-level detail, and remembering all of them and considering how they relate to each other is a fairly complex endeavour that requires the imbiber to be able to draw connections between what they are perceiving and their pre-existing knowledge (which, broadly, is arguably the best way to define intelligence).

Suggesting that beer enthusiasts are the only ones that enjoy beer, however, is pretentious nonsense and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to periodically talk to a human being outside of their elitist circle jerk for a reality check.

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DMX99
01/18/21 4:30:57 PM
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to be honest, i cant taste the difference between different brands of wine, all red wine taste the same, all white wine taste the same etc. if you gave me a $15 and a $200 champagne, i wouldnt even be able to tell the difference.
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Zeus
01/18/21 4:38:55 PM
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Greenfox111 posted...
Anyone can drink a beer, but it takes intelligence to enjoy beer. -Stephen Beaumont, Author

I'm sure he also feels that it takes intelligence to enjoy huffing glue.

adjl posted...
It does take a certain degree of intelligence to be a beer enthusiast. There are many factors that go into examining a beer (or any food/drink, really) in enthusiast-level detail, and remembering all of them and considering how they relate to each other is a fairly complex endeavour that requires the imbiber to be able to draw connections between what they are perceiving and their pre-existing knowledge (which, broadly, is arguably the best way to define intelligence).

That's not really "intelligence," though. Knowledgeable, perhaps. Maybe even "sophistication" if you want to stretch the term. But intelligence? Not really.

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adjl
01/18/21 4:42:38 PM
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Zeus posted...
That's not really "intelligence," though. Knowledgeable, perhaps. Maybe even "sophistication" if you want to stretch the term. But intelligence? Not really.

Intelligence in the sense of being able to relate pieces of information to each other (which, again, is arguably the best definition for the term in a broad sense)? Sure it is. It's not simply knowing stuff, it's being able to identify and appreciate the relationships between that stuff.

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SunWuKung420
01/18/21 4:44:41 PM
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Zeus posted...


I'm sure he also feels that it takes intelligence to enjoy huffing glue.
There is so little intelligence in this statement.

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Muscles
01/18/21 5:40:57 PM
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Beer is trash tier alcohol

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ReturnOfFa
01/18/21 5:45:15 PM
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No.

I really like the taste of beer but rarely drink these days. It's just a drink. With alcohol. People are very protective of it and others are very dismissive of it.

Even drinking 1 beer a day starts to effect my mood. I prefer to enjoy one or three once every few months.

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Mead
01/18/21 5:57:40 PM
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Muscles posted...
Beer is trash tier alcohol

Guess thats why its been so popular for literally tens of thousands of years

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TonyCIifton
01/18/21 5:58:41 PM
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No, but I do think its stupid when people only like one type of beer. Like when someone says I only will drink IPAs because they make my palate happy or something cringe like that.
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Muscles
01/18/21 6:03:41 PM
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Mead posted...
Guess thats why its been so popular for literally tens of thousands of years
Popularity and quality are 2 different things

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Mead
01/18/21 6:17:55 PM
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Muscles posted...
Popularity and quality are 2 different things

And youve clearly been drinking some shit quality beer

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adjl
01/18/21 6:43:44 PM
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Mead posted...
Guess thats why its been so popular for literally tens of thousands of years

I mean, its popularity throughout most of history has less to do with making high-quality products and more to do with how easy it was to cultivate grain and use it to produce sterile beverages (or at least beverages that were more safe to drink than water). Beer brewing in the "make interesting products that people will enjoy drinking" sense is a relatively recent concept. Heck, beer only really became popular in the US after prohibition ended. Prior to prohibition, cider was most Americans' drink of choice (Johnny Appleseed planted apple trees on the frontier not to provide people with apples to eat, but to give them apples to make cider with so they could have something safe to drink), but after prohibition forced most of the cider apple orchards to close (cider apples generally differing from eating apples), it was easier to ramp up grain production to brew beer than to resume cider production on the same scale, allowing beer to take over that niche.

That said, lolmuscles.

Mead posted...
And youve clearly been drinking some shit quality beer

To be fair, as much as "beer" refers to an incredibly wide range of flavours, there some common elements between all of them that some people just aren't going to like. If he really doesn't like the basic flavour of malt, you can't really get completely away from that (and if you can, you might as well just drink something that doesn't try so hard to pretend not to be beer instead), so disliking beer as a whole is reasonable enough. Of course, trying to generalize that into any sort of objective criticism is something most people learn not to do by the approximate age of 8, so...

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GrabASnickers
01/18/21 6:49:12 PM
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Tens of thousands of years is a bit of a stretch
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SunWuKung420
01/18/21 6:52:50 PM
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GrabASnickers posted...
Tens of thousands of years is a bit of a stretch
There is 13,000 year old archeological evidence of beer production.

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Metalsonic66
01/18/21 6:56:54 PM
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adjl posted...
Johnny Appleseed planted apple trees on the frontier not to provide people with apples to eat, but to give them apples to make cider with so they could have something safe to drink
The Disney version left that part out lol

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Zeus
01/18/21 6:59:43 PM
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adjl posted...
I mean, its popularity throughout most of history has less to do with making high-quality products and more to do with how easy it was to cultivate grain and use it to produce sterile beverages (or at least beverages that were more safe to drink than water). Beer brewing in the "make interesting products that people will enjoy drinking" sense is a relatively recent concept. Heck, beer only really became popular in the US after prohibition ended. Prior to prohibition, cider was most Americans' drink of choice (Johnny Appleseed planted apple trees on the frontier not to provide people with apples to eat, but to give them apples to make cider with so they could have something safe to drink), but after prohibition forced most of the cider apple orchards to close (cider apples generally differing from eating apples), it was easier to ramp up grain production to brew beer than to resume cider production on the same scale, allowing beer to take over that niche.

Plus isn't it cheaper than other alcohol options?

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Mead
01/18/21 7:08:57 PM
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GrabASnickers posted...
Tens of thousands of years is a bit of a stretch

We dont exactly know, its at least as old as early human civilization

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adjl
01/18/21 7:11:35 PM
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GrabASnickers posted...
Tens of thousands of years is a bit of a stretch

There's evidence that grain fermentation arose independently in multiple different civilizations throughout history, going back easily that far. It's actually theorized that grain agriculture arose not to produce grain for eating, but for fermentation, with edible cereals following shortly after and breads even later. The beer that was produced that way would have been substantially weaker than we're used to, and probably not particularly flavourful, but it was safer than drinking untreated water, and that made it essential for denser societies to start to form.

Zeus posted...
Plus isn't it cheaper than other alcohol options?

Depends entirely what you're comparing. In terms dollars per unit volume, generally, since it tends to be purchased in larger volumes than other drinks, but in terms of dollars per unit of alcohol, you can often do much better than beer by buying cheap spirits (especially compared to decent beers).

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ReturnOfFa
01/18/21 7:13:20 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
There is 13,000 year old archeological evidence of beer production.
Plus when we were apes, we were getting wasted on fermented fruit!

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GrabASnickers
01/18/21 7:16:32 PM
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Well 13,000 is only slightly more than ten. If you wanted to be pedantic about it I think "tens" is minimum 20 but I think of it as being like 40 at least. Then you got the question of "popular"!

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Mead
01/18/21 7:19:22 PM
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GrabASnickers posted...
Well 13,000 is only slightly more than ten. If you wanted to be pedantic about it I think "tens" is minimum 20 but I think of it as being like 40 at least. Then you got the question of "popular"!

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SunWuKung420
01/18/21 7:20:10 PM
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GrabASnickers posted...
Well 13,000 is only slightly more than ten. If you wanted to be pedantic about it I think "tens" is minimum 20 but I think of it as being like 40 at least. Then you got the question of "popular"!
It's highly probable it existed before 13000 years ago though.

They estimate that Americans drank 6.3 billion gallons of beer in 2018.

So clearly, a popular beverage, worldwide.

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GrabASnickers
01/18/21 7:30:27 PM
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I wasn't denying that it was popular now, I meant over the lifetime of its existence. But it's not important
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adjl
01/18/21 7:38:27 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
Plus when we were apes, we were getting wasted on fermented fruit!

Though that was more a matter of overripe fruit having more bioavailable sugars in it and therefore being a prized find for any forager/scavenger. Getting wasted was just a fun bonus effect.

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adjl
01/18/21 7:51:18 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
They estimate that Americans drank 6.3 billion gallons of beer in 2018.

So clearly, a popular beverage, worldwide.

While I don't think it's at all necessary to prove that beer is popular worldwide (that's very obvious common knowledge, after all), I should point out that that statistic does not prove such a point. Beer consumption in America does nothing to demonstrate its worldwide popularity, and citing the amount of beer Americans drank indicates nothing about its popularity within America unless you also cite the amount of other alcoholic beverages consumed for comparison. There's also room to argue that, if you really want to make that comparison properly, you should be adjusting those figures based on average ABV to better reflect Americans' favourite choice for the purposes of getting drunk (though that might not be entirely reasonable because that figure includes people drinking for taste as well).

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SunWuKung420
01/18/21 7:55:05 PM
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GrabASnickers posted...
I wasn't denying that it was popular now, I meant over the lifetime of its existence. But it's not important
There was definitely a time when beer consumption was very much a necessity.

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Mead
01/18/21 7:57:58 PM
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Fred Flintstone was a raging alcoholic and that took place during the triassic period

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GrabASnickers
01/18/21 8:08:42 PM
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Well I like beer anyway, I'm not trying to be some kind of Zeus or Muscles
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SunWuKung420
01/18/21 8:10:35 PM
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GrabASnickers posted...
Well I like beer anyway, I'm not trying to be some kind of Zeus or Muscles
Zues hates anything fun.

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Muscles
01/18/21 8:11:38 PM
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GrabASnickers posted...
Well I like beer anyway, I'm not trying to be some kind of Zeus or Muscles
That's cool with me, personally it makes me gag at the smell of it but I don't have a problem with beer drinkers (unless they're those douchebag hipster types that only drink locally brewed beer no one ever heard of)

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GrabASnickers
01/18/21 8:15:37 PM
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I like douchebag hipster beer but I've also drank a lot of Coors Light
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SunWuKung420
01/18/21 8:16:57 PM
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Muscles posted...
unless they're those douchebag hipster types that only drink locally brewed beer no one ever heard of

You have a problem with drinking the freshest beer possible?

Or supporting local businesses?

I work at a brewery that's only 1 year old but makes better beer than easily 90% of what's available commercially.

Warm storage of beer is bad for beer.

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Mead
01/18/21 8:17:38 PM
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Muscles posted...
That's cool with me, personally it makes me gag at the smell of it but I don't have a problem with beer drinkers (unless they're those douchebag hipster types that only drink locally brewed beer no one ever heard of)

Craft Beer is the best beer

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Muscles
01/18/21 8:23:00 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
You have a problem with drinking the freshest beer possible?

Or supporting local businesses?

I work at a brewery that's only 1 year old but makes better beer than easily 90% of what's available commercially.

Warm storage of beer is bad for beer.
My issue is that they usually act like they're better than everyone else, obviously that's not every beer enthusiast, I have friends that are beer enthusiasts but they don't try to get on a high horse over it

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adjl
01/18/21 8:23:59 PM
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Muscles posted...
(unless they're those douchebag hipster types that only drink locally brewed beer no one ever heard of)
Muscles posted...
Popularity and quality are 2 different things

I can't be the only one that sees the irony here.

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SunWuKung420
01/18/21 8:25:33 PM
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Muscles posted...
My issue is that they usually act like they're better than everyone else, obviously that's not every beer enthusiast, I have friends that are beer enthusiasts but they don't try to get on a high horse over it
Another local brewery doesn't make good ipas. Their lagers are good. We sampled lionheads new ipa and it was actually better but still not that good.

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Muscles
01/18/21 8:38:05 PM
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adjl posted...
I can't be the only one that sees the irony here.
I don't see how that's ironic, liking something just because it's not well known is just a bad as liking something just because it is well known

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Mead
01/18/21 8:38:45 PM
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It is only acceptable to like things that are mediumly known

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SunWuKung420
01/18/21 8:41:46 PM
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adjl posted...
I can't be the only one that sees the irony here.
Unfortunately, quality is a concept many confuse with cheap and usually fast, and very artificial.

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