Board 8 > Is regular ass OG Gundam still worth watching?

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Punnyz
01/17/21 12:39:37 AM
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Its on Funimation

I remember watching a few eps of it on toonami but I don't remember them, and I think toonami pulled it anyways

my only experience is Gundam Wing and some of G Gundam.

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ninkendo
01/17/21 12:54:52 AM
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it's the only gundam I've watched to completion

I've never had interest in watching the others all that much

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StealThisSheen
01/17/21 12:59:37 AM
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They added it? Nice.

I watched that new prequel about Char and wanted to watch the original but nothing had it.

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pjbasis
01/17/21 1:50:54 AM
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I thought the movies (that were just condensed versions of the tv series) were pretty damn good. I wouldn't mind watching it in a more episodic pace.

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Punnyz
01/17/21 2:00:58 AM
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yea I know those exist, but I probably don't have access to them

but nevertheless, I think I hear the Gurren Lagann movies aren't as good so thats why I asked, also Gundam is like 50 years old

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Punnyz
01/17/21 3:26:09 AM
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I watched the first episode

it did a good job establishing alot of things, the war, Amuro being a nerd and sorta rebellous

it felt good when the Gundam rose and started fighting

I can't believe him taking out the Goombas is actually detrimental to the colony. I feel like hes gonna be killing them by the dozens later and this is gonna be forgotten. He accidentally killed the remaining engineers/Pilots! They were immediately like FUCK, Then Amuro is our only hope .

he had to actually kill the Pilot with a giant ass laser sword lol

talk about overkill, it would've been funnier if he punched the fucking pilot with the giant Gundam fist

Now they're like "We're like....about to die and it was only from 2 Zakus" like they KNOW they fucked up

This is like, 70s right? I wonder how Grisly this was back then. Its pretty tame by today's standards but theres way more death and murdering civilians than I was expecting

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Webbernet
01/17/21 3:42:30 AM
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Get ready for a bloodbath! Ok not really, but people do die in war and they are going for that. Recently saw it all myself.

It was 79 btw

Kai is the best, gotta love the guy who always complains...

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Punnyz
01/17/21 3:58:38 AM
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It reminded me of Valkryia Chronicles

war invaded some back ass woods place and the main character took on a hidden weapon to fight back

maybe VC was slightly inspired by it

is this gonna be like Jojo and I'm gonna see all of the influences once my eyes are open?

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Punnyz
01/17/21 4:09:31 AM
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Webbernet posted...
but people do die in war and they are going for that
I mean, I know

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AxemRedRanger
01/17/21 4:12:37 AM
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70s anime can be surprisingly violent at times! This and some...other scenes in one of the Directors previous works were definitely a step above the norm though.

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Lord Ephraim
01/17/21 5:08:21 AM
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Early Gundams can be ruthless yeah. Especially Zeta and Double Zeta. If you want something like Gundam Wing, you can check out Gundam 00.

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BlackMageJawa
01/17/21 6:03:48 AM
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I watched it recently (first and, to date, only Gundam I've seen). It drags a little in some parts, but on the whole I enjoyed it a lot.
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voltch
01/17/21 6:48:45 AM
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I'd agree on 2nd half of ZZ, but the first half is just goofy kiddy stuff which was a jarring given how much of a contrast it was to Zeta.

That said, in general Gundam series do have a fairly high overall body count, with a few notables for going really above the norm like Victory and IBO
Just a matter of how the violence is shown.

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MariaTaylor
01/17/21 7:38:00 AM
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the movies are awesome and still hold up relatively well. I rate all three of them very highly. the actual episodic series I've heard less good things about, since it has a lot more pointless filler battles and is slowed paced in general. haven't attempted to watch it myself, I think I'd probably be able to enjoy it, but I understand why some people wouldn't. there's a reason why the original TV run failed, but the movies were a huge cultural success.

I think before you watch an old series like this whether you try the movies or TV series you have to go in with the right mindset. character traits and development are a lot more subtle than we are used to in modern writing, pacing tends to be a lot more dry and slow. mobile suit gundam is honestly a series about how war sucks, and how much of a toll it can take on civilians who get dragged into war. but the narrative doesn't beat you over the head with this theme, either. it's about love, grief, revenge, and coming of age during times of extreme stress. about how sometimes you don't even understand why the person you're fighting has to die, but you can't hesitate or you'll risk the lives of the people you know and care about. and sometimes even that isn't enough. I really can't overstate how amazing the themes of the series are conveyed, even if the writing is a bit more clunky by modern standards. the action and visuals are not going to be as impressive as a 2020 anime, but they're pretty impressive for the time when it was made and it's still watchable.

all in all I'd say the movies have a LOT of parallels with the star wars OT; becoming a cultural phenomena, inspiring an entire franchise in their wake, and commonly still considered to be classic all time greats... but there are definitely people who would try to watch it today and be like 'wow this is boring.'

so yeah, proceed at your own risk.


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Punnyz
01/17/21 2:38:43 PM
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Its hard to explain what I meant

I know people die in Gundam. There are pilots in the robots, so when the robos go boom, of course the squishy man fries inside of it

I dunno what I was expecting but I guess because this is an older show, I was not expecting them to show onscreen murdering of civilians and one of the main characters cradling her dead mother in her arms

I watched Speed Racer as a kid too, Speed has a body count too, so I should've saw this coming

I dunno what I'm talkin about

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Punnyz
01/17/21 2:39:15 PM
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I expected Char to be a unreasonable, arrogant douchebag but hes surprisingly level headed

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Punnyz
01/17/21 2:40:22 PM
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voltch posted...
I'd agree on 2nd half of ZZ, but the first half is just goofy kiddy stuff which was a jarring given how much of a contrast it was to Zeta.
I have no idea what you just said to me

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Punnyz
01/17/21 2:49:20 PM
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Ya know, I saw it in the opening

but its weird they have a Guntank

It sorta came out of no where. I thought they only recovered the Gundam


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voltch
01/17/21 2:55:41 PM
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Oh seems like no one mentioned UC.

The original Gundam series is part of something called the Universal Century timeline.

Shows set in that timeline are depicting events at various points in that history.

Zeta and ZZ are the two direct sequels to the original Gundam series.
With various other shows taking place in between or after and following other characters.

Other well know series like G Gundam or Gundam Wing take place in other universes generally unrelated.

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Punnyz
01/17/21 4:20:21 PM
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oh my god, the GunHammer LOL

a big ass medieval mace

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BlackMageJawa
01/17/21 5:03:30 PM
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^IIRC, that was the studio wanting more toys to sell. One of the big changes when they cut the series into three films was to remove the only-there-to-sell-plastic-models designs in favour of a handful of consistently useful ones.
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Punnyz
01/17/21 5:28:30 PM
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BlackMageJawa posted...
^IIRC, that was the studio wanting more toys to sell. One of the big changes when they cut the series into three films was to remove the only-there-to-sell-plastic-models designs in favour of a handful of consistently useful ones.
man I wanna look up what Gundam toys looked like then, they're so articulated and fancy nowadays, I want to see a big ass bulky one


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Punnyz
01/17/21 5:29:10 PM
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Jesus that dude got FUCKED up

his ass was vaporized in re-entry and all Char could do was try to comfort him

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Punnyz
01/17/21 6:15:08 PM
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once things get settled, I can see the problem with the episodic nature of the series

just seems like "problem of the day with that meddlesome Char trying to stop us" is gonna happen

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pjbasis
01/17/21 6:22:36 PM
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BlackMageJawa
01/17/21 6:22:42 PM
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Punnyz posted...
man I wanna look up what Gundam toys looked like then, they're so articulated and fancy nowadays, I want to see a big ass bulky one

I found this article about the history of RX-78-2 Gunpla kits, which shows the very first one:
https://en.gigazine.net/news/20100513_shs49_gunpla_history/

But there was also this thing a year before the kits started:
https://www.collectiondx.com/toy_review/1979/mobile_suit_gundam
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voltch
01/17/21 6:29:29 PM
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the scale of the problems does increase!
You can also see ep by ep that shit is starting to take its toll on the crew.

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Punnyz
01/17/21 6:53:50 PM
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Haru is weird because like, you'd expect him to be the robot sidekick that doesn't shut the fuck up and is annoying as hell

but hes not

but....he also doesn't DO anything

its weird that I WANT him to be annoying lol

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Punnyz
01/17/21 6:54:31 PM
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pjbasis posted...
finish fist of the north star mah gawd
you're right, I need to do that, I think I finished the Raoh shit? at least the first clash. They went to go fight Yuda

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SythaWarrior
01/17/21 7:00:17 PM
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Original Gundam is mostly good. There is some definite pacing issues in the middle tho. There is honestly like 5-ish episodes that could be cut and you wouldn't notice. The core story is good and the sideplots are better than the main plot. There is a reason Zeon is very popular for a villain faction.

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Punnyz
01/17/21 7:42:20 PM
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Theres something about Amuro thats....off

I guess we'll see later, but hes not entirely the goody protagonist. hes still trying to do whats right but Theres something thats underneath

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Metal_DK
01/17/21 7:45:54 PM
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Char is the best villain in Gundam

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Punnyz
01/17/21 7:58:55 PM
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man Kai is a little obnoxious shit

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SythaWarrior
01/17/21 9:05:13 PM
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Metal_DK posted...
Char is the best villain in Gundam

Antagonist? maybe. I think there are a lot better. He's definitely one of the best characters all around.

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SovietOmega
01/17/21 9:39:37 PM
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The original Gundam is still plenty watchable, though the movies are the gold standard there. If you stick with it though, there's decades worth of material that have fleshed out this gundam timeline. To say nothing of other anime that carry on aspects of the real robot genre.

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pjbasis
01/17/21 11:14:31 PM
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Punnyz posted...
you're right, I need to do that, I think I finished the Raoh shit? at least the first clash. They went to go fight Yuda

Only a few arcs before you get to the peak of the series!

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Punnyz
01/17/21 11:49:22 PM
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I've said this before else where but even I'm guilty of it

isn't it funny when people are like "you need to watch so much before it gets good"

like, you wasting your time will pay off!

Like when people need to get past the first season or something

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Punnyz
01/17/21 11:50:23 PM
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So the Gundam, Guncannon, and Guntank are all in the same battle now

I really didn't think there would be anything more than just Gundam so this is kinda blowing my mind. and they're much much more simple and basic compared to Gundam


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Punnyz
01/18/21 12:02:47 AM
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Punnyz posted...
it would've been funnier if he punched the fucking pilot with the giant Gundam fist
this ALMOST happened

but Amuro threw the Gundam Shield and it had a Over the should POV of the pilot being crushed by it

lol

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pjbasis
01/18/21 12:03:49 AM
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Haha I getcha but I think FotN is great from the beginning. I really dig that raw 80s vibe. But I think it still improves on itself to become something much more timeless. Like I was kinda blown away that a series this old went into it's villain's mindset so much.

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Punnyz
01/18/21 12:07:43 AM
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I tried rewtaching FOTN like 3 times and I gave up around 15 eps in. This is the first time I managed to get through that hump and it DEFINITELY improves. its just alot to ask of people lol

but its good to know you're saying it gets even BETTER

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Punnyz
01/18/21 12:20:32 AM
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ah here we go

Amuro getting PTSD

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MariaTaylor
01/18/21 12:38:24 AM
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Punnyz posted...
So the Gundam, Guncannon, and Guntank are all in the same battle now

I really didn't think there would be anything more than just Gundam so this is kinda blowing my mind. and they're much much more simple and basic compared to Gundam

yeah going by the UC timeline, we're still very early in the development lifecycle of mobile suits in general. the fact that the gundam is so advanced is even more impressive when you really compare it to the other models that were still in development at the time.

Gundam: The Origin takes place before this and there are parts in that series where like... the mecha are basically just tanks with stuff mounted on top of them, not even called mobile suits yet. and then later they are testing actual mobile suits and trying to get them working without a huge power cable needing to be attached to it the entire time. The Origin is really great btw it has the unique quality of being more enjoyable if you've seen the Original gundam, but also making the original Gundam more enjoyable to watch. they really feed off of each other and make you want to go back and rewatch the other one.


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Punnyz
01/18/21 12:52:46 AM
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I understand Gundam Wing is in it's own universe but its really cool seeing the influences here

The cores of the suits can be a jet but then they can be converted into the main suits themselves

Wing Zero's Jet mode just streamlines the whole thing

and Obviously Guncannon is Heavyarms' grand daddy

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Punnyz
01/18/21 12:53:22 AM
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MariaTaylor posted...
yeah going by the UC timeline, we're still very early in the development lifecycle of mobile suits in general. the fact that the gundam is so advanced is even more impressive when you really compare it to the other models that were still in development at the time.

Gundam: The Origin takes place before this and there are parts in that series where like... the mecha are basically just tanks with stuff mounted on top of them, not even called mobile suits yet. and then later they are testing actual mobile suits and trying to get them working without a huge power cable needing to be attached to it the entire time. The Origin is really great btw it has the unique quality of being more enjoyable if you've seen the Original gundam, but also making the original Gundam more enjoyable to watch. they really feed off of each other and make you want to go back and rewatch the other one.
I'll keep this in mind if I decide to keep going

this is getting overwhelming with like 40 years of stuff here!

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Punnyz
01/18/21 12:54:39 AM
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oh fuck here we go, Amuro gettin all whiny and shit

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Punnyz
01/18/21 1:00:58 AM
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"get in the fucking robot, Amuro"

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Punnyz
01/18/21 1:02:55 AM
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okay let me ask

who is the guy thats blonde and has sunglasses and is like "i'm here to laugh at you"

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Punnyz
01/18/21 1:04:49 AM
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its crazy we're at a point where Mobile Suits can't fly

"just jump good"

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Punnyz
01/18/21 2:14:43 AM
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So Char just rubbed his friend's death in his own face while he was dying

so yea, his douchebag is now leaking through

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