Board 8 > Nintendo lawyers creating another melee shitstorm

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GTM
11/19/20 7:27:49 PM
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RikkuAlmighty
11/19/20 7:29:11 PM
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Melee HD Remaster with online play confirmed
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redrocket
11/19/20 7:32:06 PM
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Just one step closer to the Crash.

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StealThisSheen
11/19/20 7:32:38 PM
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I think Nintendo's entirely in their right on this one. The tourney runners are profiting off of this and using emulation/mods which have the potential to paint the game in an unfavorable light should bugs/whatever happen.

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WazzupGenius00
11/19/20 7:35:47 PM
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oh no, painting a game that has been out of print for 12 years in a negative light

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StealThisSheen
11/19/20 7:41:19 PM
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I mean if the tourney organizers didn't outright advertise "YO WE USIN' MODS" and weren't profiting off of it, this wouldn't be a problem. They treated it like a legitimate tournament despite using mods and sold tickets/whatever the hell they now have to refund, so it's pretty fair for Nintendo to "wait, no?"

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jcgamer107
11/19/20 7:42:13 PM
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It's an online Melee tournament, of course it's using a mod

RikkuAlmighty posted...
Melee HD Remaster with online play confirmed
really the only excuse for this is that they have this ready to go for 2021, which they obviously don't, so let them play.

StealThisSheen posted...
using emulation/mods which have the potential to paint the game in an unfavorable light should bugs/whatever happen.
Slippi netplay is pretty bug-free. Even if hiccups did occur, 99% of viewers would understand why.

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Jakyl25
11/19/20 7:43:22 PM
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Theyre entirely in their legal right but this is freaking silly
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Jakyl25
11/19/20 7:44:07 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
I mean if the tourney organizers didn't outright advertise "YO WE USIN' MODS" and weren't profiting off of it, this wouldn't be a problem. They treated it like a legitimate tournament despite using mods and sold tickets/whatever the hell they now have to refund, so it's pretty fair for Nintendo to "wait, no?"


I mean there really is no way to do a legitimate online Melee tournament
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Bane_Of_Despair
11/19/20 7:44:21 PM
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They're in their right but it makes them look fuckin shitty, big surprise from Nintendo

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MysticBrohan
11/19/20 7:44:55 PM
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Fuck Nintendo. Thank god for Slippi otherwise Melee would be dead as fuck during covid. Sorry for wanting to play your game Nintendo my bad

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StealThisSheen
11/19/20 7:45:41 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
I mean there really is no way to do a legitimate online Melee tournament

Then don't do an online Melee tournament if you still want to profit off of your event? Like, I hate to side with the corporation here, but it kinda feels like common sense.

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skullbone
11/19/20 7:46:03 PM
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You guys realize that if they don't fight things like this then they would lose fights in the future against emulation right? You have to defend intellectual property

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RikkuAlmighty
11/19/20 7:47:37 PM
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Yeah nintendo is actually justified in this case imo
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PrivateBiscuit1
11/19/20 7:47:47 PM
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skullbone posted...
You guys realize that if they don't fight things like this then they would lose fights in the future against emulation right? You have to defend intellectual property
Not quite how it works for something like this.

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jcgamer107
11/19/20 7:47:49 PM
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When it comes down to it it's just a dick move. Streamers are making money streaming Netplay already.

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StealThisSheen
11/19/20 7:48:01 PM
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MysticBrohan posted...
Fuck Nintendo. Thank god for Slippi otherwise Melee would be dead as fuck during covid. Sorry for wanting to play your game Nintendo my bad

To be fair, I'd agree with you if they were doing anything against Slippi, but they're not.

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Heroic Bigpun
11/19/20 7:48:33 PM
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Jakyl and bane said what I was gonna say

They can do this if they want but because it's so technical and petty they're still assholes for it

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red13n
11/19/20 7:49:34 PM
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Nintendo doesn't want people playing Melee. They gain nothing from it, tbh.

Move on.

Or create actual demand for them to re-release melee with online play(Please dont Nintendo).

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_stingers_
11/19/20 7:49:36 PM
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They can't do anything against slippi, it uses code injection into an emulator to function, both of which are 100% legal

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StealThisSheen
11/19/20 7:51:03 PM
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red13n posted...
Nintendo doesn't want people playing Melee. They gain nothing from it, tbh.

Move on.

That's not true since they've supported tourneys in the past

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GTM
11/19/20 7:52:26 PM
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Bonus nintendo lawyers in action

https://twitter.com/Linkus7/status/1329553346131333120

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Jakyl25
11/19/20 7:53:42 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...


Then don't do an online Melee tournament if you still want to profit off of your event? Like, I hate to side with the corporation here, but it kinda feels like common sense.


I dont think they normally would! A pandemic is kind of a special circumstance.
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Paratroopa1
11/19/20 7:53:46 PM
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Nintendo is "within their legal rights" but this is a dumb move on their part. Nintendo wouldn't be where they are right now if not for a thriving online community. You have to find a way to overlook this while still protecting your trademark in order to create goodwill with fans and to keep the community growing.
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Heroic Bigpun
11/19/20 7:54:08 PM
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GTM posted...
Bonus nintendo lawyers in action

https://twitter.com/Linkus7/status/1329553346131333120
.....is he from those places?

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MysticBrohan
11/19/20 7:57:56 PM
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Its just frustrating because this is obviously a temporary measure for the pandemic. i reallywish they would just leave Melee alone. They should know after Evo 2013 this is gonna be a PR nightmare

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red13n
11/19/20 7:58:18 PM
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Heroic Bigpun posted...
.....is he from those places?

Europe

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red13n
11/19/20 7:59:28 PM
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MysticBrohan posted...
Its just frustrating because this is obviously a temporary measure for the pandemic. i reallywish they would just leave Melee alone. They should know after Evo 2013 this is gonna be a PR nightmare

I'd say they should just release it with online play but we all know this is beyond Nintendo's programming capabilities. It would just be a disappointment.

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pjbasis
11/19/20 8:00:03 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
I mean if the tourney organizers didn't outright advertise "YO WE USIN' MODS" and weren't profiting off of it, this wouldn't be a problem. They treated it like a legitimate tournament despite using mods and sold tickets/whatever the hell they now have to refund, so it's pretty fair for Nintendo to "wait, no?"

This is so anti consumer though. Damn we really gotta protect the pockets of Nintendo and stop a whole community from being able to exist in the process because Nintendo deems them too small to profit off.

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MysticBrohan
11/19/20 8:00:56 PM
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No way they could give it online half as good as Slippi. Theyve had 3 tries and its still abysmal.

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StealThisSheen
11/19/20 8:01:27 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
I dont think they normally would! A pandemic is kind of a special circumstance.

Which is fair, but where I tend to side with Nintendo is the fact that they apparently contacted them and asked them not to run the online Melee portion, which would've left the Ultimate tourney still intact. They refused, so Nintendo shut the whole thing down. Silly? Sure, a little bit. But there are so many steps in the "This could have been avoided" category that they ignored/refused that it's very hard for me to feel like Nintendo overstepped.

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pjbasis
11/19/20 8:05:37 PM
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RikkuAlmighty
11/19/20 8:06:32 PM
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pjbasis posted...
This is so anti consumer though. Damn we really gotta protect the pockets of Nintendo and stop a whole community from being able to exist in the process because Nintendo deems them too small to profit off.
"anti-consumer" is thrown around a lot on the internet. A business protecting its intellectual property at the risk of inconveniencing an objectively small subset of its consumerbase is not anti-consumer. It's business.
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RikkuAlmighty
11/19/20 8:07:24 PM
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GTM posted...
Bonus nintendo lawyers in action

https://twitter.com/Linkus7/status/1329553346131333120
But this one is a dumb move on Nintendo.
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UltimaterializerX
11/19/20 8:07:59 PM
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Shutting down a fun online thing during covid.

Good job, Nintendo.

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WazzupGenius00
11/19/20 8:12:31 PM
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skullbone posted...
You guys realize that if they don't fight things like this then they would lose fights in the future against emulation right? You have to defend intellectual property
People mention this all the time but it's straight up not true for copyright, it only matters for trademark protection, which this doesn't violate at all. Also even for trademark protection it generally only works like this if you attempt to come after a specific person after previously not taking action against that same specific person


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TomNook
11/19/20 8:50:02 PM
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Still blows my mind the amount of Melee players who aren't able to adapt to new Smash games. I get that you are afraid of not being good at new games because you have to relearn them, but it's still silly for them to die on this hill.

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kateee
11/19/20 9:02:35 PM
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yeah seriously

if you aren't exclusively playing the newest entry in a series you need to open your eyes and get with the program. it really doesn't even matter how "good" it is because you are denying these big companies the support they rightly DESERVE
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KanzarisKelshen
11/19/20 9:06:33 PM
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TomNook posted...
Still blows my mind the amount of Melee players who aren't able to adapt to new Smash games. I get that you are afraid of not being good at new games because you have to relearn them, but it's still silly for them to die on this hill.

Signed, a person who never played Street Fighter Super Turbo

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jcgamer107
11/19/20 9:11:01 PM
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TomNook posted...
Still blows my mind the amount of Melee players who aren't able to adapt to new Smash games. I get that you are afraid of not being good at new games because you have to relearn them, but it's still silly for them to die on this hill.
Most Melee players also play Ultimate. They're different enough, and Melee still plays well enough that it's sticking around.

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ninkendo
11/19/20 9:24:00 PM
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heck yeah, keep killin Melee they deserve it

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PrivateBiscuit1
11/19/20 9:33:29 PM
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KanzarisKelshen posted...
Signed, a person who never played Street Fighter Super Turbo
Okay DSP

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MawiIe
11/19/20 9:37:56 PM
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leaving nintendo "no choice"

they super had a choice though.

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KamikazePotato
11/19/20 9:49:23 PM
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...
They're in their right but it makes them look fuckin shitty, big surprise from Nintendo


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NFUN
11/19/20 9:49:38 PM
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shoutouts to everybody defending this as "within legal rights" and "it's just business" as if that actually addresses the issues at all

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paperwarior
11/19/20 10:09:29 PM
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This news made me want to try this game. Melee feels strange after all this time. There are no controller settings in Melee, so no tap jump off, c stick to tilt, or remapping buttons in-game, although you can certainly do that last part on PC. Not sure how much using a PS controller is an issue.

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RikkuAlmighty
11/19/20 10:20:05 PM
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NFUN posted...
shoutouts to everybody defending this as "within legal rights" and "it's just business" as if that actually addresses the issues at all
Ok what are the issues pray tell
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Kenri
11/19/20 10:23:36 PM
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"It's impossible to be an asshole as long as everything you do is within your legal rights" is definitely a winning argument.

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RikkuAlmighty
11/19/20 10:31:12 PM
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It's better than "but we want to do this and you're not letting us hmph!"

Also no one said anything about legally allowed = not asshole. See my post about the twitch thing above.
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MawiIe
11/19/20 10:35:25 PM
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Ok I'll give this a shot and argue with a lawyer over something I know little about. It's the B8 way.

The argument is usually made that if nintendo doesn't push back on emulation/modding/etc then nintendo can lose the right to push back in the future against all of these types of categories. As far as I can tell, these are basically copyright rules copy pasted 1/1 into categories that aren't actually copyright. No cooperation has yet to lose the power to (here's where I'll trip up and use the technical wrong legal term so please put the right one in when you read this) pursue action on emulation based on inaction. You could look at this as them playing it safe, which is exactly what they're doing. But there are lots of other things that could make nintendo lose copyright control over their products that nintendo doesn't guard as heavily and treat as militantly. (well nintendo actually does, as super smash bros on it's own is basically a showcase of "hey we still own literally all of this" but other major video game companies don't go this far, and I imagine without smash, nintendo wouldn't bother either.) Nintendo is basically on the front of "what should we do with media that we own but we want to resell but also we can't resell because we don't have the technology yet" so they get to basically make the rules deciding what they can and can't do legally. They're not at the whim of the law, they're making the law. They're the viacom or disney of video games, so saying "that's just the way the law works! Shrug!" is dishonest. The law works whatever way they want it to work because at the end of the day it's going to be an incredibly wealthy company going to sue some neckbeard who owns 34 copies of pokemon but copy number 25 is a rom.

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