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RikkuAlmighty
01/16/21 10:51:09 PM
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still love gal gadot as WW but everything else was so...bleh

how did this happen? the first one was so great.

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Murphiroth
01/16/21 10:54:35 PM
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Don't think about it too hard, the more you think about it the worse it gets.

Bruce Wayne was like 10-12 in 1984 and his parents were already dead, what do you think he wished for and had to revoke but doesn't remember by the time of JL?
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RikkuAlmighty
01/16/21 10:56:05 PM
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i'm usually fine with suspending disbelief especially in superhero movies, but WW84 takes it to the next level with how much i have to throw out the window for the movie to stay enjoyable

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RikkuAlmighty
01/16/21 10:59:40 PM
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Also i was just fundamentally confused on a basic rule of the plot. The stone can grant only one wish? Or multiple wishes? Or can grant another wish if you rescind the first? Wtf?

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colliding
01/16/21 11:01:22 PM
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the first one wasn't good either; it just seemed that way compared to bvs and it had the benefit of one actually good scene (the trench scene)

third act of WW is straight up garbage

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RikkuAlmighty
01/16/21 11:04:14 PM
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I watched WW without having seen the other DC movies and still thoroughly enjoyed it. I think as the overall genre of superhero movies go it would be in the top third for me (but on the lower bound because ya the last fight could have been better)

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UshiromiyaEva
01/16/21 11:07:58 PM
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Pretty sure the other topic about this just purged, lol.

The phrase "how did this happen?" appears multiple times.

The answer is that Patty Jenkins is a good director but not a good writer.

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Leafeon13N
01/16/21 11:09:21 PM
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RikkuAlmighty posted...
Also i was just fundamentally confused on a basic rule of the plot. The stone can grant only one wish? Or multiple wishes? Or can grant another wish if you rescind the first? Wtf?
None of the basic rules of the plot are consistent.

Characterization is inconsistent.

Nothing about the movie is consistent with itself.
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RikkuAlmighty
01/16/21 11:09:25 PM
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Is she writing rogue squadron

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RikkuAlmighty
01/16/21 11:11:55 PM
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And the way the chaos magically resolves lmao

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UshiromiyaEva
01/16/21 11:12:09 PM
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She is the only person attached so far, but only listed as director.

I assume if she was also writing it would already say that.

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Xiahou Shake
01/16/21 11:13:42 PM
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I generally try to see the best in any art but I was pretty stunned by how bad I thought this was. Best thing I can possibly say is that if you took just the Max Lord stuff and isolated it, you'd probably have the majority of a significantly better film already made. Even then, there are still problems, but everything else besides that is an absolute train wreck.

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DoomTheGyarados
01/16/21 11:14:57 PM
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Yeah she can direct very well, so not against that.

Just never let her write again and we'll be fine.

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mnkboy907
01/16/21 11:17:24 PM
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I just watched it a couple days ago and yeah, that constant escalation of doomsday was just so weird. And then it became Cats.

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TheRock1525
01/16/21 11:18:01 PM
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More like Blunder Woman Eighty-Snore, am I right?

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UshiromiyaEva
01/16/21 11:18:27 PM
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Best way to describe it is it feels like a higher budget early 2000s bad superhero movie. Daredevil, Catwoman, etc.

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RikkuAlmighty
01/16/21 11:18:27 PM
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mnkboy907 posted...
I just watched it a couple days ago and yeah, that constant escalation of doomsday was just so weird. And then it became Cats.
cats vs magic amazonian armor that's actually pretty easy to tear apart as it turns out

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BlAcK TuRtLe
01/17/21 2:17:04 AM
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It's another trainwreck that resulted from a director trying to also be the writer. You saw it with the Star Wars sequels, and you see it here. I'm not sure why this is such a trend recently, but it needs to stop. A proper team of writers that are familiar with the source material and the concept of comic books is needed.

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XIII_rocks
01/17/21 2:19:02 AM
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Thoughts from the other topic

XIII_rocks posted...
I just saw it

Didn't hate it
Too corny
Too long
Pedro Pascal was so hilariously over the top that he stole every scene he was in and probably saved the movie

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PrivateBiscuit1
01/17/21 2:21:47 AM
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Are we going to have a new topic on this bad movie every week? Lol

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Xtlm
01/17/21 3:00:09 AM
#21:


RikkuAlmighty posted...
still love gal gadot as WW
I mean sure, until she starts acting.
I never saw the first movie though, only 84.

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LinkMarioSamus
01/17/21 5:18:33 AM
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From what I've heard this is basically a high-gloss superhero movie from the '80s or '90s. You'd think we're past this nonsense by now.

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FFDragon
01/17/21 11:34:21 AM
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how do you make wonder woman herself uncomfortably rapey and completely gung-ho about it

in the same movie where you have a whole plotline with kristen wiig beating up someone for being uncomfortably rapey

how

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RikkuAlmighty
01/17/21 12:53:14 PM
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Also this movie made me realize Kristen Wiig and Kristen Schaal are not the same person. For some reason I thought they were and thought Wiig had great range to be able to voice Louise on Bob's Burgers.

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lordjers
01/17/21 12:55:35 PM
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Agreed, but the first one wasn't very good either.

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Safer_777
01/17/21 3:04:08 PM
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The first got so much high praise because it starred a woman super hero. And it was decent but just because it was decent and starred a solo woman as a super hero it got rave reviews.

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Waluigi1
01/17/21 5:02:01 PM
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Safer_777 posted...
The first got so much high praise because it starred a woman super hero. And it was decent but just because it was decent and starred a solo woman as a super hero it got rave reviews.
Bingo. The first one is pretty boring until the trench scene.

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PrivateBiscuit1
01/17/21 5:08:00 PM
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I dunno, I watched Wonder Woman again recently and still had a blast watching it.

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redrocket
01/17/21 5:18:56 PM
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WW was overrated (not bad) not because it starred a woman but because it followed the spectacular turd that was BvS.

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Grand Kirby
01/17/21 5:20:16 PM
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I assumed the reason were so blown away over the first one was because it was the first DC movie to not completely suck.

I watched it before the sequel, and I thought it was okay. I didn't see what was supposed to be so incredible about it.

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LinkMarioSamus
01/17/21 5:22:52 PM
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That plus all previous superheroine movies being very poorly-received and that just being a weak summer for films.

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Xtlm
01/17/21 6:02:40 PM
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Grand Kirby posted...
it was the first DC movie to not completely suck.
Batman?

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Johnbobb
01/17/21 6:18:28 PM
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Xtlm posted...
Batman?
I assume he meant DCEU

Also I do think the original Wonder Woman is great, unrelated to being a female hero or the first good DCEU movie. It's just a really solid superhero, partially because it does well combining its genres of superhero film and war film

this movie tried to be a superhero film and a... romcom? And didn't succeed at either one

RikkuAlmighty posted...
Also i was just fundamentally confused on a basic rule of the plot. The stone can grant only one wish? Or multiple wishes? Or can grant another wish if you rescind the first? Wtf?

this was definitely one of the most frustrating things in the movie for me. Kristen Wiig very clearly gets two wishes, but nobody else does, meanwhile none of Max Lord's kids wishes (I recall him making 2) get granted

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swordz9
01/17/21 6:20:25 PM
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2nd one was just for the PLOTS to have Cheetah look like a cheetah...well more like a CATS character, but yeah >_>
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lordjers
01/17/21 6:44:39 PM
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The first one can't get a pass coming after BvS cause WW was better in that movie.

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StealThisSheen
01/17/21 6:51:19 PM
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Johnbobb posted...
this was definitely one of the most frustrating things in the movie for me. Kristen Wiig very clearly gets two wishes, but nobody else does, meanwhile none of Max Lord's kids wishes (I recall him making 2) get granted

Doesn't he wish for his dad's success, which is then why his second wish doesn't work?

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UshiromiyaEva
01/17/21 10:29:41 PM
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lordjers posted...
The first one can't get a pass coming after BvS cause WW was better in that movie.

Nothing about BVS is better than Wonder Woman in even the most minute way.

I have never seen a more miserable movie than BVS. It is the first time I have left a theater visibly upset.

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lordjers
01/17/21 10:37:29 PM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
Nothing about BVS is better than Wonder Woman in even the most minute way.

Yes, WW herself.

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UshiromiyaEva
01/17/21 10:38:53 PM
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Corrik7
01/17/21 10:41:58 PM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
Pretty sure the other topic about this just purged, lol.

The phrase "how did this happen?" appears multiple times.

The answer is that Patty Jenkins is a good director but not a good writer.
Is she a good director? She was the one who argued incessantly until she won keeping both the mall and the Arena game scenes in.

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Waluigi1
01/17/21 10:43:23 PM
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Captain America did the war movie/superhero movie thing much much better imo.

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Corrik7
01/17/21 10:43:59 PM
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DCEU gets really shit on a lot. It's not great but it's not terrible either.

MoS was pretty decent.
BVS was decent.
WW was pretty decent.
JL was atrocious.
Suicide Squad was Atrocious.
Harley Quinn was pretty bad.
Shazam was pretty decent.
Aquaman was meh.

I mean, there is too many bad movies in the universe compared to good ones with the MCU, but it's not entirely terrible.

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XIII_rocks
01/17/21 10:56:43 PM
#43:


Johnbobb posted...
this was definitely one of the most frustrating things in the movie for me. Kristen Wiig very clearly gets two wishes, but nobody else does


This bothered me too, but I figured Lord had one of his lackeys wish for it off-screen.
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Waluigi1
01/17/21 11:05:01 PM
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Birds of Prey is one of the best ones.

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swordz9
01/17/21 11:07:21 PM
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Corrik7 posted...
DCEU gets really shit on a lot. It's not great but it's not terrible either.

MoS was pretty decent.
BVS was decent.
WW was pretty decent.
JL was atrocious.
Suicide Squad was Atrocious.
Harley Quinn was pretty bad.
Shazam was pretty decent.
Aquaman was meh.

I mean, there is too many bad movies in the universe compared to good ones with the MCU, but it's not entirely terrible.

They get shit on because they have an amazing pool of superheroes and keep putting out stuff thats low or mid tier MCU at best. The DCEU is a disaster so far.
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Mr Lasastryke
01/18/21 7:32:07 AM
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Corrik7 posted...
MoS was pretty decent.

agree with this, i've never understood why man of steel gets so much hate tbqh. it's obviously flawed but i still thought it was ok.

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Johnbobb
01/18/21 10:41:48 AM
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AM > WW >>>>> HQ > S! >>>>> SS > WW84 > JL > BVS

never saw Man of Steel but I also don't feel much desire to

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Corrik7
01/18/21 10:50:57 AM
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Johnbobb posted...
AM > WW >>>>> HQ > S! >>>>> SS > WW84 > JL > BVS

never saw Man of Steel but I also don't feel much desire to
It actually disposes of the main flaw in Superman movies for the most part which allows it to be okay. The main flaw superman has like Black Panther is that they are invincible. So nobody cares. MoS and BvS both work around the invincibility angle well to make it enjoyable. It's where Justice League falls apart... With Superman coming back.

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Mr Lasastryke
01/18/21 12:07:07 PM
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can't agree with batman v superman being decent. it has some good ideas and it's not as terrible as people make it out to be. but there's just too many pointless detours (like the man-bat vision) and eisenberg's lex luthor sucked. haven't seen the director's cut, though, so perhaps that fixes some things.

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Corrik7
01/18/21 12:33:26 PM
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The problem with BvS is mostly that Superman got kind of nerfed to make the film work. Which, I am all for because again Superman movies generally suck because he is invincible, however they kept a few scenes to show how powerful he was that they shouldn't have (example beginning of the movie).

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