Board 8 > Friendly reminder: bridge is the GOAT card game

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turbopuns3
12/30/20 1:08:40 PM
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If you enjoy trick-taking games and don't know bridge, you're fuckin' up

examples of trick-taking games: hearts, spades, euchre, rook, pinochle (last two a subset known as "point-trick" games)

That is all
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Aecioo
12/30/20 1:10:40 PM
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andylt
12/30/20 1:11:08 PM
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Aecioo
12/30/20 1:11:37 PM
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Peace___Frog
12/30/20 1:22:31 PM
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I love hearts and have played some euchre, but do not know bridge.

I'm fucking up

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skullbone
12/30/20 1:33:39 PM
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I looked up the rules and it sounds like euchre with more steps. I'll stick with euchre

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turbopuns3
12/30/20 2:35:17 PM
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skullbone posted...
I looked up the rules and it sounds like euchre with more steps. I'll stick with euchre

You should look into Go Fish and Old Maid!
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turbopuns3
12/30/20 2:36:12 PM
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I kid...I enjoy euchre. Bridge just happens to blow it out of the water no contest imo
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shane15
12/30/20 2:39:54 PM
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I got taught how to play Bridge in my first job. Really good card game.

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skullbone
12/30/20 2:53:33 PM
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turbopuns3 posted...
I kid...I enjoy euchre. Bridge just happens to blow it out of the water no contest imo

I mean it looks fun but it feels like it would take too long to memorize all of the rules without having to keep referring to some sort of guide. I can explain euchre to newcomers in about 5 minutes and they can have some sort of grasp what they're doing.

Maybe it's not as complicated as it sounds when you start playing but the investment to have fun with bridge seems too high. Card games typically succeed in my friends group because they're easy to explain

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redrocket
12/30/20 3:55:14 PM
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Counterpoint: other trick-taking games can accommodate varying player counts more easily. Bridge really needs exactly four players.

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azuarc
12/30/20 3:58:51 PM
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I like canasta.

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turbopuns3
12/30/20 4:18:21 PM
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Well sure. If "playing the game requires learning rules" is a detractor, then bridge is not for your group

And the situational numbers thing is not a fair metric to judge the merits of a game on, imo. If you can't play bridge that day, fine, you can't play bridge that day. That doesn't make it less good or a different game better, though, I don't think
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neonreaper
12/30/20 4:21:17 PM
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Aecioo posted...
a trick is what a whore does for money

or cocaine

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redrocket
12/30/20 4:25:31 PM
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I personally value versatility in number of players very highly when rating tabletop games!

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turbopuns3
12/30/20 4:27:49 PM
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redrocket posted...
I personally value versatility in number of players very highly when rating tabletop games!

That makes sense if it's an actual tabletop game you are investing in to own in your library.

We're talking about a deck of playing cards here!
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skullbone
12/30/20 4:29:35 PM
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turbopuns3 posted...
Well sure. If "playing the game requires learning rules" is a detractor,

Obviously not what I said but I'm done with this topic if you're just going to be dismissive

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turbopuns3
12/30/20 4:35:30 PM
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I obviously get what you said, relax! Lol

I'm not being the least bit dismissive I was acknowledging what you said and agreeing. Sounds like your friends would not be into it
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turbopuns3
12/30/20 4:51:59 PM
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I'd say to someone who doesn't know bridge but has played trick-taking games, I could cover everything reasonably well in about half an hour with time for clarifying questions and whatnot.

When I read your comment I took it to mean even that would be far beyond worth it to your friends since you used 5 minutes as an example of something acceptable. If you don't actually think 30 minutes of rule learning is too much, then I'm curious just how long you were estimating it would take to learn. An entire day? A weekend?

The bidding system isn't as simple as, say, spades, since you can select the trump suit as well as how many tricks you'll win. The scoring is pretty out there but I don't even consider that something a new player should care about and if playing casually you'd just play by the hand for fun and probably not finish a proper match. Scoring can factor into play later when you really understand the bidding.
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SeabassDebeste
12/30/20 4:55:32 PM
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is bridge really that much harder than euchre to learn the rules? the actual bidding rules and playing rules are incredibly simple

the scoring and endgame conditions are where it's opaque
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turbopuns3
12/30/20 4:59:51 PM
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Yeah, it's definitely an easy to learn, impossible to master kinda game
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turbopuns3
12/30/20 6:58:57 PM
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skullbone posted...
I'm done with this topic if you're just going to be dismissive

My dude...

skullbone posted...
I looked up the rules and it sounds like euchre with more steps. I'll stick with euchre



Your very first comment was that you are not interested because there are more rules than euchre. I said, but it's a better game than euchre. You said, well I don't want to take the time to learn it and my friends probably wouldn't either. I said ok it's not for you then. And somehow I'm being like, offensive here?

I apologize if my frankness rubbed you the wrong way. My intent with the topic was to spread the love of bridge, but your posts all seemed like you solidly weren't for it, so I was just letting it go rather than try to berate you for having different tastes.

Should have packaged this up with my previous post but I was at work, didn't read the full topic at once and I got a bit disconnected from who all said what. But now that I saw the bigger picture again I felt compelled to elaborate.
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guffguy89
12/30/20 7:12:24 PM
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I prefer hearts.

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MartinFF7
12/30/20 7:19:08 PM
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This is a good and true topic.

When I was in high school I was introduced to euchre and loved it and actually won a euchre tournament in university so that was pretty swell. But early in my working career I was lucky enough to have an older co-worker who knew bridge and taught it to me & 2 other younger co-workers on our lunch break, so pretty much every lunch the 4 of us were around we would play some hands, it was great.

I don't recall how it came about - I guess the two of us were really into bridge - but me and one of my younger co-workers decided to go to a bridge club once a week and start playing there, and it was funny because here we were in our 20s and everyone else there was 60+, we definitely stuck out. Though it was always nice to get compliments about how nice it was to see young people playing bridge, hahaha.

But yeah, it was always a great time and I loved bridge, I was reading up on articles and strategies and everything. And we were pretty good at the club, we had a good partnership, knew our bidding cues, and duplicate bridge is the most fun of all.

Anyways, I left the company but we kept doing our weekly visits, and then they became infrequent as work and life got in the way, and eventually stopped entirely, and that was many years ago. Pretty much never think about bridge nowadays, really only when I visit my parents I'll read the bridge column in the newspaper. I figure it'll be like riding a bike if I ever pick it back up again... though maybe not for the advanced techniques.

Bridge #1 and Euchre in a strong second place though, for sure.
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turbopuns3
12/30/20 7:45:58 PM
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MartinFF7 posted...
me and one of my younger co-workers decided to go to a bridge club once a week and start playing there, and it was funny because here we were in our 20s and everyone else there was 60+, we definitely stuck out. Though it was always nice to get compliments about how nice it was to see young people playing bridge, hahaha.

Same except without a buddy. I just started going. 60+ people who make a point to go out and do a social thing together every week like that are awesome. So much fun. And yeah, I was often the center of attention because I was 24.
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turbopuns3
12/30/20 7:51:29 PM
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guffguy89 posted...
I prefer hearts.

I like the individual scoring in hearts. And shooting the moon is so much fun...weighing the options of "do I remove all doubt that I'm going for it now, or do I wait?" is very thrilling.

Reason I like bridge better is because winning at hearts doesn't feel all that satisfying. Ironically the individuality of it makes it less appealing to me in a sense of there's more ways for my success to just be the direct result of someone else not paying attention or messing up. Of course, if I was playing with a bunch of sharks that could change.

Though, even then, randomness is a way bigger factor in hearts so I doubt it would really change the level of satisfaction.
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KingButz
12/30/20 7:51:50 PM
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I like euchre better
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turbopuns3
12/30/20 7:55:13 PM
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Why is that
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Waluigi1
12/30/20 8:50:28 PM
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I've never played or even heard of most of the games mentioned. I have heard of Bridge but know nothing about it. I've never even heard of trick-taking, what does that mean?

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turbopuns3
12/30/20 8:57:16 PM
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Basic idea of trick-taking games:

Deal out the cards so everyone has the same amount

Someone "leads" a.k.a. plays the first card by simply laying it face up on the table

General rule is, going around the table in order every player must lay down a card of the same suit as the card that was led

If a player is out of cards of that suit, they may "throw off" a.k.a. play any card they want from their hand

Once all players have put down a card, whoever played the highest card that matched the original suit "wins the trick". Generally this player then gets to lead the next trick with any card they want

At the end you count up how many tricks you won and there's points etc.

Also, some games have a trump suit, meaning any card of that suit beats any card that is not that suit and only loses to a higher trump

Whether or not one may play trump when they're not yet out of the suit that was led can differ, but generally not allowed
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turbopuns3
12/30/20 10:13:59 PM
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turbopuns3 posted...
60+ people who make a point to go out and do a social thing together every week like that are awesome.

Like, think of awesome grandparents you've met, then imagine a room full of people like that who are all just tickled to see you. It's a fun time.
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HanOfTheNekos
12/30/20 10:32:50 PM
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euchre is a boring version of pinochle

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turbopuns3
12/30/20 10:33:37 PM
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SeabassDebeste
12/30/20 11:46:52 PM
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i don't like hearts. it's fun against an AI but actually kind of boring in person

spades is my jam, but vs AIs and with people

bridge i imagine is only fun with people - being the dummy kinda sucks
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TheRock1525
12/30/20 11:49:05 PM
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But can it be played on motorcyles?

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turbopuns3
12/31/20 12:11:17 AM
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TheRock1525 posted...
But can it be played on motorcyles?

I don't see a reason why not
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Epyo
12/31/20 1:27:00 AM
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I kinda despise team-based tabletop games:

Part of the fun of a tabletop game for me is, doing whatever I want, when I want, basically. I'm trying to win, sure, but I can try new strategies every time, no big deal.

But with a teammate, there's too much pressure to try to work together, or follow strategies that they would want to follow. Feels like there are way fewer options, and I'm unable to express myself creatively.

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As for trick-taking games, I do like "Oh Hell" though. It's pretty basic, the cool twist is, you predict how many tricks you're going to win, and you get a big bonus if you end up being right. The predicting happens each round, after the deal, before you start playing the round. Not terribly strategic, but it's a good laugh.

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turbopuns3
12/31/20 1:30:52 AM
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Oh hell is loads of fun
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turbopuns3
12/31/20 1:37:19 AM
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Epyo posted...
But with a teammate, there's too much pressure to try to work together, or follow strategies that they would want to follow. Feels like there are way fewer options, and I'm unable to express myself creatively.

I get the feeling. I don't know how much room there really is for creative expression in bridge, though it might be worth pointing out that when you are the one playing the bid in bridge, you actually don't have a teammate. They lay their hand down face up and you play both hands.

My friend who taught me to play, well we like to treat the bidding more like poker as opposed to strictly following some decades old 72 times revised bidding convention. So it gets creative sometimes. He'll bid a suit he is weak in just to throw the other team off or block them out of certain bids. That wouldn't fly at an organized bridge club, but for just playing friendly house games it is a lot of fun for us.
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turbopuns3
12/31/20 10:52:05 AM
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in bridge, the four suits have an inherent rank when you're bidding. for example, a bid to win 8 tricks with Hearts as trump is a "higher" bid than a bid to win 8 tricks with Diamonds, because hearts > diamonds.

There's also a 5th option - no trump - which outranks any suit.

No Trump > Spades > Hearts > Diamonds > Clubs

so, beginning from the very minimum bid possible and working up, it would go

1 club
1 diamond
1 heart
1 spade
1 no trump
2 clubs
2 diamonds
2 hearts
2 spades
2 no trump

etc.

all the way up to the holy grail which is 7 no trump

why is 7 the highest bid when there are 13 tricks played per hand? They just subtract 6 to keep the numbers smaller, because by bidding in the first place you're asserting that your side will win a majority of tricks (a.k.a. 7). so a bid of "one diamond" means you will win 7 tricks with diamonds as trump. "two clubs" means you will win 8 tricks with clubs as trump. etc. thus a bid of 7 no trump means you will win every single trick without even needing to rely on any single suit as trump.
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DeepsPraw
12/31/20 2:09:41 PM
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Oh Hell was always my trick-taking game of choice

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