Board 8 > What do you consider to be the most revolutionary video game ever?

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What Super Mario Bros. 1 did was use scrolling to combine a large, somewhat exploreable game world with action game elements and essentially created the template for console action games. The likes of Balloon Trip scrolling before that point were nice but weren't even really playing in the same ballpark.

The Ghosts 'n Goblins arcade game came out only like a week later so platformers probably would have continued to exist and develop to some extent even without SMB1's influence, though they'd certainly have been less popular.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Make fun of the guy all you want, but he's not wrong. No one looks at Street Fighter for years on end and hopes Link or Kratos or Master Chief or whoever else gets in somehow. Even if that happened, most people wouldn't care. And I love me some Street Fighter. 5 completely murdered all of the good will that series once had.

Because that's not the type of series Street Fighter is. Nobody wished for it in Smash until Snake showed up.

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Eh, you're overblowing how big that rumor was. And once it was debunked, you didn't hear about third party characters showing up in Smash again until it actually happened.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

No series in gaming has done more for fantasy crossovers. It's legitimately the MCU of video games.

Marvel vs. Capcom came out in 1998.
original Smash came out 1999.

the MCU of fantasy crossovers is still Marvel. i mean you can still go back further for the previous entries - 96 for X-men vs Street Fighter - but MvC is probably where that one really took off. hell, the idea of random third parties being in a mainstream was a thing in Soul Calibur 2. Brawl certainly made the most hype of it but it's not revolutionary or unique.

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Lol Smashfans being Smashfans.

Sonic the Hedgehog is the correct answer. Sonic added competition to the market and showed that Mario didnt have to be the top dog.

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So Sonic was a kneejerk reaction to the more revolutionary game. Sounds like it's still SMB1.

Or Space Invaders.

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NBA Jam was absolutely not the first licensed sports game, not even close

did you forget about Bo Jackson in Tecmo Bowl? That game was licensed by the Players Association, and if you want to say that doesnt count, Tecmo Super Bowl was also licensed by the league itself.

I dont even think Tecmo Bowl was the first, its probably some soccer game on Amiga or Commodore 64 or something, just wanted to easily point out that NBA Jam was far from first.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

I was doing some research for a review I'm writing, and NBA Jam belongs on this list. First licensed sports game, and thus the first game that allowed people to cheer for teams outside their local area. Back in 1993, you had the local team (so you were at the mercy of whatever market you were in) or the random nationally televised games. That's it. NBA Jam changed all that, and it's largely why Madden partnered with the NFL soon after.

Jam also changed how basketball was played. Today it's all 3s and dunks/layups with no centers and no midrange game, but the kids who grew up to be Steph Curry and such all learned that somewhere. NBA Jam. These dudes all talk about it even today, which is nuts.

Then there's the actual game. Between the announcer, the turbo, and the fire streaks, there's nothing like it. It's nuts how influential this game was.

None of this has anything to do with revolutionizing video games. Also people definitely cheered for non-local teams before 1993, and basketball became 3s/layups because of analytics, not NBA Jam.

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Grand Theft Auto 3 comes to mind.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Analytics is gutter trash awful and I will never give it credit for anything. There is a reason it never actually wins anything in pro sports.

LMAO
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What made you like this? Like seriously. Its astonishing
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WazzupGenius00 posted...

NBA Jam was absolutely not the first licensed sports game, not even close

did you forget about Bo Jackson in Tecmo Bowl? That game was licensed by the Players Association, and if you want to say that doesnt count, Tecmo Super Bowl was also licensed by the league itself.

I dont even think Tecmo Bowl was the first, its probably some soccer game on Amiga or Commodore 64 or something, just wanted to easily point out that NBA Jam was far from first.

NBA Jam wasnt even the first licensed NBA game, by multiple years
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UltimaterializerX posted...

You can always spot someone who never played sports by whether or not they think analytics are any good. Almost every player hates them,

So which is it?
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Analytics is gutter trash awful and I will never give it credit for anything. There is a reason it never actually wins anything in pro sports.

Nothing made me happier than watching the Rays lose the world series because "analytics says to pull Blake Snell in the sixth inning because oh no he might see the batting order three times". Those laughable morons got EXACTLY what they deserved and Dodgers were literally laughing at them in postgame interviews.

Epstein won two World Series with the Red Sox and one with the Cubs using analytics. Also, whether or not it's successful is irrelevant to what led the NBA to the threes and layups playstyle. The Rockets under Morey were the most extreme example of this because they used analytics, not because Harden grew up playing NBA Jam

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It was called NBA Jam, not NBA Three. The selling point of the game was the ridiculous dunks you could do.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I can actually give you this.

Analytics is gutter trash awful and I will never give it credit for anything. There is a reason it never actually wins anything in pro sports.

Nothing made me happier than watching the Rays lose the world series because "analytics says to pull Blake Snell in the sixth inning because oh no he might see the batting order three times". Those laughable morons got EXACTLY what they deserved and Dodgers were literally laughing at them in postgame interviews.

You realize that the Dodgers are basically the Rays with money, right?

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Original Madden was pretty revolutionary at the time.

Also Mortal Kombat.

Myst.

Edit: EverQuest or World of Warcraft. Maybe both. They weren't the first MMO's but they were definitely the biggest. WoW especially, companies were chasing that dragon for what seemed like a decade.

That reminds me, guess I'd put DOTA up there too.

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DOTA is a good mention. Likewise the founders of other genres, like Herzog Zwei, Colossal Cave Adventure, or Karate Champ.

EDIT: I know HZ isnt a fully formed RTS as we define it now, but it clearly inspired Dune II and Warcraft, and it created some RTS systems without any prior inspiration.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

That thing was a jalopy

The Model T is more revolutionary than the Mustang though.

I guess thats sort of the mindset disparity seen throughout this topic; whether you see revolutionary more as being original or being perfection refinement
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if it's an MMO i still say it's gotta be Ultima Online because that was the one that made it for everyone else and was relatively popular. definitely a place for DOTA because it managed to create a new sub-genre that greatly outclassed the original in a way that produced new markets and an industry shift - it's a great call. hell, the fact that it came from a mod is another point in its favor. new genre, new business models, off a game mod.


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I can't imagine games today without [Bomberman Hero].

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