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BignutzisBack
12/07/20 10:58:00 PM
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Lil baby has burst on the scene the past year with numerous smash Hits



What are your thoughts

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DirkDiggles
12/07/20 11:01:31 PM
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Spiderman23JII
12/07/20 11:01:36 PM
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No he's good though

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The Trent
12/07/20 11:02:01 PM
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yeah but ken-oh wait you accounted for that

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TrueSephir0th
12/07/20 11:02:57 PM
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Vicious_Dios
12/07/20 11:03:01 PM
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Both of them are dope, but overrated.

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Kastrada
12/07/20 11:03:29 PM
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Most of his stuff is too similar to the standard melodic, trap rapper stuff that his peers do.

Having said that, The Bigger Picture shows he has a far higher ceiling than any of them.

As for "best" rapper in the past ten years, it's Kendrick and Drake as 1A and 1B. Kendrick for talent and Drake for influence.

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soulunison2
12/07/20 11:03:57 PM
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YoJoe
12/07/20 11:05:47 PM
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He's not a good rapper but his flow is good on beats. He's actually got garbage rhymes

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YoJoe
12/07/20 11:06:22 PM
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Kastrada posted...
Most of his stuff is too similar to the standard melodic, trap rapper stuff that his peers do.

Having said that, The Bigger Picture shows he has a far higher ceiling than any of them.

As for "best" rapper in the past ten years, it's Kendrick and Drake as 1A and 1B. Kendrick for talent and Drake for influence.

Drake is not a good rapper.

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Flockaveli
12/07/20 11:07:54 PM
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Definitely not. I dont even know how hes so popular. Hes fine, hes enjoyable and not terrible, but what made him stand out? As opposed to dozens of other Atlanta rappers who sound near identical to him.

You think about the last few famous rappers of every year, Travis, Drake, Kanye, Post, etc. and Lil Baby is just kinda okay.

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YoJoe
12/07/20 11:21:30 PM
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Its literally just his voice and aura. There's nothing special about him.

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Kastrada
12/08/20 12:06:20 AM
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YoJoe posted...
Drake is not a good rapper.

Yeah I never said he was a good rapper. I said "best" in quotations. And pointedto Kendrick for talent and Drake for influence.

So yeah, good reading comprehension.

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YoJoe
12/08/20 12:23:00 AM
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Kastrada
12/08/20 12:23:59 AM
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YoJoe posted...
Maybe you should have said that then.


Kastrada posted...
As for "best" rapper in the past ten years, it's Kendrick and Drake as 1A and 1B. Kendrick for talent and Drake for influence.

Yeah....

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YoJoe
12/08/20 12:27:04 AM
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g0ldie
12/08/20 12:33:30 AM
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it's probably his year as far as success goes, but I've never been a fan of his music.

this year, I've been listening to more Benny and Sada Baby

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Smashingpmkns
12/08/20 12:35:36 AM
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Kastrada posted...
Drake for influence.

I think most of that influence can be sourced back to Kanye one way or another.
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Kastrada
12/08/20 12:46:37 AM
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g0ldie posted...
it's probably his year as far as success goes, but I've never been a fan of his music.

this year, I've been listening to more Benny and Sada Baby

I think Griselda and Roddy have had a far bigger year than Lil Baby.

Smashingpmkns posted...
I think most of that influence can be sourced back to Kanye one way or another.

All of the influence would source back to both Kanye and Wayne for today's sound. But the past ten years have been molded by Drake for better or worse.

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pauIie
12/08/20 1:19:53 AM
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g0ldie
12/08/20 1:20:36 AM
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Kastrada posted...
I think Griselda and Roddy have had a far bigger year than Lil Baby.
could be, tbh.

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masterbarf
12/08/20 1:20:58 AM
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DirkDiggles posted...
Who?


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g0ldie
12/08/20 1:24:02 AM
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oh yea, even though there's a posthumous push in their popularity, King Von and Pop Smoke were legit blowing up before they were killed.

...both of them were also a lot better than Lil Baby

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Kastrada
12/08/20 1:26:08 AM
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g0ldie posted...
this year, I've been listening to more Benny and Sada Baby

Benny fucking murdered a Kayslay track. Just stop the video after Trae finishes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a34NRVd2P0c

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Bishop9800
12/08/20 1:27:35 AM
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DirkDiggles posted...
Who?


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g0ldie
12/08/20 1:32:53 AM
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Kastrada posted...
Benny fucking murdered a Kayslay track. Just stop the video after Trae finishes.
thanks, it's been a long time since I've listened to AZ

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pauIie
12/08/20 1:38:41 AM
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Kastrada posted...
Griselda

i wish i loved these dudes but it hasn't happened for me yet

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Kastrada
12/08/20 1:46:02 AM
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pauIie posted...
i wish i loved these dudes but it hasn't happened for me yet

It took me a while to come around to Conway and especially Westside

But Benny was immediate.

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Perascamin
12/08/20 2:04:27 AM
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Kastrada posted...
Most of his stuff is too similar to the standard melodic, trap rapper stuff that his peers do.

Having said that, The Bigger Picture shows he has a far higher ceiling than any of them.

As for "best" rapper in the past ten years, it's Kendrick and Drake as 1A and 1B. Kendrick for talent and Drake for influence.
I guess J Cole just don't exist huh

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AreteWastrel
12/08/20 2:09:09 AM
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Lil Baby not even better than his father Thugger come on now
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jon1012
12/08/20 2:46:16 AM
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Lil Baby is only alright imo

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Lost_All_Senses
12/08/20 2:52:33 AM
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I still don't get him. He's featured on a lot of tracks I listen to and his verse doesn't ruin the songs, but he's also not growing on me at all. I can't see myself ever caring enough to look for his music. It's whatever if he keeps getting features tho, there's far worse.

DaBaby and Sada Baby are both superior Babys lol. Also maybe Baby Spice. Not Birdman Baby tho, that dude is bottom 5 of all time. Talk about trash.

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Kastrada
12/08/20 3:09:26 AM
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Perascamin posted...
I guess J Cole just don't exist huh

He's not on either of their level in terms of influence (Drake) or talent (Kendrick). He's third best of their era though.

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MrResetti
12/08/20 3:18:05 AM
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Run the Jewels are more up my alley

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im not 13
12/08/20 3:26:37 AM
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Kastrada posted...
He's not on either of their level in terms of influence

From when a rapper is rated on his 'clout' instead of his skill really shows hip hop is dead

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g0ldie
12/08/20 3:32:12 AM
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im not 13 posted...
From when a rapper is rated on his 'clout' instead of his skill really shows hip hop is dead
how so?

rap appeals to a wider audience now, and there are more artists/styles to cater to different people.

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Kastrada
12/08/20 8:24:29 AM
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im not 13 posted...
From when a rapper is rated on his 'clout' instead of his skill really shows hip hop is dead

It's hilarious seeing people who don't know anything about the culture bitch and moan that Drake would be considered one of the most important rappers in the past decade.

I'm not even a Drake fan. I like lyrics. I like soul. Most of Drake's music doesn't really have that to me. But I still won't be blinded by backpacker rage to deny his influence. It's not a good thing. It's not a bad thing. It's just what it is.

Side note: Drake actually does have skills.He's an above average rapper. But that won't move units.


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The Trent
12/08/20 8:38:41 AM
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Kastrada posted...
Most of his stuff is too similar to the standard melodic, trap rapper stuff that his peers do.

Having said that, The Bigger Picture shows he has a far higher ceiling than any of them.

As for "best" rapper in the past ten years, it's Kendrick and Drake as 1A and 1B. Kendrick for talent and Drake for influence.

no sorry it's kendrick 1a and kendrick 1b i'm sorry please don't be mad
drake can be the cultural influence guy, but he is not even close to the best rapper in the past ten years

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im not 13
12/08/20 2:25:26 PM
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Kastrada posted...
It's hilarious seeing people who don't know anything about the culture bitch and moan that Drake would be considered one of the most important rappers in the past decade.

I'm not even a Drake fan. I like lyrics. I like soul. Most of Drake's music doesn't really have that to me. But I still won't be blinded by backpacker rage to deny his influence. It's not a good thing. It's not a bad thing. It's just what it is.

Side note: Drake actually does have skills.He's an above average rapper. But that won't move units.

You said Drake was the "best" rapper equating influence to actual skill which is rating much higher in the "culture" you claim i don't know about

Being a good rapper does have ties to influence but it is hardly the deciding factor


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Kastrada
12/08/20 4:33:23 PM
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im not 13 posted...
You said Drake was the "best" rapper equating influence to actual skill which is rating much higher in the "culture" you claim i don't know about

No....if I was equating influence to skill, I wouldn't have used the quotes around "best".

Drake is one of the best rappers because of his massive influence.
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Drake is one of the "best" rappers because of his massive influence.

Not the same. The whole point of using those is because there is no single best rapper because it encompasses so many things that help and hurt rappers.

And actual skill has never been the deciding factor in ranking people. Rakim was a much more skillful rapper than Tupac and the vast majority of the culture places Pac on top. If actual rapping ability were giving as much respect in these "best" rapper talks, Kool G Rap would be talked about way more than he is now.

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RchHomieQuanChi
12/08/20 4:37:07 PM
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Not even the best rapper with baby in his name from the past 10 years

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Stewman_Magoo
12/08/20 4:39:41 PM
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I haven't heard of him, but he has 'lil' as a prefix so I'm going with no

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im not 13
12/08/20 5:23:47 PM
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Kastrada posted...
No....if I was equating influence to skill, I wouldn't have used the quotes around "best".

Drake is one of the best rappers because of his massive influence.
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Drake is one of the "best" rappers because of his massive influence.

Not the same. The whole point of using those is because there is no single best rapper because it encompasses so many things that help and hurt rappers.

And actual skill has never been the deciding factor in ranking people. Rakim was a much more skillful rapper than Tupac and the vast majority of the culture places Pac on top. If actual rapping ability were giving as much respect in these "best" rapper talks, Kool G Rap would be talked about way more than he is now.

Yes of course it would be hard to vs rappers because of the things you've just mentioned personal preference how they rap subject matter etc

But to me the bar is set much lower than before and its much easier to pit rappers against each other. Drake is no way better than J Cole on the sole reason hes more popular and my original point is if thats the only reason people consider him better then its not the same art form it was before

During the Nas vs Jay Z beef there was so many things to talk about what what made which rapper better. No one was talking about Jay Z sold more records and if they did they would get shut down

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MaxEffingBemis
12/08/20 5:27:50 PM
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I cannot get into trap music

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Vicious_Dios
12/08/20 6:45:38 PM
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MaxEffingBemis posted...
I cannot get into trap music

Then you're severely missing out. That shit made hip hop actually tolerable.

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Kastrada
12/08/20 9:48:23 PM
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im not 13 posted...
Yes of course it would be hard to vs rappers because of the things you've just mentioned personal preference how they rap subject matter etc

But to me the bar is set much lower than before and its much easier to pit rappers against each other. Drake is no way better than J Cole on the sole reason hes more popular and my original point is if thats the only reason people consider him better then its not the same art form it was before

You are acting like lyrics are the end-all-be-all. That's never been the case in hip-hop. I am not not not saying these four are the same at all. Because I know someone will take it this way.

Let's look at Tupac. Lyrically Biggie smokes him. But Pac had better cross over appeal with beats, hooks. His legacy and sales have eclipsed Biggie. The vast majority of people that aren't backpackers or NY heads are going to put Tupac ahead of Biggie in a list.

Now on a much much much lower scale, Drake has far more cross over appeal, sales, influenced the current sound of rap as it is now. J. Cole is a great rapper and has his own thing going but he's always been third in the GOAT of his class.

It's always been:
  1. Kendrick
  2. Drake
  3. J. Cole
  4. Big Sean trailing behind comfortably.
The only reason I put Drake and Kendrick as the 1A/1B is because they are both two sides of the same coin.
Lyrics, flows, albums, etc...

In every category you can think of for a rapper, one of those two will do it better than J. Cole. Now if you are talking lyrically, then yes J. Cole destroys Drake no contest. But that's not what the topic is about nor is it what I am talking about. It's about the total package over the past 10 years.

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im not 13
12/09/20 4:25:27 AM
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Kastrada posted...
You are acting like lyrics are the end-all-be-all. That's never been the case in hip-hop. I am not not not saying these four are the same at all. Because I know someone will take it this way.

Let's look at Tupac. Lyrically Biggie smokes him. But Pac had better cross over appeal with beats, hooks. His legacy and sales have eclipsed Biggie. The vast majority of people that aren't backpackers or NY heads are going to put Tupac ahead of Biggie in a list.

Now on a much much much lower scale, Drake has far more cross over appeal, sales, influenced the current sound of rap as it is now. J. Cole is a great rapper and has his own thing going but he's always been third in the GOAT of his class.

It's always been:
1. Kendrick
2. Drake
3. J. Cole
4. Big Sean trailing behind comfortably.
The only reason I put Drake and Kendrick as the 1A/1B is because they are both two sides of the same coin.
Lyrics, flows, albums, etc...

In every category you can think of for a rapper, one of those two will do it better than J. Cole. Now if you are talking lyrically, then yes J. Cole destroys Drake no contest. But that's not what the topic is about nor is it what I am talking about. It's about the total package over the past 10 years.

What measure are you using when you pit Drake vs Cole aside from influence and lyricism

To me, J Cole has more meaningful albums but again this goes back to my point the measure is different and I'm not saying you are wrong by saying in todays standards Drake is better but its different than how it used to be.

Ja rule was as big as Drake in his time but how many times do you hear people saying he was a goat? He sold records but because he had so much competition any argument about him being the best would get shut down quickly. He wasn't even that bad of a rapper but he is definitely the equivalent of Drake for his time

Yes influence has always been a goalpost in rap i mean Jay Zs influence is the reason I feel like no matter how much Nas is a better rapper (imo) Jay won the war because of his respect and reach. But take away one crucial element from the equation, the fact that Jay Z is a great rapper himself, it holds no weight

I feel like the fact that Drake is influential is the gleaming factor of why people think he's the best. That's not how it used to be.

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bevan306
12/09/20 4:56:36 AM
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I mean going by influence lil b is the best rapper from the past decade or so. But if going by quality of their output... wait lil b might still be the best rapper

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Smackems
12/09/20 4:59:37 AM
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Has there been a lil lil yet

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