Board 8 > NFUN Ranks 1000 VGM. Yes. For Real. I Promise. When Have I Ever Let You Down?

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hello

it is i

it returns

for real this time

it's all rated. there's writeups. everything is ready to go.

no fakesies

ok one small fakesy. it's not technically *all* done... but i've just gotten to the block of songs i really enjoyed, and, for obvious reasons, i'll be more motivated to get through those quicker. i decided, as today is my 5-year anniversary of joining b8, now was as good a time as any to start this topic

rankings will start... two weeks from now?

remember the system I had last time? The multiple metrics, supposed to represent the dual nature of how much I "like" a song, and where I felt it deserved to place in the rankings? turns out, that just made it impossible to sort anything and caused nothing but pain. So, I have once more devised a new system for rating songs. Listen closely folks, because here it comes:

"Personal": How much I like a song
"Deserved": Binary value of whether or not it was a good nomination

That's it. That's my method. No more futzing about with whether songs were memorable, if I had heard them before, how to deal with the inevitable glut of songs that I "enjoy" but don't actually care about. Nope, either a song deserved to be nominated for a ranking, or it didn't... that's an overly harsh way of putting it, don't worry. As it's *my* metric, it's arbitrary, and pretty inconsistently given out. It basically boiled down to how I felt while listening to it, whether I was "glad" it was nominated. This has a mutable meaning depending on where the song placed. For songs I didn't greatly enjoy, it indicated that the song was "unique" somehow, or noteworthy. Strange songs that brought something new to the table, strong examples of their genre, the types of things I might consider nominating for somebody else if I wanted a representative of the song's "type" were the type of entries that got this designation, derived from a method related to my tastes but independent from my enjoyment. For songs that I did like a lot, it was a metric more-or-less indicating that I hadn't heard the song before, and it wasn't extremely similar to a cookie or generic example

As you should be able to tell, my weakness in doing large rankings is dealing with songs that I don't find noteable at all, the famous "aight/10" tier. I've also a weakness in how I scale songs, being pretty susceptible to the phenomenon of some score ranges having very little members. I'm also not as analytical in these things as you might expect. So, I'm going to be doing this a little weird. First off, even though this topic was around for more than two years, most of the scoring was done over a few months, after I had abandoned attempting to make this rigorous. I don't generally do very detailed writeups, and many will be even sparser than usual. You can ask me to do a more in-depth writeup for any song if you want.

Here are my general tiers for scoring:

TIER "I hate you arti." [0, 4): Songs that I just don't like. Maybe they had moments, but on the whole, please spare me
TIER "Snake5x10" [4, 5): Songs that I *almost* can say I enjoy. They're here because still too much of them I don't like, I just kind of dislike them a little the whole way through, or they're too "insubstantial" for me to even really notice
TIER "5" [5,5]: Songs that aren't. White noise. Not even music to me
TIER "ASANO WHY" (5, 6): Songs that I *almost* generally dislike. They're here because there are more-or-less substantial parts of them I like or I like them just barely the whole way through. Something is holding them back from getting into the higher tiers
TIER "Pablo" [6, 7.5): Songs that are... there. I like them... I guess. They're aight. I don't like them *that* much. I don't dislike them either. Elevator music in enjoyment--even if they're aggressive and grab your attention, I can just kind of pretend they're not there. I tend to want to skip them before too long out of boredom or disinterest
TIER "slorsp" [7.5, 9): Songs I would confidentally say I like. I'd be happy to hear them in a guessing game, and would likely save and listen to later. This is the transition point for Deserved assignment
TIER "bagner" [9, 10]: Songs that I'd consider favorites. Outside of other considerations, these are definitely VGMC support-worthy, and I thank you for nomming them. If you get a song I haven't heard in here, consider yourself a winner

And here is where the weirdness sets in: Pablo songs do not have proper scores/placement. Sure, I've internally scored them, and this may be revealed or used to determine their release order, but it's very *very* sketchy (I'm not entirely sure what I'll do with them--maybe I'll split them into two tiers instead). I cannot consistently rate songs with an absolute value because I do not care about them enough to, and there's just far, *far* too many to concretely rate relative to one another. They just don't fit into my natural scoring tendencies well. It's like trying to write with somebody else's handwriting--you might do well at first, but eventually you look back and realize somewhere along the way it morphed back into yours. Songs I rated a full point apart could've just as easily had their scores reversed (I really just ended up compressing everything in this tier to 7-7.4 at a certain point). I really can't do much about this if you ever want this topic to finish, just as I can't distinguish from sight, without a reference, small variations of shades of grey. Here, and earlier, Deserved songs get shot to the top of their tier. I may not like them too much, but at least they Are. You'll have to live with my very DETAILED and INFORMATIVE writeups to give you real information about how I felt about the song. Or, just accept that you contributed to mediocrity, the cardinal sin of artistry

In the other tiers, scores, with songs more-or-less properly ranked in reference to one another, *are* concretely given, and are ranked like in a normal ranking. For the highest two tiers, being Deserved gives a song .5 bonus points. Yes, that means in theory a song can get 10.5. I'm sad that my well-calibrated old scoring system that keeps the max reasonable isn't in use. Oh well. We'll see if anything actually gets that high

Alright I think that's it. I'll post some number of songs per day that will day until we reach some milestone and/or unstated arbitrary conditions after which point(s) I'll post some other number of songs per day unless I decide to keep posting the same number of songs per day. I will ping you when I rank a song unless you tell me not to, in which case I'll probably forget and still ping you but I'll try not to. Also, a few nominators who only nominated a couple of songs each and who I just can't contact lost their noms and I instead gave them to Scholteheim. I forgot who these people are. I could check, but I'm sure none of you will miss them either. Don't worry, none of their songs were particularly good anyway. One of them nominated Sanctuary from Kingdom Hearts. Can you believe that? It's like they were trying to get last!

Anyway here's the sheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19yUaznS4nLUnJ555Kn3yohZnggjug_wmLq_IBc_DS-w/edit?usp=sharing

Let's go

ps i'll gladly take suggestions to fix my shitty genre labeling in the document

pps you can make predictions if you want... but only the top 200 songs will count for it. winner gets a game or a soundtrack or something, themed around a top song. we'll hash it out when we get there

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cautious optimism

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Nice I got a tier

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Wow, my nominations were horrible. This was so long ago that I don't even remember doing any of those.

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hello

it is i

it returns

for real this time

it's all rated. there's writeups. everything is ready to go.

no fakesies

ok one small fakesy. it's not technically *all* done... but i've just gotten to the block of songs i really enjoyed, and, for obvious reasons, i'll be more motivated to get through those quicker. i decided, as today is my 5-year anniversary of joining b8, now was as good a time as any to start this topic

rankings will start... two weeks from now?

remember the system I had last time? The multiple metrics, supposed to represent the dual nature of how much I "like" a song, and where I felt it deserved to place in the rankings? turns out, that just made it impossible to sort anything and caused nothing but pain. So, I have once more devised a new system for rating songs. Listen closely folks, because here it comes:

"Personal": How much I like a song

"Deserved": Binary value of whether or not it was a good nomination

That's it. That's my method. No more futzing about with whether songs were memorable, if I had heard them before, how to deal with the inevitable glut of songs that I "enjoy" but don't actually care about. Nope, either a song deserved to be nominated for a ranking, or it didn't... that's an overly harsh way of putting it, don't worry. As it's *my* metric, it's arbitrary, and pretty inconsistently given out. It basically boiled down to how I felt while listening to it, whether I was "glad" it was nominated. This has a mutable meaning depending on where the song placed. For songs I didn't greatly enjoy, it indicated that the song was "unique" somehow, or noteworthy. Strange songs that brought something new to the table, strong examples of their genre, the types of things I might consider nominating for somebody else if I wanted a representative of the song's "type" were the type of entries that got this designation, derived from a method related to my tastes but independent from my enjoyment. For songs that I did like a lot, it was a metric more-or-less indicating that I hadn't heard the song before, and it wasn't extremely similar to a cookie or generic example

As you should be able to tell, my weakness in doing large rankings is dealing with songs that I don't find noteable at all, the famous "aight/10" tier. I've also a weakness in how I scale songs, being pretty susceptible to the phenomenon of some score ranges having very little members. I'm also not as analytical in these things as you might expect. So, I'm going to be doing this a little weird. First off, even though this topic was around for more than two years, most of the scoring was done over a few months, after I had abandoned attempting to make this rigorous. I don't generally do very detailed writeups, and many will be even sparser than usual. You can ask me to do a more in-depth writeup for any song if you want.

Here are my general tiers for scoring:

TIER "I hate you arti." [0, 4): Songs that I just don't like. Maybe they had moments, but on the whole, please spare me

TIER "Snake5x10" [4, 5): Songs that I *almost* can say I enjoy. They're here because still too much of them I don't like, I just kind of dislike them a little the whole way through, or they're too "insubstantial" for me to even really notice

TIER "5" [5,5]: Songs that aren't. White noise. Not even music to me

TIER "ASANO WHY" (5, 6): Songs that I *almost* generally dislike. They're here because there are more-or-less substantial parts of them I like or I like them just barely the whole way through. Something is holding them back from getting into the higher tiers

TIER "Pablo" [6, 7.5): Songs that are... there. I like them... I guess. They're aight. I don't like them *that* much. I don't dislike them either. Elevator music in enjoyment--even if they're aggressive and grab your attention, I can just kind of pretend they're not there. I tend to want to skip them before too long out of boredom or disinterest

TIER "slorsp" [7.5, 9): Songs I would confidentally say I like. I'd be happy to hear them in a guessing game, and would likely save and listen to later. This is the transition point for Deserved assignment

TIER "bagner" [9, 10]: Songs that I'd consider favorites. Outside of other considerations, these are definitely VGMC support-worthy, and I thank you for nomming them. If you get a song I haven't heard in here, consider yourself a winner

And here is where the weirdness sets in: Pablo songs do not have proper scores/placement. Sure, I've internally scored them, and this may be revealed or used to determine their release order, but it's very *very* sketchy (I'm not entirely sure what I'll do with them--maybe I'll split them into two tiers instead). I cannot consistently rate songs with an absolute value because I do not care about them enough to, and there's just far, *far* too many to concretely rate relative to one another. They just don't fit into my natural scoring tendencies well. It's like trying to write with somebody else's handwriting--you might do well at first, but eventually you look back and realize somewhere along the way it morphed back into yours. Songs I rated a full point apart could've just as easily had their scores reversed (I really just ended up compressing everything in this tier to 7-7.4 at a certain point). I really can't do much about this if you ever want this topic to finish, just as I can't distinguish from sight, without a reference, small variations of shades of grey. Here, and earlier, Deserved songs get shot to the top of their tier. I may not like them too much, but at least they Are. You'll have to live with my very DETAILED and INFORMATIVE writeups to give you real information about how I felt about the song. Or, just accept that you contributed to mediocrity, the cardinal sin of artistry

In the other tiers, scores, with songs more-or-less properly ranked in reference to one another, *are* concretely given, and are ranked like in a normal ranking. For the highest two tiers, being Deserved gives a song .5 bonus points. Yes, that means in theory a song can get 10.5. I'm sad that my well-calibrated old scoring system that keeps the max reasonable isn't in use. Oh well. We'll see if anything actually gets that high

Alright I think that's it. I'll post some number of songs per day that will day until we reach some milestone and/or unstated arbitrary conditions after which point(s) I'll post some other number of songs per day unless I decide to keep posting the same number of songs per day. I will ping you when I rank a song unless you tell me not to, in which case I'll probably forget and still ping you but I'll try not to. Also, a few nominators who only nominated a couple of songs each and who I just can't contact lost their noms and I instead gave them to Scholteheim. I forgot who these people are. I could check, but I'm sure none of you will miss them either. Don't worry, none of their songs were particularly good anyway. One of them nominated Sanctuary from Kingdom Hearts. Can you believe that? It's like they were trying to get last!

Anyway here's the sheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19yUaznS4nLUnJ555Kn3yohZnggjug_wmLq_IBc_DS-w/edit?usp=sharing

Let's go

ps i'll gladly take suggestions to fix my shitty genre labeling in the document

pps you can make predictions if you want... but only the top 200 songs will count for it. winner gets a game or a soundtrack or something, themed around a top song. we'll hash it out when we get there

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Snake5555555555 posted...

Nice I got a tier

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Those are what I nominated, huh.

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hey what the fuck how do I not get my own tier

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TIER "Bane has shit taste" [0,0]

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There we go

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Sonic 3D is in the H section of the data sheet, presumably because it had a hyperlink. Also: "Zelda Cdi", "Zelda: The Twilight Princess".

perhaps i will also post my ranking topic sooner or later

i'm sure people still expect me to do that

i didn't nominate anything

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sergiocornaga posted...

Sonic 3D is in the H section of the data sheet, presumably because it had a hyperlink. Also: "Zelda Cdi", "Zelda: The Twilight Princess".

Looking through bad nominations in total (including things I've fixed while ranking), it's very interesting that it's usually only a few people that can't seem to do it right...

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More things: Ultionus: A Tale of Petty Revenge - Wandering was made by A_Rival, not Jake Kaufman, DM DOKURO has different capitalization for the two Terraria Calamity Mod songs, there are three MOTHER 3s and one Mother 3... let me know if you want me to keep going with this sort of thing.

One Ace Attorney track is all the way up in the Js because it omits Phoenix Wright from its title.
Soul/SoulCalibur has three different franchises and are split on the game list due to one person not using the correct name of the series (no spaces).
There's franchises for Xeno, Xenogears, Xenosaga and Xenoblade (and the Xeno franchise includes songs from all of the games).
One Reflec Beat song is listed in the beatmania franchise but the rest are in their own franchise.
The Hatsune Miku songs have two different franchises despite all being from the same series. Same thing with Touhou.
One Danganronpa song has the franchise with different capital letters, creating another franchise split. Same thing with DOOM, inFamous, and The World Ends With You.
Bakamitai's composer is Mitsuharu Fukuyama. It's literally on the screen that pops up before the song starts!

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I appreciate the corrections

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Arti posted...

Bakamitai's composer is Mitsuharu Fukuyama. It's literally on the screen that pops up before the song starts!

jfc rufus called it unknown??? it isn't like sega doesnt credit composers or release albums

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These are some random as fuck nominations I made. I think I nominated a game that didn't have a song prior to my post.

I probably made that same comment the first time you attempted to do this but then had things come up.

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WickIebee posted...

These are some random as fuck nominations I made. I think I nominated a game that didn't have a song prior to my post.

I probably made that same comment the first time you attempted to do this but then had things come up.

You used a randomizer for some of your noms

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It looks like I had the wrong song title for Skygunner - To the Distant Sky whenever I nominated for this.

Either that or VGMDB has the wrong title now but I'm going to guess that isn't the case.
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Oh hey I remember nominating these.

What was it, a year ago? Years? I can't remember..

PSI_NESS posted...

Oh hey I remember nominating these.

What was it, a year ago? Years? I can't remember..

bout two and a half

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NFUN posted...

bout two and a half

Dang.

well good job finally following through!

How aggressively should I post songs? I could finish this before VGMC noms start, which would include very rapid rankings (of course, many songs I had difficulty finding anything to say about, but ranking super fast would preclude me expanding write-ups as the topic progressed)

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Gotta go fast!

@Raetsel_Lapin
Godzilla - Before Level
Gauntlet: The Third Encounter - Untitled Track (lol good luck)

@Prody_Parrot
SDVX IV - l
beatmandia 19 - F -cosMo@??P Remix-

@MycroProcessor
RDZ - Oxygen Plant

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Godzilla's OST has been completely removed. The closest is this "remastered version" that is horrible, but is a version of the right song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wbnrheOoNY

Gauntlet: The Third Encounter was reuploaded under the title of "Character Select":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8ggc-qing8

...sound feels slightly off (I remember it being lower quality which added a harshness to it that I loved), but that could just be me forgetting how it sounded as I haven't listened to it for a while.
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Actually, give me a bit of time and I'll see if I can reupload the Godzilla song myself. I have no idea why I nominated it, but I might as well try to get the actual song uploaded anyway.
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you can give me a link or file and i'll reupload it

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If you'd like, that would be more convenient for me, thank you. PM'd you the link.
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It turns out I had that Godzilla song saved in my reuploads folder under a weird different name already. wild

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So Google Sheets is the worst software in history and has completely fucked up my document. While I work up the motivation to fix this, please enjoy the chaos that it is at the moment

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SDVX IV - l
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBNFSQ1CN0k

beatmandia 19 - F -cosMo@??P Remix-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmkRoC2BaX0

NFUN posted...

How aggressively should I post songs? I could finish this before VGMC noms start, which would include very rapid rankings (of course, many songs I had difficulty finding anything to say about, but ranking super fast would preclude me expanding write-ups as the topic progressed)

Any other takes? I'd be doing on average 10 songs/day with this, though the upper tiers would progress slower

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10 songs per day is perfectly fine

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Be as aggressive as you feel you need to. You certainly won't finish at 10/day before VGMC.

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Post all 1000 at once as a continuous sequence of posts with no line breaks or formatting whatsoever.

Please don't do this
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It would be hilarious, though.

1000. Crazy Bus - Title Nominated by: Lefty This song is the worst thing ever conceived in the history of video gaming. 999. The Adventures of Rad Gravity - Title Nominated by: rwlh This song comes really close, though, like it were competing for the bottom slot. 998. Final Fantasy X-2 - A Thousand Words nominated by: somebody I really wanted to put this at #1000 because holy crap is it bad and there would have been a beautiful dichotomy with having 1000 words at #1000, but as much as I might be all about the memes, I couldn't justify putting it below those other two. 997. ...

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1000. Final Fantasy X-2 - 1000 Words
Nominator: @Bane_Of_Despair
0 (0/0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhOS1RwDK90
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yes
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Though actually after clicking on the video I realize the melody I was thinking of in my head was the one for the superior FF vocal song Kiss Me Goodbye.

1000 Words still reasonably good though.
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(the rankings don't start until tomorrow i just wanted to make sure azuarc knew exactly where i stood)

addendum to this ranking: i technically just bought FFX-2 and I feel very dirty because of it

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yes, I remember your original 1000 Words ranking, which is the only reason it got mentioned at all in lieu of more widely accepted "bad" songs.

NFUN posted...

i technically just bought FFX-2 and I feel very dirty because of it

Duck soup! Duck what?


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good song, too low

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NFUN posted...

i technically just bought FFX-2 and I feel very dirty because of it

Good

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Good that he bought it or good that he feels dirty?

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azuarc posted...

Good that he bought it or good that he feels dirty?

Knowing Bane, both

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999.Hatsune Miku: Project DIVA F - Hand in Hand
Nominator: @Arti
1.5 (1.5/0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SKA6PmcLuQ
I hate you arti.

God, this song uses so many overplayed musical tropes that I hate *in addition to* the terrible vocaloid. An absolute tragedy. Fantastic work as usual arti. One down, God knows how many to go

WHY IN GOD'S NAME DOES PLAIN TEXT MODE ADD QUOTES WHEN COPYING FROM SHEETS? WHY DOES THIS STUPID BROKEN SITE HAVE TO MAKE EVERYTHING MORE DIFFICULT THAN IT NEEDS TO BE? HOW DO THEY BREAK EVERYTHING, DOWN TO THE SIMPLEST FEATURES?
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