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Judgmenl
10/29/20 9:21:58 AM
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Good thing Trump grew a mainly oblivious voter base which doesn't even realize we're living in a pandemic, ok?

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FatalAccident
10/29/20 9:25:13 AM
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That one in the middle, no electoral college majority, house decided the election. Wtf is that about.

if theres a straight up tie then congress flips a coin to who becomes president?

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Judgmenl
10/29/20 9:25:49 AM
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FatalAccident posted...
if theres a straight up tie then congress flips a coin to who becomes president?
House votes for the President in an Electoral College tie.

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FatalAccident
10/29/20 9:26:12 AM
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What is the house ?

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Judgmenl
10/29/20 9:27:13 AM
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FatalAccident posted...
What is the house ?
Are you not American?
Edit: It's the half of Congress that's not the Senate.
The one you mainly don't hear about.

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FatalAccident
10/29/20 9:31:55 AM
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Im not American. So if the house has an existing republican majority already then its likely trump would win in that scenario?

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Judgmenl
10/29/20 9:35:09 AM
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FatalAccident posted...
Im not American. So if the house has an existing republican majority already then its likely trump would win in that scenario?
The House has had a Democrat majority ever since 2018.
The Senate is the one that's Republican controlled right now.

In a case of the tie, things get weird tho. The House doesn't vote like it would normally (House has representatives from the states based on population instead of 2 per state), they instead get 1 vote per state, which would be interesting to see in states that have both Republican and Democrat Representatives.

Tie is still very unlikely anyways.

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Serrin
10/29/20 9:35:52 AM
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FatalAccident posted...
Im not American. So if the house has an existing republican majority already then its likely trump would win in that scenario?

  1. The House currently has a democratic party majority.
  2. FiveThirtyEight did a similar prediction last election. Their poll and other similar polls caused many people to stay home and helped Trump massively.

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Judgmenl
10/29/20 9:38:10 AM
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1. The House currently has a democratic party majority.
2. FiveThirtyEight did a similar prediction last election. Their poll and other similar polls caused many people to stay home and helped Trump massively.

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Plus the methodology changed, and is now stricter than it was in 2016.

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Clench281
10/29/20 9:42:44 AM
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FatalAccident posted...
Im not American. So if the house has an existing republican majority already then its likely trump would win in that scenario?

The House is made up of representatives across the USA. States are split up into districts roughly equal in population size (with a minimum of one, even if a state has lower population than the average district) to total 435 congressional districts. The apportioning is redone every ten years according to the census.

Currently the house's composition is
Majority Democratic (232)
Minority Republican (197)
Other Libertarian (1)


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FatalAccident
10/29/20 9:43:29 AM
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Ooh okay makes sense

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streamofthesky
10/29/20 9:47:03 AM
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538 needs to kindly shut the fuck up and quit making people complacent.
Report on state polling, sure.
these fucking gambling odds for the overall election are cancerous, though

Judgmenl posted...
House votes for the President in an Electoral College tie.
If only it were that fair (which it already arguably wouldn't be)

It's actually not just a straight up House vote. It's like one vote per state. Which means Republicans auto-win, b/c they control more states (but less population). Which makes you wonder why the fuck it isn't just a Senate vote at that point, since that's the branch of Congress that's equal representation for each state...

FatalAccident posted...
Im not American. So if the house has an existing republican majority already then its likely trump would win in that scenario?
Dems control the House now and are pretty much certain to next year as well, though. But it doesn't matter, b/c the people who wrote the Constitution didn't expect our politics to devolve into hyper partisan two party warfare. I mean, they should have...they're the ones that set us up to fail w/ first past the post voting and the electoral college, but yeah.

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Clench281
10/29/20 10:29:19 AM
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streamofthesky posted...
It's actually not just a straight up House vote. It's like one vote per state. Which means Republicans auto-win, b/c they control more states (but less population).

The new house would be the one to make the vote, and it has to be a majority (26 states), right? If republicans currently have 26 states, losing one state would make it unresolvable, wouldn't it? (Though the senate would end up selecting Pence as VP)

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YoukaiSlayer
10/29/20 10:32:23 AM
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11% chance of doom is still higher than I'd like.

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BADoglick
10/29/20 10:35:50 AM
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I'm not so confident, I think Trump supporters are more excited about MAGA than the left is about Biden. Hopefully I'm wrong

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FatalAccident
10/29/20 10:38:10 AM
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BADoglick posted...
I'm not so confident, I think Trump supporters are more excited about MAGA than the left is about Biden. Hopefully I'm wrong
Pretty sure youre right, Biden wouldnt fill me with much confidence from what Ive seen of him so far.

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kind9
10/29/20 10:46:04 AM
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FatalAccident posted...
Pretty sure youre right, Biden wouldnt fill me with much confidence from what Ive seen of him so far.
Is it that you disagree with things he has said or is it that he's just another career politician spouting empty platitudes? Just curious. I watched the debates and honestly I didn't hear much from Biden that I didn't like, but his answers were essentially "my plan is to have a plan." At least he'll re-join the climate accord, and he stated that he'll make China abide by it as well. I think I'm heavily biased just because he's not Trump.

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FatalAccident
10/29/20 10:51:35 AM
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kind9 posted...
Is it that you disagree with things he has said or is it that he's just another career politician spouting empty platitudes? Just curious. I watched the debates and honestly I didn't hear much from Biden that I didn't like, but his answers were essentially "my plan is to have a plan." At least he'll re-join the climate accord, and he stated that he'll make China abide by it as well. I think I'm heavily biased just because he's not Trump.
I dont disagree with what hes planning to do, most of it sounds great. However some of it sounds like typical political empty promises with little detail. And I didnt see him be forceful enough with Trump when trump started accusing him of taking money from Russia etc etc. He just seems like a wet fish.

I was expecting someone to really put Trump in his place during the debates, be forceful with facts and numbers and call out trumps lies or bending of the truth, he didnt really do that. I dont really see a compelling argument for Biden other than hes not Trump.

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DarkBuster22904
10/29/20 10:51:50 AM
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BADoglick posted...
I'm not so confident, I think Trump supporters are more excited about MAGA than the left is about Biden. Hopefully I'm wrong
oh, you're definitely right. the problem is you're looking at the wrong metrics.

This isnt MAGA lovers vs Biden lovers

this is MAGA lovers vs people who hate Trump

doesn't matter if they're unenthusiastic about Biden. Do they hate Trump deeply enough to vote for anyone who isn't Trump, who, in this case, is Biden

That number swings much better in Biden favor. Not only has Trump embittered a lot of people since 2016, but Biden also isn't as hated nearly as much as Hillary was. People may be unenthusiastic about Biden, but there's a lot less people who feel like they'd have to plug their nose while voting for him.

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Zeus
10/29/20 1:56:40 PM
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At this point, I'd really take 538 with a grain of salt. And I'm sure part of their "methodology" simply involves a biased doubling-down against Trump to discourage Trump voters from going to vote. Otherwise -- because no link is provided -- I'm wondering to what extent they've factored in the reject rate on mail-in ballots in their calculations.

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Zeus
10/30/20 9:58:47 PM
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By the way, that mask seller's methodology has correctly determined the winner in more presidential elections than 538 >_> So far the methodology has worked in every election going back to 1984.

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/weird/mask-sales-johnnie-brocks-predicted-presidential-elections/63-248a4d1d-df10-4f21-b601-37bf866c59ee

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Zareth
10/31/20 12:54:49 AM
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That's not a very good Biden mask. Kind of just looks like an old dude.

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Smarkil
10/31/20 2:36:14 AM
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FatalAccident posted...
That one in the middle, no electoral college majority, house decided the election. Wtf is that about.

if theres a straight up tie then congress flips a coin to who becomes president?

It's next to impossible for a tie to occur - I think its only happened a couple times in US history but the house votes for the Pres and the Senate votes for the Vice Pres. Theoretically we could have something like a Biden Pres and a Pence Vice Pres.

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Judgmenl
10/31/20 8:15:35 AM
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90% now.

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DrPrimemaster
10/31/20 9:06:00 AM
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What are these polls based on, they seem useless to me.

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Unbridled9
10/31/20 10:24:25 AM
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Zeus posted...
By the way, that mask seller's methodology has correctly determined the winner in more presidential elections than 538 >_> So far the methodology has worked in every election going back to 1984.

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/weird/mask-sales-johnnie-brocks-predicted-presidential-elections/63-248a4d1d-df10-4f21-b601-37bf866c59ee

Considering that this is 2020 one more sudden upset wouldn't be unusual.

Thing is I can see BOTH democrats and republicans buying masks to scare their friends and everything. However I do remember also hearing about that chinese town that makes the election stuff saying that they can't keep the Trump stuff in stock because it's selling too fast but the Biden stuff, nobody wants it. I also live in a liberal part of the country but it is only, like, two weeks ago I saw my first Biden sign but Trump signs are everywheres.

Of course this could also just be that the Trump supporters are in the minority but REALLY enthusiastic while the rest of America supports Biden but just doesn't really care about him other than that he's running against Trump. That would also explain the discrepancy.

However I feel the most telling thing is the Hunter Biden scandal. While the media has tried to squash the story you don't see them calling it an outright lie or the like. To me that says that they either don't expect to win or, if they do win, they're going to use it to oust Biden and put in Harris. Their talk of using the 25th amendment leads me to suspect the latter (cause do you seriously think they're gonna convince Pence to oust Trump? With only a few days to election to boot? Even if everything goes their way they'd only have him out for, what, two months at most?) and if the public has picked up on that they may not vote Biden because they realize that they're actually voting for Harris.

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Clench281
10/31/20 10:29:33 AM
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Unbridled9 posted...
However I feel the most telling thing is the Hunter Biden scandal.

The one that Tucker claims to have damning evidence about, and decided last minute to have a change of heart and not release, even though it's totally real just like his girlfriend in Canada

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Mead
10/31/20 10:39:33 AM
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DrPrimemaster posted...
What are these polls based on, they seem useless to me.

current national polls and the electoral map to 270 electoral votes

trump can win, but hell essentially need to win 4-5 swing states where polls show he isnt leading

if Biden wins ANY of those states, then theres practically no way for Trump to get enough electoral votes

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Justin2Krelian
10/31/20 11:14:09 AM
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Zeus posted...
By the way, that mask seller's methodology has correctly determined the winner in more presidential elections than 538 >_> So far the methodology has worked in every election going back to 1984.

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/weird/mask-sales-johnnie-brocks-predicted-presidential-elections/63-248a4d1d-df10-4f21-b601-37bf866c59ee

Trump is definitely the star of this election, if Biden wins it's because the sentiments against win out over the support for him.

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kind9
10/31/20 11:23:45 AM
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Yeah this election is Trump vs. not-Trump. Trump is the president of Republicans, he doesn't even want the rest of us behind him. He has to go, and hopefully sooner rather than later.

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Veedrock-
10/31/20 11:30:38 AM
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2016: Don't vote, we got this anyways.
2020: Vote, we got this anyways.



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Shadowbird_RH
10/31/20 12:16:18 PM
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Veedrock- posted...
2016: Don't vote, we got this anyways.
2020: Vote, we got this anyways.

The concept of learning from your mistakes is that hard for you to understand? Eh, not surprising.

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10/31/20 12:21:23 PM
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Veedrock-
10/31/20 1:09:19 PM
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ultra magnus13
10/31/20 1:26:24 PM
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BADoglick posted...
I'm not so confident, I think Trump supporters are more excited about MAGA than the left is about Biden. Hopefully I'm wrong


This seems pretty much correct. Lots of people excited about voting for Trump, no one excited about voting for Biden, they are excited to vote against Trump.
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BlackScythe0
10/31/20 5:12:58 PM
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I still don't like giving it %

I will say I'm surprised to see they changed Georgia from leaning red to leaning blue, not sure when they did that but I'm pretty sure last time I looked (which was recently) it was still red.

I'm also still confused by Florida being considered so blue this time around when they recently elected an open racist as governor.
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streamofthesky
10/31/20 5:53:00 PM
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Georgia and NC seem to be slowly turning blue-leaning in general. It'll never be solidly blue, but I think going forward at least in presidential election years (insert rant about liberals and the youth vote not showing up in off-years), Dems will have the edge in those states.

Florida, if Dems win it, will be solely due to COVID and Trump and the GOP's willingness to let old people die off to keep the stock market up, and how much of FL's population is elderly. If that hadn't happened, Trump probably would've easily carried the state. I'm still skeptical Dems will win it, because Florida is full of Florida Man and thus is prone to chronic stupidity. But it'll be very close.

I'm mostly interested in PA, NC, and GA. Those are east coast states worth a lot of votes and should have results early in the night. If Biden sweeps all 3 or even 2 of the 3, he should have the election in the bag. Obviously FL alone probably wins it for him, but i have no faith in that state, or for it to have a winner by the end of the night.
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Metalsonic66
10/31/20 6:57:51 PM
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Georgia is one of those states where it's mostly blue in the city and mostly red elsewhere

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streamofthesky
10/31/20 7:04:12 PM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
Georgia is one of those states where it's mostly blue in the city and mostly red elsewhere
So, like...nearly every state.
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Metalsonic66
10/31/20 7:05:41 PM
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With maybe some differences in the exact proportions, sure

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Zeus
11/01/20 3:32:45 AM
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https://youtu.be/alaen4fno20?t=200

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Lonestar2000
11/01/20 4:00:59 AM
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Zeus posted...
By the way, that mask seller's methodology has correctly determined the winner in more presidential elections than 538 >_> So far the methodology has worked in every election going back to 1984.

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/weird/mask-sales-johnnie-brocks-predicted-presidential-elections/63-248a4d1d-df10-4f21-b601-37bf866c59ee
Real scientific method you got there,

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papercup
11/01/20 9:20:38 AM
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The right is going to go fucking apeshit whether Trump wins or loses. Stay safe people.

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Blightzkrieg
11/01/20 9:50:16 AM
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papercup posted...
The right is going to go fucking apeshit whether Trump wins or loses. Stay safe people.
https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1322703211959099397?s=20

Legitimately dangerous people

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BUMPED2002
11/01/20 10:31:17 AM
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Sadly American politics has become corrupted so we won't know who'll win until that's made official. Trump has stated repeatedly that he won't go quietly if he loses so there's a chance he could end up winning even if he loses.

America is in the throes of good vs evil and the country is now one running rampant with greed, corruption, tax cheats, corporate wage theft, drug addiction, alcohol addiction, ungodly amounts of gun violence, sex scandals etc etc it's like Babylon coming to life

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YoukaiSlayer
11/01/20 10:35:39 AM
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What do you mean now? People been doing that shit in every country since time began.

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Unbridled9
11/01/20 10:37:14 AM
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The fact that any candidate could get an 89% without, say, being caught selling kids into slavery in Africa or having a sex tape of them and Putin released should be VERY concerning to you regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum. Either that or 538 is lying/manipulating to cheer for Biden.

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YoukaiSlayer
11/01/20 10:49:34 AM
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Why? Why is that concerning?

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Blightzkrieg
11/01/20 10:50:16 AM
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Unbridled9 posted...
The fact that any candidate could get an 89% without, say, being caught selling kids into slavery in Africa or having a sex tape of them and Putin released
Or say, letting 200k people die while pretending it wasn't a problem

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