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kateee
01/03/21 5:49:15 PM
#52:


iiicon posted...
I was planning on seeing Parasite in theatres this spring but uhhh that didn't happen for obvious reasons.
damn that sucks to hear

i saw it back in October in a theater with like 10 other people i.e. i went by myself and there were 10 people in the entire room. i went in completely blind but walked out understanding all the hype and i'm not that surprised it blew up the way it did.
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Snake5555555555
01/03/21 6:47:26 PM
#53:


Have not seen it.

I have seen Snowpiercer, Parasite, and The Host. All three are excellent but Snowpiercer and The Host are particualr favorites for me.

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Johnbobb
01/03/21 6:54:06 PM
#54:


  1. Nope, like most others, went in blind
  2. The Host was a great horror film, Snowpiercer was awesome, but Okja and Parasite were both A+ films


As far as Mother that's going alongside Okja and Parasite as incredible. MIGHT even be my favorite by him, but not sure. Every time I thought the movie was over, he just keeps adding more and more and it's never filler, every moment is just more and more devastating; it never lets up. Every piece of this is top-notch, and I'm gonna be thinking about it for a while.

A+

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kateee
01/03/21 7:41:21 PM
#55:


ChichiriMuyo posted...
It doesn't even really use punctuation..........
yeah those tonal shifts are Bong movie hallmarks

SwiftyDC posted...
Mother (2009)

On the opening & ending. In the opening, she is alone, it's shot from the front and there's an extended period where she covers her eyes and moves down to covering her mouth. There's moments where she directly looks into the camera too. I've seen some people interpret this similarly to a dream sequence/metaphor where it represents her mental state. like trying to forget what she's seen and keeping herself from screaming kind of thing. In the ending, it is shot from her side and she is joining a group of others (mostly elderly women? it looks like). This was easier to understand because of the acupuncture right before it and the couple times she mentioned doing this to "forget the bad memories" earlier. I'm not sure if the other women mean anything. Maybe they're all mothers and all have their own stories. There's a man in the line too so maybe this is all coincidence and doesn't mean anything. ANYWAY i think "thinking too much into it" like you said is fine since good directors shoot their films purposefully and there's definitely evidence that holds up in great movies that certain aspects were intentional. Maybe not every little thing but it's not all pointless overanalyzing like some people might say.

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Camden
01/03/21 7:54:45 PM
#56:


Are we rating it under any specific system or just however each person wants?

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kateee
01/03/21 8:02:43 PM
#57:


for the spreadsheet i will be recording on a scale of 1-10 with no decimals. this is for later when i maybe do some averages and things like that. i know some people prefer out of 5, letters, etc. but it's easier for me if everyone uses the same scale.

if you don't like that scale or don't want to give a rating, i can simply mark a movie as 'watched' instead of a rating for the recommendation list purposes so no problem. nothing in this topic will be forced upon you.
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Johnbobb
01/03/21 8:19:36 PM
#58:


I will rate Mother as a 10 then

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ChichiriMuyo
01/03/21 8:20:47 PM
#59:


SwiftyDC posted...
This movie also brought up questions about certain medicines and acupuncture therapy, like can a needle really help a woman get pregnant or even clear depression or bad thoughts and memories.
While I don't believe in acupuncture having any mystical qualities to it, I do believe it has a degree of mental healing involved. From my experience with it, acupuncture puts you in a state that's very conducive to meditation and contemplation, and just getting the mind to settle down and not get/stay caught up in bad feedback loops is helpful. It won't solve all of your problems, but I definitely recommend giving it a try (at a licensed place, not some questionable old Asian woman) for some relief from things stress and anxiety.

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kateee
01/03/21 8:55:07 PM
#60:


anyway yeah i rewatched it. I last watched this in April 2018 and wanted to revisit it post-Parasite.

Parasite & Mother spoilers

It's definitely "quieter" than Parasite and maybe it'll take me more time to appreciate it as much. It's an 8-maybe-9/10 for me. just some surface level similarity thing post-Parasite, in both movies there's a moment where a phone with sensitive information threatens to blow things up as well as a big rock hitting someone in the head. one of the women at the funeral in Mother is also the housekeeper in Parasite.

more Mother stuff

i came across the wikipedia article for the movie and it describes the Mother as a widow. i don't recall anything in the movie about that and don't see anywhere else it refers to her as one so i think that was just an assumption on whoever edited that article. but that got me thinking and i think she maaay have been a prostitute. it's mentioned that when the Mother tried to poison Do-joon (the son) he was five. and he says that she gave him a Bacchus bottle with the poison in it.

Bacchus is a very popular energy drink in small glass bottles but there's also a darker connotation involving elderly prostitutes in South Korea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacchus_Ladies
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27189951

anyway in addition to the poison reveal scene, there's a small moment near the beginning of the movie when Do-Joon and Jin-tae (the friend) are in the police station and the Mother comes in with a box of drinks. It doesn't really clearly look like Bacchus but it's in a similar type of small glass bottle. considering what we're shown of Ah-jung's (girl who died) circumstances, i was wondering if those two scenes had a reference to the Bacchus Ladies and maybe if the Mother had a similar past and that's why there's no father in the picture. admittedly this is definitely an instance where i think the "evidence" is pretty shaky. like if the Bacchus Ladies are being referenced and they're like exclusively elderly women, it doesn't quite work because the Mother would have presumably been younger when she had her son. also Bacchus is like go-to-your-Asian-market-and-buy-it kind of common so there's that too. Honestly this sounded stupider as I typed more but whatever. ultimately, i don't think it makes much of a difference but it's interesting to think about.

there's some other stuff i want to comment on but i'll do that later.
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tyder21
01/03/21 8:57:58 PM
#61:


I'll probably be popping in and out of this topic series depending on the weekly selection (Letterboxd in sig btw).

I managed to catch Mother in theaters almost exactly one year ago and don't really want to give it a rewatch at this time. For me it was very good, but not excellent - 7/10 (up to OP if this should be in the spreadsheet since it's not based on a recent rewatch). Frankly, Mother is also the film in Director Bong's filmography that has stuck with me the least (seen all 7).

Bong Joon-ho's films largely fail to connect with me on any transcendent level. Not 100% sure what to blame in myself for not experiencing what others are experiencing, but it's potentially my overly western/basic tastes.

Ranking: EXCEPTIONAL Parasite EXCELLENT Memories of Murder VERY GOOD Snowpiercer, Mother, Okja DID NOT LIKE Barking Dogs Never Bite, The Host

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ChichiriMuyo
01/03/21 9:09:56 PM
#62:


kateee posted...
Bacchus is a very popular energy drink in small glass bottles but there's also a darker connotation involving elderly prostitutes in South Korea.
It's small details like this that make watching foreign films so difficult. This may not be necessary information, but a director like Bong doesn't put anything like that in the movie without purpose. He knew the South Korean audience would be able to make that connection easily, and thus he was telling them something about the character that really doesn't translate.

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kateee
01/03/21 10:19:20 PM
#63:


tyder21 posted...
(up to OP if this should be in the spreadsheet since it's not based on a recent rewatch).
i'm not taking the ratings aspect of this topic too seriously so how recent doesn't matter. more participation is always welcome! it would be just as if i was posting a "rate this movie" topic series.

ChichiriMuyo posted...
It's small details like this that make watching foreign films so difficult. This may not be necessary information, but a director like Bong doesn't put anything like that in the movie without purpose. He knew the South Korean audience would be able to make that connection easily, and thus he was telling them something about the character that really doesn't translate.
ehh i agree on the purposeful directing especially when the evidence is clear, as i've commented similarly on a previous post. but i'd still be hesitant to embrace this particular theory so readily because as i've mentioned, one of the instances i talk about isn't even a clear shot and that connotation of the drink may not even be familiar to the average citizen. if i ever meet him, i would definitely love to ask him about it lol
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iiicon
01/04/21 12:49:56 AM
#64:


it was very silly of me to assume the kids would easily fall back into their regular school sleeping schedule after the holidays, giving me plenty of time to watch this tonight. oh well! tomorrow's another day

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Camden
01/04/21 3:39:06 AM
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So, where does the Mother get all of the money from in the film? Her job doesn't come across as a high paying one, they're passing off Chinese herbs as the real deal, and her boss kind of threatens her over doing acupuncture on the side without a license so she can make some extra scratch. After her son has to pay for the mirror she mentions that they have no money, but somehow has enough money to hire that lawyer at least for a short while. Jin-tae also demands she pay him and she gives him a little bit of money, saying she was saving it up to pay off their debts and it's all she has, and then shortly after that manages to hand him a wad of bills to get information out of those two guys, which was apparently enough for him to buy a new car.

Overall I really liked the movie, solid 9/10.

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Snake5555555555
01/04/21 5:18:40 AM
#66:


Mother

Fantastic film! Loved how unconventional it was overall, like everything I expected to happen happened in just about the opposite way. The scene in the Ferris wheel cart was cinematic storytelling at its finest, I absolutely loved the integrated seamless flashbacks and the up-close shots of the bloody, missing teeth, it was all so seamless and the acting was superb. I felt like I had to throw everything I knew about detective thrillers out the window. Kim Hye-ja's performance is about as perfect as you can get; I feel like the film sets her up this over-bearing, maybe even slightly crazed figure towards her son but then it smartly and slyly dials her back and makes her extremely sympathetic while still being a driven and passionate mother who believes her son can do no wrong. Early on, one of the detectives mentions CSI, and it really got me thinking about how cut-and-dry & predictable those detective shows ultimately are. An episode of CSI easily sets up the junk collector as the real killer, everybody goes home happy, the end, but Mother confidently throws out red herring after red herring, thrilling detective beats, deliciously peeling off the woven strands of its seemingly complicated web before arriving at the conclusion we all should've known from the start: that the simplest answer tends to be the correct one. I think it's what I ultimately love about Bong Joon-ho films: he intersperses these seemingly grand tales of murder and betrayal with light, delicate touches of comedy, horror, gore, even some slight fantasy that only serve to further expose the messiness and mundanity of realistic, everyday life. It's the grey area, with no good, no evil, just being alive and playing the hand you're dealt, either learning to live with it or escape into ignorant bliss.

9/10

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Aecioo
01/04/21 2:58:11 PM
#67:


Snake5555555555 posted...
Mother
I think it's what I ultimately love about Bong Joon-ho films: he intersperses these seemingly grand tales of murder and betrayal with light, delicate touches of comedy, horror, gore, even some slight fantasy that only serve to further expose the messiness and mundanity of realistic, everyday life. It's the grey area, with no good, no evil, just being alive and playing the hand you're dealt, either learning to live with it or escape into ignorant bliss.

I think you said this better than I ever could. It's a common theme in all of his films I've seen, with Parasite being maybe the best example of it.

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iiicon
01/05/21 1:37:53 PM
#68:


I watched it early this morning. I liked it! incredible and captivating performance from the lead. seemed like a bad, unsympathetic portrayal of neurodivergent people though.

I'll write more and read responses later tonight.

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Seginustemple
01/05/21 11:10:55 PM
#69:


kateee posted...
Bacchus is a very popular energy drink in small glass bottles but there's also a darker connotation involving elderly prostitutes in South Korea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacchus_Ladies
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27189951


I think you may be on to something with this - if you read down the article a little there's a paragraph that potentially ties it right back to acupuncture - "Inside those bags the Bacchus Ladies carry is the source of a hidden epidemic: a special injection supposed to help older men achieve erections - delivered directly into the vein. Dr Lee confirms that the needles aren't disposed of afterwards, but used again - 10 or 20 times."

I've seen The Host, Snowpiercer, and Parasite before but this was my first viewing of Mother. 9/10!

I think Hitchcock would be impressed, this is a tight noir with well-executed tonal variety and substance. Unreliable protagonists keep us guessing and the twists never feel cheap. Joon-Ho's sense of dark humor always shines in perfectly placed moments. It doesn't hurt that the orchestral score was taking cues from Bernard Hermann's style at times!

I like how the real motive traces back to Momma's orders - retaliate against anyone who insults you. Although I guess it's technically involuntary manslaughter and not murder so idk if 'motive' is the right term. And that whole reveal with the guy being indecisive with the phone was great, rode the line of creepy and funny but shows he *almost* consciously turned himself in (and instead leaves her on the roof to be found). It was a very Bojack Horseman moment.

One common thread between the Bong Joon-Ho movies I've seen is he likes the tension of someone having to sneak out of a room without waking someone else up. In Host it's the little girl and the monster, in this it comes after the closet voyeurism (another noir trope) with the young couple. In Parasite this goes even further with an entire family sneaking out from under a coffee table while the rich sleep on the couch. It's an effective formula.

Someone else said it but the bookend shots are fantastic, it really ties it together and leaves you on a high note. I was reminded of the danse macabre scene that concludes The Seventh Seal, although I kinda doubt it was referencing that intentionally. It just looked similar with the dancers silhouetted. And it was just shot with such style, great little moment of passion to cap it off.

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Johnbobb
01/05/21 11:23:01 PM
#70:


very tempted to nominate Mother! for the fun of it

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kateee
01/06/21 1:33:17 PM
#71:


and then Mommy right after
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Xeybozn
01/06/21 1:44:54 PM
#72:


Watched Mother last night. I didn't like it as much as Parasite (only other Bong movie I've seen), but it's still a great movie. 9/10

I thought it was interesting to see a story where a parent's love isn't portrayed as an inherently good thing for the world. I kept wondering what the mom would find to prove Do-Joon's innocence, but then the twist was that the whole case was as simple as it looked. It really puts into perspective how wrong her methods to solve" the mystery up to that point were, and then she goes even further to cover for Do-Joon after that. It's kind of touching that she loves him so much, but the end result is just terrible for everybody involved except Do-Joon.
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iiicon
01/06/21 1:56:16 PM
#73:


SwiftyDC posted...
I stopped and thought about the opening and ending scenes. On the bus, she started dancing after her acupuncture. In the opening, she was dancing without the acupuncture as she had forgotten her needle kit in the burning house. Probably thinking too much into it but I thought that was interesting.
I don't think you're thinking too much on the specifics, but you might be thinking too literal. it makes sense, this movie is mostly told from the perspective of the mother who in addition to practicing acupuncture also dabbles in other types of holistic medicines (like the concoction she gives her son when he's injured, or the one for fertility), good fortune offerings (the beer, I think, to the police officers), and when the movie shifts perspectives it ascribes meaning to other things (Do-joon's method for memory, Ah-jung's rice beer as a metaphor for control), so we're often in very elevated, other worldly territory. but I think that second dancing scene is all about catharsis. she was in the junk collector's place to "open his heart" via that meridian in the thigh she mentioned, but she achieved the same effect on herself after she learned the truth about the night of the murder.

there's probably something to be said here about her feeling great shame after learning the truth about that night and lashing out, connecting that to her shame about Do-joon remembering that his mother tried to kill both of them when he was five, and how immediately after that the mother was overwhelming by maternal instinct to protect her son at all costs.

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iiicon
01/06/21 2:07:00 PM
#74:


oh, ratings! I gave it 3 1/2 stars on letterboxd, which for me is borderline great. so mark me down as a 7/10

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kateee
01/06/21 2:54:16 PM
#75:


Camden posted...
So, where does the Mother get all of the money from in the film? Her job doesn't come across as a high paying one, they're passing off Chinese herbs as the real deal, and her boss kind of threatens her over doing acupuncture on the side without a license so she can make some extra scratch. After her son has to pay for the mirror she mentions that they have no money, but somehow has enough money to hire that lawyer at least for a short while. Jin-tae also demands she pay him and she gives him a little bit of money, saying she was saving it up to pay off their debts and it's all she has, and then shortly after that manages to hand him a wad of bills to get information out of those two guys, which was apparently enough for him to buy a new car.

in the case with the comment after the mirror and paying Jin-tae for the "betrayal" she could have just been not speaking literally i.e. she still had savings left but it wasn't something she could necessarily look at as freely expendable income. you could also choose to believe she never got around to actually paying for the mirror, taken out a loan, etc. Jin-tae could have also had some money before so it wasn't like the amount he received from Mother actually paid off the whole thing. maybe he had other means. like he did steal the golf club earlier. maybe he kept Ah-jung's cellphone and got around to blackmailing the men whose pictures were in there. who knows?

as a side note, for a while, the largest denomination of SK currency was the 10,000 Won which you could think of as equivalent to $10 US. The 50,000 Won note (~$50 USD) was introduced in 2009. so that thick wad of bills probably wasn't as much as it might have seemed.

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Johnbobb
01/06/21 8:13:31 PM
#76:


I do appreciate that the mother was just an honestly incredible portrayal of a mother. I feel like all too often (at least in American cinema) the middle-aged mother character is some kind of cliche, whether it be the overprotective goofball or the nagging wife, but this was just such a powerful performance; she doesn't let the focus fall off of her and her motivation for even a moment throughout the runtime.

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kateee
01/07/21 12:58:43 AM
#77:


eyyy it's almost the end of the first week which means it's time to pick our next movie soon. as i've said before, the plan is to have the movie picked by Friday which means that whoever's turn it is that week to nominate should have a batch to vote on by some time on Thursday so it will allow people time to vote and have something picked by Friday.

idk if CoolCly watched the movie but if he did, he can nominate 3-5 movies for everybody to vote on. if he did not (60% rule), then it moves to icon.

sorry if it seems like i'm just adding things on all the time but i forgot to account for some possible situations and i want to iron out consistent times and rules so everyone can easily know what's going on without constantly asking for confirmation. for the first few weeks (let's say 5), you won't be moved to the bottom of the list for not meeting the 60% (3/5). hopefully as the first few weeks go by everyone will get used to the process and things will become automatic. i'll put all the info in the spreadsheet or something because i can't edit the fucking opening post. and of course, if there are a lot of objections i'm always open to changing thingss.
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Snake5555555555
01/07/21 1:11:44 AM
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I'm Eastern time zone just to mention.

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Camden
01/07/21 1:24:13 AM
#79:


Pacific as well.

Also, I'll toss on a @CoolCly just to help grab their attention.

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CoolCly
01/07/21 1:34:27 AM
#80:


im watching the movie but icon can recommend this week

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SwiftyDC
01/07/21 2:00:11 AM
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Pacific here.

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iiicon
01/07/21 2:28:15 AM
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aw I was looking forward to what Cly would nominate. it'd probably be a tonal shift from this week!

I'm gonna keep with my theme of recommending movies I haven't seen but would like to, so while I don't endorse these fully, they're certainly on my list to watch. I'll also list where you can watch it in the States, since that's where most people here are.

Kajillionaire - SpectrumTV for streaming, $5.99 to rent on all the usual services
Portrait of A Lady On Fire - Hulu for streaming, $1.99 to rent on YouTube/Google Play (although it says it's in SD?), or $3.99 on Apple
Sound of Metal - Amazon Prime for streaming
Blade Runner 2049 - unavailable for streaming. $3.99 to rent on all the usual services
Midsommar - Amazon Prime and kanopy for streaming, $3.99 to rent on all the usual services

Hopefully this is good cross section of genres and interesting movies for people to pick from. Sorry if there's nothing from Netflix or Disney, Netflix is kinda garbage for movies lately (and I've seen all their recent ones I wanna see anyway).

I'll link to reviews for the two newer movies people might not be familiar with (I assume people know what Blade Runner, Portrait and Midsommar are). Both are from Breakfast All Day, a trio of LA critics who used to host What the Flick? before that show was cancelled.

Sound of Metal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmm3C1J6ZOk

Kajillionaire:
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kateee
01/07/21 2:35:46 AM
#83:


iiicon posted...
aw I was looking forward to what Cly would nominate. it'd probably be a tonal shift from this week!
i was thinking the same thing!

i'll @ everyone for the vote in a sec
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kateee
01/07/21 2:52:56 AM
#84:


Vote for any and all movies you would be interested in seeing for the next week (~Jan. 8th, NA). You may rank your votes from most preferred to least (do not rank movies you would not vote for) so i don't have to @ you back in case of a tie. If you do not intend to vote and are fine with whatever wins, please reply with "No Vote" so there is as little of a waiting period as possible. If you list multiple movies in your vote but you are not ranking them, please include "Not Ranked" along with your vote. Please try to vote within 24 hours.

Kajillionaire (2020)
Portrait of A Lady On Fire (2019)
Sound of Metal (2019)
Blade Runner 2049 (2017)
Midsommar (2019)

@Aecioo
@Camden
@CoolCly
@jcgamer107
@Johnbobb
@Mythiot
@Raka_Putra
@Seginustemple
@Snake5555555555
@Suprak_the_Stud
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kateee
01/07/21 2:53:11 AM
#85:


@ViolentAbacus
@Xeybozn

for the three users below, you didn't say whether you wanted to be put on the recommendation list so let me know if you do! i'll @ you weekly for the votes/movie announcements if that's the case

@tyder21
@ChichiriMuyo
@Mega_Mana
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Snake5555555555
01/07/21 2:58:28 AM
#86:


Ranked

Sound of Metal (2019)
Kajillionaire (2020)

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kateee
01/07/21 3:01:31 AM
#87:


so you can simply list your votes like this:

Kajillionaire (2020)
Sound of Metal (2019)
Midsommar (2019)
Portrait of A Lady On Fire (2019)

and i will assume they are ranked unless you say "Not Ranked"

(this post will also serve as my vote)
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Raka_Putra
01/07/21 3:46:58 AM
#88:


Portrait of A Lady On Fire (2019)
Blade Runner 2049 (2017)

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Mythiot
01/07/21 4:00:02 AM
#89:


Blade Runner 2049 (2017)
Portrait of A Lady On Fire (2019)
Sound of Metal (2019)
Midsommar (2019)
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Camden
01/07/21 4:01:31 AM
#90:


Sound of Metal (2019)
Kajillionaire (2020)
Portrait of A Lady On Fire (2019)

Already seen 2049 and Midsommar.

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Johnbobb
01/07/21 8:38:50 AM
#91:


Kajillionaire (2020)

Only one I haven't seen

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ViolentAbacus
01/07/21 8:41:58 AM
#92:


Kajillionaire (2020)

The plan is to hopefully watch Mother tonight, but if I'm not able to then definitely tomorrow.

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tyder21
01/07/21 8:45:34 AM
#93:


Sound of Metal (2019)
Kajillionaire (2020)

You can definitely keep me on the @-list.

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SwiftyDC
01/07/21 10:17:28 AM
#94:


Kajillionaire (2020)
Portrait of A Lady On Fire (2019)
Sound of Metal (2019)

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Last minute changes killed my bracket - still would've got destroyed by azuarc
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jcgamer107
01/07/21 12:02:53 PM
#95:


Well I'm sure most people have seen it but I gotta vote Midsommar 1st, and I would recommend the director's cut for a different viewing experience (just saw it for the first time last weekend). Blade Runner 2049 2nd.

Mother reaction incoming.

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Xeybozn
01/07/21 12:11:05 PM
#96:


Midsommar (2019)
Portrait of A Lady On Fire (2019)
Sound of Metal (2019)
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Suprak the Stud
01/07/21 12:19:35 PM
#97:


I am fine with any that are streaming and will go with the group consensus.

Also:

I finished Mother last night. I am at work so I don't have time to post full thoughts just yet (I'll try to tonight), but overall I thought it was excellent. I haven't seen Parasite but now I really want to if the general consensus is that it is the better film.

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kateee
01/07/21 2:35:31 PM
#98:


@Suprak_the_Stud

do you have access to kanopy? (free with library card)

so i know which movies to count your vote towards for stream votes.

i have you down for netflix, hulu, hbo max, disney, and peacock
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Seginustemple
01/07/21 4:12:32 PM
#99:


Blade Runner 2049
Sound of Metal
Portrait of a Lady On Fire
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Suprak the Stud
01/07/21 4:20:50 PM
#100:


I do not! I can try to get one soon if it is free though as I do have a library card.

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kateee
01/07/21 4:27:57 PM
#101:


if your library carries it, it's great yea!
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