Poll of the Day > Mr. Trump being impeached directly by the people...

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Dynalo posted...

I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

His language throughout his speech is irresponsible when you've got a following full of idiots like the Q movement, but that doesn't much sound like he's actively calling for violence. But it's definitely irresponsible and reckless when you know your base is already riled up and all it takes is a handful of people to do something stupid and mob mentality takes over.

But I'm glad to see our corrupt congress can get this done within days, though, after letting americans go hungry for almost a year now. They couldn't give a shit to protect us but they'll save their own asses in a hurry. If anything, this will only make things worse. The mass censoring and impeachment are just gonna make these people feel validated and I'm betting that all this is doing is stoking the flames even more. Hopefully not.

I'm really hoping that this transition will go on peacefully. More violence and rioting won't accomplish anything except more bloodshed and would serve as an excuse for more authoritian power grabs like the patriot act. This country has major problems that aren't going away, though, and it seems like nobody has the answers

OhhhJa posted...

The mass censoring and impeachment are just gonna make these people feel validated and I'm betting that all this is doing is stoking the flames even more.

I honestly think youre right on that.

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Mead posted...

The penalties for treason if Im not mistaken in the US are typically either life imprisonment, or execution.

Donald Trump committed treason in broad daylight.

Very hyperbolic of u. Marches are not treason. Trump even said peacefully according to what dynalo just posted. If a few idiots got over excited and stormed the capital that is not on trump.

When you unperson people to the point where basic banking and delivery is impossible, you've conceded that corporations and banks have more power than the government.

Those same banks and corporations you were shouting at during OWS as the literal devil you're now felating because they're leik totally pwning the people you don't like.

Remember this when the pendulum swings.

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hungrymike posted...

Very hyperbolic of u. Marches are not treason. Trump even said peacefully according to what dynalo just posted. If a few idiots got over excited and stormed the capital that is not on trump.

You can't spend twenty minutes telling people over and over that he and they were robbed, that the election was a fraud, that they need to fight for their rights, that they need to march, that they can't take no for an answer, that they can't be weak, and that they are losing their rights, and then at the very end slip in "peacefully" to try and have something to point to when people call you on inciting a riot.

No. Absolutely unforgivable. I'll repeat this again. His speech should have been absolutely nothing other than "I'm sorry I have said things regarding election fraud that were untrue. I have lost this election and would like to congratulate President-Elect Biden and wish him well, and I encourage you all to do the same. Thank you for your support."

That is it. That's all that should have been said.


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LuciferSage posted...

When you unperson people to the point where basic banking and delivery is impossible, you've conceded that corporations and banks have more power than the government.

Those same banks and corporations you were shouting at during OWS as the literal devil you're now felating because they're leik totally pwning the people you don't like.

Remember this when the pendulum swings.

Not to mention, that's literally out of hitler's playbook. It's been pretty obvious for a while that the corporations actually run our government. We live under corporate fascism now and i kinda lose hope seeing so many people cheering for it

There were several people speaking at that event before Trump, that did use more incendiary language. Trump is directly responsible for what some of them said, just by not calling them out for it when he spoke after them. People like his son Trump Jr. and his lawyer Rudy Giuliani.
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/politics/2021/01/06/what-trump-said-rally-speech-spark-u-s-capitol-storming/6568337002/

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OhhhJa posted...

Not to mention, that's literally out of hitler's playbook. It's been pretty obvious for a while that the corporations actually run our government. We live under corporate fascism now and i kinda lose hope seeing so many people cheering for it

I've been led to believe for my entire life that gridlock is The Way when it comes to legislation. "We need to pass it to see what's in it" type shit.

But in my lifetime, I've also seen PATRIOT 1 and this second Impeachment railroad thru in ftl speed by congress's standards.

There's a bigger picture here and it makes me sick. :face_vomiting:

Our legislature took 8 months to pass a second stimulus. Our grandkids are still going to paying for the gender studies programs in Afghanistan that it took to get the last one thru.

But you want to me to believe that spanking Trump again was an existential crisis so great that it outweighed everything short of Al Qeida? Not the millions of constituents that can't work, pay rent, or feed their kids?

My anger isn't at "daring to take a stunning and brave stance against Darth Donald", it's at our legislature twice in my fucking lifetime actually tipping their hand and showing how fucking fast they CAN move when it means the constituents get fucked.

TARP belongs on the Warp speed list too.

We already live in a corporate dystopia, and those responsible are now given a free pass because they're on "your side" now.

The economy never recovered from 2008, and we've been living in a false vacuum ever since.

But this IS the corporate dystopia at this point when the banks are "too big to fail", and the town square can be turned off unless you plan in 2021 to physically nail your manifesto to the to the town square IRL to the notice of literally nobody.

You all laughed when it happened to Alex Jones.

Regardless of your opinions on trans-dimentional shape shifting lizard people and gay frogs, this was the canary in the coal mine.

Now private corporations and banks have literally unpersoned a sitting POTUS. You're all caught up so fucking hard in OMB that you're incapable of seeing the bigger picture.

I'm going to laugh my ass off when the pendulum inevitably swings and those with short memories have no idea what they're looking at.

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I think there's a stronger case for incitement against Guliani, actually... I think the quote was:

If were wrong, we will be made fools of, but if were right, a lot of them will go to jail. So lets have trial by combat.

What a moron.

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Gaawa_chan posted...

I think there's a stronger case for incitement against Giuliani, actually... I think the quote was:

If were wrong, we will be made fools of, but if were right, a lot of them will go to jail. So lets have trial by combat.

What a moron.

I guess he didn't consider that if they were wrong they might go to jail and look like fools.

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hungrymike posted...

Very hyperbolic of u. Marches are not treason. Trump even said peacefully according to what dynalo just posted. If a few idiots got over excited and stormed the capital that is not on trump.

He looked at an armed mob of angry supporters, many outfitted for battle, and told them to go and FIGHT at the capitol. That is literally what he did.

He gathered them there, he told them what to do, and then he set them loose. He will be held accountable.

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Playsaver posted...

I guess he didn't consider that if they were wrong they might go to jail.

As a follow up, you might find this funny:
https://twitter.com/Brett_Samuels27/status/1349169559354355712

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

I honestly think youre right on that.

To a LOT of people, the perception is going to be that Congress can't pass a worthwhile Covid stimulus bill for months (and then wind up stuffing it with tons of extraneous and harmful bullshit when it DOES pass), but they can rush through an Impeachment vote on someone who's going to be out of office in two weeks anyway. That may not be the actual reality of things, but it's going to be how people see it.

That's going to stir resentment even in people who aren't already polarized to the extreme. And the people who are will absolutely take it as proof that they were right all along.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

To a LOT of people, the perception is going to be that Congress can't pass a worthwhile Covid stimulus bill for months

Someone should probably inform those people that Congress successfully passed a stimulus bill for Americans back in May 2020 and that Republicans made sure that they never got it

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Speaking of Rudy,
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1349530477795880964?s=19
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With Deutsche Bank unpersoning him, I'd be frugal too.

Private corporations cowing a sitting president.

You would have all shit yourselves if this were done to the Obamessiah.

Welcome to the corporate dystopia, and remember that this was the world you wanted when the shoe ends up on the other foot.

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McConnell and Cheney's daughter flipping says it all. Impeachment was always valid and now the billionaire-class are having buyer's remorse like the Prussian generals did when they let Hitler get too much power.

Mead posted...

Someone should probably inform those people that Congress successfully passed a stimulus bill for Americans back in May 2020 and that Republicans made sure that they never got it.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

That may not be the actual reality of things, but it's going to be how people see it.

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LuciferSage posted...

With Deutsche Bank unpersoning him, I'd be frugal too.

Private corporations cowing a sitting president.

You would have all shit yourselves if this were done to the Obamessiah.

Welcome to the corporate dystopia, and remember that this was the world you wanted when the shoe ends up on the other foot.

I'm curious to see what the next 4 years are going to look like in America. Right now, saying that we live in any type of dystopia seems like an overreaction.

LuciferSage posted...

With Deutsche Bank unpersoning him, I'd be frugal too.

Private corporations cowing a sitting president.

You would have all shit yourselves if this were done to the Obamessiah.

Welcome to the corporate dystopia, and remember that this was the world you wanted when the shoe ends up on the other foot.

I can feel your tears from here.
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shadowsword87 posted...

1. It's partially a spite move.
2. There's another vote in there that says he can't every apply for office again, which actually is important.

It'll also save the American people from paying for his pension.

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Trump is obviously playing 4D chess... he doesn't care about the Presidency, he just wants that sweet million dollar per year travel allowance that Ex-presidents get

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Entity13 posted...

It'll also save the American people from paying for his pension.

That means nothing when you compare it to the american governments' budget, the pension is roughly 200k a year. The US government had a revenue of $3.46 trillion last year (according to this random website https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762).
That's roughly 0.0000000578% of the federal budget.
That doesn't account for anything.

LuciferSage posted...

With Deutsche Bank unpersoning him, I'd be frugal too.

Private corporations cowing a sitting president.

You would have all shit yourselves if this were done to the Obamessiah.

Welcome to the corporate dystopia, and remember that this was the world you wanted when the shoe ends up on the other foot.

Obama didn't do anything he could be impeached for. Stop acting like this is happening for no reason.

LuciferSage posted...

You would have all shit yourselves if this were done to the Obamessiah.

Is this some sort of projection? I don't remember Obama being very loved, and definitely don't remember him being worshiped.

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Even Trump supporters have to stand back and say enough is enough. The guy lost the election and although he still insists that he lost due to voter fraud, there isn't enough evidence to suggest that but when GOP candidates lose and yelp about voter fraud, what they mean is the votes of Black people don't count therefore it's fraudulent and that's why we see the voter rolls of Black people purged and erased.

This all goes back to the 1960s when Richard Nixon began to court racist Southern politicians in what was known as the "Southern Strategy" in which the GOP made a conscious effort to run feature campaigns not on issues but on race baiting and that's what we have had since the mid to late 1960s onward. Reagan did it by maligning Black single moms as welfare queens, and Nixon did by starting a phony "War On Drugs" that was aimed at Black people to get felony convictions which then would result in those people losing their right to vote and we know this because Nixon is on a WH recording admitting as much.

The Southern politicians back then were upset that VR and CR Acts were passed because they knew that stranglehold that they had held on the South since the end of the Civil War and Jim Crow was now in jeopardy because Black people in the South wouldn't vote for them.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Looks like the thought process behind most conspiracy theories so this checks out.

Dynalo posted...

You can't spend twenty minutes telling people over and over that he and they were robbed, that the election was a fraud, that they need to fight for their rights, that they need to march, that they can't take no for an answer, that they can't be weak, and that they are losing their rights, and then at the very end slip in "peacefully" to try and have something to point to when people call you on inciting a riot.

The capital was already being breached and the ex head of the dc police was calling for national guard 5 minutes before trump was even done speaking. Not to mention he was speaking over a 40 minute walk away from the capital. Trump can't be held responsible for incitement for something that was already taking place 40 mins away while he was speaking.

hungrymike posted...

The capital was already being breached and the ex head of the dc police was calling for national guard 5 minutes before trump was even done speaking. Not to mention he was speaking over a 40 minute walk away from the capital. Trump can't be held responsible for incitement for something that was already taking place 40 mins away while he was speaking.

He totally can't be held responsible for people taking action on his behalf over a lie he created and repeated.

I've already seen the legal eagle video, yea Trump can't get a criminal conviction on incitement, but he can absolutely be impeached for for this. He refused to send in the national guard for hours.

BlackScythe0 posted...

He totally can't be held responsible for people taking action on his behalf over a lie he created and repeated.

I've already seen the legal eagle video, yea Trump can't get a criminal conviction on incitement, but he can absolutely be impeached for for this. He refused to send in the national guard for hours.

To incite treason or sedition, and then to not send the Guard, only for his VP to do it in his stead. Yeah...

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Bernie can still be inaugurated on January 20th

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Jen0125 posted...

Bernie can still be inaugurated on January 20th

God there was a reddit post that made it to the front page going "WELL IF LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE STATE FROM NOW ON VOTES FOR BERNIE WE CAN STILL DO IT GUYS" and it was the saddest thing I've seen in a while.

Maybe Bernie is Q and he's been playing both sides for his own benefit, like Palpatine or Tzeentch

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Entity13 posted...

To incite treason or sedition, and then to not send the Guard, only for his VP to do it in his stead.

Trump sent in the guard by 336 pm. Not only that, he gave authorization for guard use days earlier.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2021/01/07/this-is-why-the-national-guard-didnt-respond-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/

hungrymike posted...

Trump sent in the guard by 336 pm. Not only that, he gave authorization for guard use days earlier.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2021/01/07/this-is-why-the-national-guard-didnt-respond-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/

Try again

https://theweek.com/speedreads/959671/maryland-governor-said-repeatedly-denied-authorization-send-national-guard-dc

BlackScythe0 posted...

Try again

https://theweek.com/speedreads/959671/maryland-governor-said-repeatedly-denied-authorization-send-national-guard-dc

Nothing in ur link mentioned trump. It appears several officials were to blame and many have since resigned.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/955548910/ex-capitol-police-chief-rebuffs-claims-national-guard-was-never-called-during-ri
"Senior Army official Lt. Gen. Walter E. Piatt, director of the Army Staff, said on the call he couldn't recommend that Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy authorize deployment, Sund and others on the call told the Post. Piatt reportedly said, "I don't like the visual of the National Guard standing a police line with the Capitol in the background," the Post reported."