Current Events > AOC: Would Rittenhouse be released if he were Muslim and did the same thing?

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Lebronwon
11/21/20 11:20:29 PM
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https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1330227510358007810



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Arcanine2009
11/21/20 11:23:15 PM
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BilalPowell posted...
He might be Muslim. Nobody ever said his religion. Pretty racist of AOC to assume his religion.
He is Christian. This is well known

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ScazarMeltex
11/21/20 11:24:03 PM
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BilalPowell posted...
He might be Muslim. Nobody ever said his religion. Pretty racist of AOC to assume his religion.
Shut the fuck up.

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Flauros
11/21/20 11:24:03 PM
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How would someone religion play into getting out of jail in a case like this?


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LostForest
11/21/20 11:25:09 PM
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If a bunch of idiots raised $2 million for his bail, then yeah, he would.

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Letron_James
11/21/20 11:26:48 PM
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I love me some AOC

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Esrac
11/21/20 11:29:28 PM
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Flauros posted...
How would someone religion play into getting out of jail in a case like this?

She is trying to suggest that the justice system is discriminatory in a way that a Muslim would not have been given the option for bail at all. While also accusing Rittenhouse of being a white supremacist who is being protected by the justice system.
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FursonaNonGrata
11/21/20 11:30:24 PM
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If he was anything other than a white dude he wouldve been arrested or gunned down by the cops the second he showed up with a gun.

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vigorm0rtis
11/21/20 11:30:55 PM
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LostForest posted...
If a bunch of idiots raised $2 million for his bail, then yeah, he would.

Hard to say. Someone suspected of "terrorism" might not be granted bail.

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littlebro07
11/21/20 11:30:58 PM
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LostForest posted...
If a bunch of idiots raised $2 million for his bail, then yeah, he would.

Probably this but let's be honest he very likely would have been gunned down instead of allowed to leave the scene of a double homicide he committed

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RamboCell29
11/21/20 11:32:23 PM
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If the liberals and Democrats can bail out rioters and violent criminals let Conservatives bail out a guy who clearly defended himself.

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Unsugarized_Foo
11/21/20 11:33:35 PM
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vigorm0rtis posted...
Hard to say. Someone suspected of "terrorism" might not be granted bail.

Like this guy keeps getting blamed for?

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shnangyboos
11/21/20 11:33:59 PM
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What is the "diff context" she's referring to? Seems like she's suggesting an entirely different scenario and saying it would be different.

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VipaGTS
11/21/20 11:34:25 PM
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FursonaNonGrata posted...
If he was anything other than a white dude he wouldve been arrested or gunned down by the cops the second he showed up with a gun.
Ding ding ding. He walked towards the cops with his gun. Anyone else gets gunned down out of fear. He got pats on the back and atta boy!s while being told he should leave to avoid any issues.

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BilalPowell
11/21/20 11:34:47 PM
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RamboCell29 posted...
If the liberals and Democrats can bail out rioters and violent criminals let Conservatives bail out a guy who clearly defended himself.
Didnt defend himself until after he already killed one guy.

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vigorm0rtis
11/21/20 11:34:50 PM
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Like this guy keeps getting blamed for?

Yeah, people just saying he's a terrorist doesn't mean he's treated like one by the law.

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Zodd3224
11/21/20 11:35:49 PM
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Trumpism has only made AOC stronger

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Sad_Face
11/21/20 11:38:24 PM
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The kid is an American hero. It would not matter what his religion was given how his support came from the footage where we all see him acting in defense and showing incredible restraint in wielding a weapon against multiple aggressors.

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RamboCell29
11/21/20 11:38:33 PM
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BilalPowell posted...
Didnt defend himself until after he already killed one guy.

Very possibly and likely defended himself from the first guy...

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Zikten
11/21/20 11:39:46 PM
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Sad_Face posted...
The kid is an American hero. It would not matter what his religion was given how his support came from the footage where we all see him acting in defense and showing incredible restraint in wielding a weapon against multiple aggressors.

Every witness says he started the fight. He was looking to shoot someone and purposely taunted people til they attacked and then he shot them
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Tyranthraxus
11/21/20 11:42:58 PM
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shnangyboos posted...
What is the "diff context" she's referring to? Seems like she's suggesting an entirely different scenario and saying it would be different.

The tweet isn't really about Rittenhouse. He was just being used as an example of her previous point where right wing pundits are complaining Democrats want to let out violent criminals while missing the point that privileged violent criminals are already being released.

If you prefer, swap out Rittenhouse for the affluenza kid except make him a poor black teenager instead of a muslim. Her point remains unaffected.

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fan357
11/21/20 11:49:04 PM
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I like AOC but this is a stupid take. If the situation was totally different would something different happen?

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Tyranthraxus
11/21/20 11:50:25 PM
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ITT: everything is the same except the guy believes in a different sky fairy means the situation is "totally different"

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nothanks1
11/21/20 11:52:00 PM
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idiotic speech as per usual from her
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St0rmFury
11/21/20 11:52:25 PM
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If he was black, he wouldn't even make it past that night.
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Heineken14
11/21/20 11:53:34 PM
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If he were muslim and did the same thing, the cops wouldn't have arrested him alive.
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shnangyboos
11/21/20 11:54:13 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
ITT: everything is the same except the guy believes in a different sky fairy means the situation is "totally different"


She said "did the same thing in a different context". It's pretty obvious different context doesn't refer to simply having a different religion.

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Zodd3224
11/21/20 11:54:43 PM
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St0rmFury posted...
If he was black, he wouldn't even make it past that night.


Heineken14 posted...
If he were muslim and did the same thing, the cops wouldn't have arrested him alive.


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MachineJaipur
11/21/20 11:56:28 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
ITT: everything is the same except the guy believes in a different sky fairy means the situation is "totally different"
Jokes on all of us, the Muslim God is the same God as the other Abrahamic religion Gods.
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Kazi1212
11/21/20 11:57:39 PM
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I mean, theres plenty of white Muslims as well, would he have been released if he was a white Muslim?

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Esrac
11/21/20 11:59:38 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
The tweet isn't really about Rittenhouse. He was just being used as an example of her previous point where right wing pundits are complaining Democrats want to let out violent criminals while missing the point that privileged violent criminals are already being released.

If you prefer, swap out Rittenhouse for the affluenza kid except make him a poor black teenager instead of a muslim. Her point remains unaffected.

If you want to argue that the justice system is unduly harsh on black males, that is an entirely fair appraisal.

However, based off the evidence we have, the characterization of Rittenhouse as a violent lunatic, domestic terrorist that you can see so often is a poor one. I haven't looked in a while, but last I checked all of the actual evidence supports his self defense claims. Its not like he was indiscriminately gunning down as many people as possible, in the way that typical active shooters would.

Like, at most he should be punished for being in possession of the weapon while still being a minor. Maybe some wreckless endangerment.
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gamer167
11/22/20 12:04:40 AM
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Yes, even if he was Muslim if he posted bail he would be released.
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Tyranthraxus
11/22/20 12:08:24 AM
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Esrac posted...
If you want to argue that the justice system is unduly harsh on black males, that is an entirely fair appraisal.

However, based off the evidence we have, the characterization of Rittenhouse as a violent lunatic, domestic terrorist that you can see so often is a poor one. I haven't looked in a while, but last I checked all of the actual evidence supports his self defense claims. Its not like he was indiscriminately gunning down as many people as possible, in the way that typical active shooters would.

Like, at most he should be punished for being in possession of the weapon while still being a minor. Maybe some wreckless endangerment.

Evidence that he defended himself isn't the same thing as the "Self defense" affirmative defense you use in court to escape a murder charge. You don't get to start shit, then kill someone when they attack you, then claim self defense.

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MachineJaipur
11/22/20 12:16:54 AM
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gamer167 posted...
Yes, even if he was Muslim if he posted bail he would be released.
Nobody on the right would have posted his bail for him.
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Lorenzo_2003
11/22/20 12:17:58 AM
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Zikten posted...
Every witness says he started the fight. He was looking to shoot someone and purposely taunted people til they attacked and then he shot them

Bruh, taunting people is not a crime. I can stand in a public place with my registered firearm and talk shit all I want. Other people also have the right to talk shit back at me. They dont have the right to rush me down with ill intent, and I dont have that right either. Now if you feel youre being specifically harassed and stalked by anyone, either with or without a weapon, then that would be a different argument and I recommend calling the cops.

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Esrac
11/22/20 12:18:14 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Evidence that he defended himself isn't the same thing as the "Self defense" affirmative defense you use in court to escape a murder charge. You don't get to start shit, then kill someone when they attack you, then claim self defense.

You would first need to prove he started the confrontation, and I don't think we have evidence of that. Just being there and armed isn't enough to claim he started anything. I suspect the fact that he only fired his weapon after attempting to flee a physical altercation would likely support the self defense claim.
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Kingbuffet
11/22/20 12:19:39 AM
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It makes you think, doesnt it?
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Sad_Face
11/22/20 12:21:48 AM
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Zikten posted...
Every witness says he started the fight. He was looking to shoot someone and purposely taunted people til they attacked and then he shot them

The first dude he shot got into altercation with someone who dressed similarly to Kyle (Green shirt, hat, and jeans). And said slain dude was reported going around setting fires, which is the reason why Kyle was seen running around with an extinguisher, to quell the fires before they become a danger. This is likely the reason why the slain dude ended up chasing after Kyle, due to him preventing fires and him assuming that Kyle was the guy he got into an argument previously.

Where are you getting your information from? The above has been from recorded footage.

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DrizztLink
11/22/20 12:23:22 AM
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Esrac posted...
You would first need to prove he started the confrontation, and I don't think we have evidence of that. Just being there and armed isn't enough to claim he started anything. I suspect the fact that he only fired his weapon after attempting to flee a physical altercation would likely support the self defense claim.


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Tenlaar
11/22/20 12:24:07 AM
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I agree that a (I'm assuming she means non-White) Muslim kid would most likely not get the same treatment, the problem is that she comes across as wanting Rittenhouse treated worse rather than just saying the hypothetical Muslim should be treated better.
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Esrac
11/22/20 12:32:44 AM
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DrizztLink posted...

Haven't seen a Gamergate cartoon in a while.

Tenlaar posted...
I agree that a (I'm assuming she means non-White) Muslim kid would most likely not get the same treatment, the problem is that she comes across as wanting Rittenhouse treated worse rather than just saying the hypothetical Muslim should be treated better.

I dont know where you get that impression. Pointing out that our justice system would treat a (probably brown) Muslim person worse than it treats a white christian isnt suggesting that she thinks the white person should be treated worse.
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Tenlaar
11/22/20 12:34:43 AM
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Esrac posted...
I dont know where you get that impression. Pointing out that our justice system would treat a (probably brown) Muslim person worse than it treats a white christian isnt suggesting that she thinks the white person should be treated worse.
She says that he actually is the "violent person roaming free" that the right scapegoats about and that him being released is protection of white supremacy, does that give you the impression that she supports him being released?
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Esrac
11/22/20 12:42:10 AM
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Tenlaar posted...
She says that he actually is the "violent person roaming free" that the right scapegoats about and that him being released is protection of white supremacy, does that give you the impression that she supports him being released?

The point of what she's saying isn't that "white person should be treated worse than muslim person". She is saying that in the current state of our justice system, due to systemic racism, a violent criminal who is white is afforded leniency that would not be offered to minorities, like Muslims.

Additionally, she seems to be trying to make a "take that" at people who argue against the "Defund the Police" rhetoric because it would mean more violent criminals would be walking free, by saying we already have that and pointing out Rittenhouse as a violent criminal who is free due to his privilege.

I'm not really onboard with her position, but there is nothing there to suggest she thinks a white person should be treated worse than a muslim person.
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Tenlaar
11/22/20 12:47:47 AM
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Esrac posted...
The point of what she's saying isn't that "white person should be treated worse than muslim person". She is saying that in the current state of our justice system, due to systemic racism, a violent criminal who is white is afforded leniency that would not be offered to minorities, like Muslims.

Additionally, she seems to be trying to make a "take that" at people who argue against the "Defund the Police" rhetoric because it would mean more violent criminals would be walking free, by saying we already have that and pointing out Rittenhouse as a violent criminal who is free due to his privilege.

I'm not really onboard with her position, but there is nothing there to suggest she thinks a white person should be treated worse than a muslim person.
I didn't say treated worse than the Muslim person, I just said treated worse, as in also treated like the hypothetical Muslim would be treated. You're adding in the "worse than" element. She clearly does not think that Rittenhouse should have been released, if she doesn't think that he should be afforded that leniency then why should she think the equivalent Muslim should be?
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VTBM
11/22/20 12:49:43 AM
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Depends, would they still be attacking him?

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MKScorpion
11/22/20 12:53:51 AM
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Let's be real, If he was a black or hispanic man and had killed two MAGA boys in the streets the right would be crucifying him right now.
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skermac
11/22/20 12:56:03 AM
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Anyone with the money will be released on bail

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Solid Snake07
11/22/20 12:56:09 AM
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I don't get it, does she want to eliminate bail for people charged with a violent crime?

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Esrac
11/22/20 12:57:49 AM
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Tenlaar posted...
I didn't say treated worse than the Muslim person, I just said treated worse, as in also treated like the hypothetical Muslim would be treated. You're adding in the "worse than" element. She clearly does not think that Rittenhouse should have been released, if she doesn't think that he should be afforded that leniency then why should she think the equivalent Muslim should be?

I see. Then you should've just said "treated as badly as the muslim".

Regardless, the gist of her post is about the unequal treatment of minorities vs whites in our justice system. She is complaining that Rittenhouse got bail because of his white privilege in a white supremacist system, when he should not have. Suggesting that she doesn't think either should be treated as leniently.

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MutantJohn
11/22/20 12:59:41 AM
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MKScorpion posted...
Let's be real, If he was a black or hispanic man and had killed two MAGA boys in the streets the right would be crucifying him right now.

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