Board 8 > What do you consider to be the most revolutionary video game ever?

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which

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Super Mario Bros

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SMB or Mario 64.
the latter immediately grasped 3D gameplay as that console generation occurred and set the foundation for the future there. it's rough now but still very playable. former is SMB and defined core mechanics of gaming still used today.

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Wanglicious posted...

SMB or Mario 64.

The latter was my first thought but either is an acceptable answer.

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Pokemon Red/Blue

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dance dance revolution

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You have 50 minutes for me to tell you why it's Dragon Quest V?

https://youtu.be/X7vs4w8XcAA

But like from a purely structural standpoint, yeah probably either Super Mario Bros, Wizardry, or The Portopia Serial Murder Case just based on pure influence. And being Super Mario Bros.

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Underleveled posted...

The latter was my first thought but either is an acceptable answer.

That's what i thought too really. Like technically SMB is a huge milestone but I can't help but think all its lessons would've been learned elsewhere in that same time period. Mario 64 meanwhile... It says a lot to add an entirely different movement axis and get it right immediately.

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Honorable mention goes to Pong for proving video games can be a profitable business.

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Kinglicious posted...

That's what i thought too really. Like technically SMB is a huge milestone but I can't help but think all its lessons would've been learned elsewhere in that same time period. Mario 64 meanwhile... It says a lot to add an entirely different movement axis and get it right immediately.

I mean you can say "another game would've gotten it right eventually" about anything, even Mario 64

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Every time you play a game on a console you're playing the impact of Mario 1.

Mario 64 isn't even the first Mario with 3D movement!

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Mario 64

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LeonhartFour posted...

I mean you can say "another game would've gotten it right eventually" about anything, even Mario 64

Oh totally. But it's the difference of getting it within 1-2 years and getting it a generation later.

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Yeah, SMB. I would throw in GTA III for an honorable mention that hasn't come up yet. Helped popularize a more open world model for console games.

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What exactly makes SMB more revolutionary than something like Donkey Kong or Pitfall? It's certainly an improvement in the formula of "guy running to the right and jumping" but SM64 feels like a better answer to me. Not trying to be cynical I'm curious what was so revolutionary about SMB.

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What exactly makes SMB more revolutionary than something like Donkey Kong or Pitfall? It's certainly an improvement in the formula of "guy running to the right and jumping" but SM64 feels like a better answer to me. Not trying to be cynical I'm curious what was so revolutionary about SMB.

The scale of SMB was leagues beyond what anyone else was doing on consoles on the time. Console games were just home versions of something that you could play in arcades at that point. SMB was probably the first console game that really showed what the market could become

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Space Invaders

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Pong/Pacman/Super Mario Bros

there are other big ones but I feel those have the biggest foundations

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After the Mario series, it might be Super Smash Bros. Melee. We went from a Nintendo crossover platform-fighting game to a series that:

* Popularized tournaments to becoming an international phenomenon throughout the series
* In doing so, gained the top attendance at EVO 2019 and Smash 4 was also shown on Disney XP once at EVO 2018
* Spawned multiple documentaries
* Single-handedly challenged the FGC with its ever growing cluster of fans vs the scattered fans across multiple titles
* Spawned a sequel that featured 3rd-party characters which was unheard of for its time
* Spawned another sequel that brought forth said tournaments to international status
* Spawned yet *another* sequel that brought back 70+ characters from the entire series which, again, is unheard of. Marvel vs. Capcom 2 and Mortal Kombat Armageddon had a similar concept but not nearly to the level of depth, variety, or copyright-securing that Nintendo accomplished.

Smash has completely broken ground worldwide. Every time a new game was coming out, even on the weak Wii U, the entire world's eyes are on it. No game has people requesting their favorite characters to be added quite like the Smash series. It's the perfect unification of competitive fighter and party platform-fighting game. The attention to detail with animations, sound effects, backgrounds, and music is, again, unheard of for any other game to emulate.

The reason I say Melee has nothing to do with its scene or meta. The foundation Melee built was an achievement on its own thanks to the single-player unlockables, extra content, gorgeous visuals, amazing soundtrack, and everything it spawned afterward. SSB64 felt like a prototype in comparison. Melee brought forth the things we loved in Brawl, Smash 4, and SSBU and was used in the foundation for these magnificent games.

There is nothing in the world like Smash.

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Symphony of the Night

Almost everything there can be said for Street Fighter 2 only it's a significantly bigger monster. Melee not even top 20 in this considering the only thing it revolutionized was other Smash games.

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Brawl more revolutionary than Melee

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I hate to say it since I don't particularly like the game but Final Fantasy VII was pretty revolutionary.

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Metroid started its own genre.

Going to throw out Quake for popularizing online play.

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guess if we're naming shit randomly...

the PC wing would probably go...

Ultima Online
Doom
Half Life 2
Starcraft
The Sims
Team Fortress 2 (especially when you consider the F2P model since that's the grandpa of gacha and lootboxes)

console wing...
Super Metroid (i'd cite this one for the Metroidvania genre more so than the previous games)
Metal Gear Solid
FF7
Devil May Cry
Halo
Demon's Soul? though maybe Dark Souls would be better suited here.

was also thinking of a rhythm game in there like Beatmania or DDR since they did greatly impact the arcade market and expanded into consoles but unsure.

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If we are talking about Melee

Let's get real and talk about Counter Strike.
That's done everything Melee has done and some.

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Super Mario Bros

honorable mention to Adventure.

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A lot of games have done everything melee has done and then some because it shouldn't even be in this discussion

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Super Mario Bros
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The first game to come to mind was Metal Gear Solid. It did things that I'd never seen before (the helicopter sequence near the beginning used the rumble feature in a transformative nature), and it was arguably more effective in providing a cinematic experience than even FF VII.

I would have given it to SMB3...

Ultima Online's another consideration.

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Uglyface2 posted...

The first game to come to mind was Metal Gear Solid. It did things that I'd never seen before (the helicopter sequence near the beginning used the rumble feature in a transformative nature), and it was arguably more effective in providing a cinematic experience than even FF VII.

yeah i agree with you , and the first person to mention it

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Actually agree Super Smash Bros is at least worth considering. But you had X-Mem vs Street Fighter sorta giving proof of concept to crossover fighters being worth thinking about so it does diminish it somewhat

I mean I guess the weird damage system and sheer scale would count for something but I'd say having character crossovers in a fighter counts for the meat and Capcom had been doing that for a while now

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I think there's a few good candidates, and they're (basically) all older than anything anyone has mentioned so far. Of them, I'm going to go with Spacewar! as my choice.

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MetalmindStats posted...

I think there's a few good candidates, and they're (basically) all older than anything anyone has mentioned so far. Of them, I'm going to go with Spacewar! as my choice.

Came in to say Spacewar!

SMB1 is the most important game of all time but its not the most revolutionary
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Yesmar_ posted...

The scale of SMB was leagues beyond what anyone else was doing on consoles on the time. Console games were just home versions of something that you could play in arcades at that point. SMB was probably the first console game that really showed what the market could become

This really isnt true. It was just the first to do it so well

I would actually say DK was more revolutionary for inventing platforming
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Yeah but again, SMB wasnt the first side scroller. The entire gimmick of the Famicom was that it could do horizontal scrolling better than ever before
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UltimaterializerX posted...

A lot of those crossovers (and I'm sorry for this) were still considered "real and legitimate fighters worthy of the name of fighting game". Smash 64 came along and there was this huge paradigm shift.

You know you're revolutionary when you're the disrupter and the established order hates you

If you're going that route you're actually arguing for Melee I'd say. Smash 64 tourneys never really got big enough to register for fighting game elitists.

I don't really think causing "u mad" in a fairly small section of gamers is enough to be thought of in this discussion though

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SMB1.

Y'all 20 and unders really have no idea just how primitive and boring the games before it really were and why it was such a huge fucking deal.
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Space Invaders being the first game to have some way of saving (in it's case, a High Score) undoubtedly shaped it's success and the entirety of gaming as we know it.

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Endgame posted...

SMB1.

Y'all 20 and unders really have no idea just how primitive and boring the games before it really were and why it was such a huge fucking deal.

Im almost 40. I was there. It was incredible. Its not the most revolutionary
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UltimaterializerX posted...

People dont get that gaming was basically going to die thanks to Atari and ET, until Mario showed up.

Another huge exaggeration

The US Console market crashed. It has no effect on arcades, computer games, or anything in Japan.
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It's SMB1

anyone who says otherwise is delusional or purposely trying to be some sort of video game hipster.

God this reminds me of people parroting the WWE version of history where Hulk Hogan brought wrestling out of the smoke-filled dark arenas and into the mainstream
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