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I see you attempted my local cuisine, but let me tell you, the addition of ingredient X means it is not authentic at all. You see, it's critically important to exactly match the exact ingredients as written in stone even though this dish that was originally thrown together by dock workers in the 1800s because they were too poor to find anything else around. Naturally, all of those dock workers agreed that there is only a single way to make this dish and that if you can't find these ingredients or they are not locally available then nonna/abuela will be turning in her grave

I suppose you did pretty good for a foreigner though, ciao

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rip noonas

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Why is Spain over there anyway?

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https://youtu.be/A-RfHC91Ewc
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Yeah food snobs are annoying

And I fucking love cooking food

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teepan95 posted...

https://youtu.be/A-RfHC91Ewc

Lol I love this scene

I mean to be fair she could not have got it more wrong if she tried but mainly I'm just addressing the folk who talk about "authenticity" as if it's authentic to go spend $60 in a specialty butchers shop to make a peasants' pasta dish

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pinky0926 posted...

Lol I love this scene

I mean to be fair she could not have got it more wrong if she tried but mainly I'm just addressing the folk who talk about "authenticity" as if it's authentic to go spend $60 in a specialty butchers shop to make a peasants' pasta dish

That dish has probably grown over hundreds of years.

Sure you could make something that looks like it somewhat, but you may as well not try, or care at all if you're going to admit that you don't care, have the time, or want to spend the money and end up having a worst dish than some of those crafty "peasants"

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itachi15243 posted...

That dish has probably grown over hundreds of years.

Sure you could make something that looks like it somewhat, but you may as well not try, or care at all if you're going to admit that you don't care, have the time, or want to spend the money and end up having a worst dish than some of those crafty "peasants"

No that's not my point at all. Nothing about what I'm saying is looking down on peasants or poo-pooing the craft or the tradition.

What makes it "authentic" is really that it was produced locally and organically crafted over those hundreds of years through what was available at the time and place. All cuisine is like that. You go anywhere in the world and the food culture is about what people could get and grow locally.

You know, if I wanted to make Paella Valenciana according to the traditional recipe here in the UK, I would have to go to a specialty butcher to procure gourmet ingredients (probably from overseas). I'd need to go to a very middle class delhi or supermarket to get some of the other ingredients. But if you look at the history of the dish the reason rabbit and snails is in it because that is what people could hunt for because they couldn't afford anything else.

I mean, isn't this supposed to be a rice dish for local people with local ingredients? What's authentic about it anymore if I have to spend an insanely borgeouise amount of money just to import specialty stuff to do it?

If the argument is just, "call it something else then", then maybe. But I think it would be more authentic to maka poor mans paella with chicken and chorizo (locally found and cheap ingredients) than it would be to go out of your way to a fancy butcher and spend a lot of money.

Sure, a paella with chicken and chorizo and peas instead of green beans might not be allowed to be called a paella valenciana, but I would argue it is more authentic to make a dish that way if that's what you can get.

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pinky0926 posted...

No that's not my point at all. Nothing about what I'm saying is looking down on peasants or poo-pooing the craft or the tradition.

What makes it "authentic" is really that it was produced locally and organically crafted over those hundreds of years through what was available at the time and place. All cuisine is like that. You go anywhere in the world and the food culture is about what people could get and grow locally.

You know, if I wanted to make Paella Valenciana according to the traditional recipe here in the UK, I would have to go to a specialty butcher to procure gourmet ingredients (probably from overseas). I'd need to go to a very middle class delhi or supermarket to get some of the other ingredients. But if you look at the history of the dish the reason rabbit and snails is in it because that is what people could hunt for because they couldn't afford anything else.

I mean, isn't this supposed to be a rice dish for local people with local ingredients? What's authentic about it anymore if I have to spend an insanely borgeouise amount of money just to import specialty stuff to do it?

If the argument is just, "call it something else then", then maybe. But I think it would be more authentic to maka poor mans paella with chicken and chorizo (locally found and cheap ingredients) than it would be to go out of your way to a fancy butcher and spend a lot of money.

Sure, a paella with chicken and chorizo and peas instead of green beans might not be allowed to be called a paella valenciana, but I would argue it is more authentic to make a dish that way if that's what you can get.

Are rabbit's in stock to hunt by you?

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itachi15243 posted...

Are rabbit's in stock to hunt by you?

It's 2020 and I'm not a gameskeeper, lol

Hunting isn't a poor man's cost saving exercise anymore, it's a leisure retreat for privileged people

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why do you have such a difficult problem not calling it a different dish then? Or a mockup of a similarly made dish?

And I'm sure you could get a hunting license and become one almost whenever basically.

Depending where you live

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Nanay was born in 1952, not 1791, and used Spam like everyone else.

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itachi15243 posted...

why do you have such a difficult problem not calling it a different dish then? Or a mockup of a similarly made dish?

I don't have a problem with that really. What I do find annoying is locals going out of their way to knock recipes that aren't traditional when the cook never claimed it was expressly authentic anyway.

And I'm sure you could get a hunting license and become one almost whenever basically.

Depending where you live

I could but then I would be going out of my way and spending a lot of money as a hobbyist retreat, which is obviously different to the reason why rabbit ended up in Paella Valenciana. Those peasants weren't experimenting with gourmet ingredients like we are lucky to be able to do now, they were just putting food on the table using what they could scrounge.

My argument is that authenticity is about doing something real over doing something prescribed.


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I am a Spaniard and I do agree, I kind of get angry when I see other countries' version of the paella. And then I launch in a 5-minute explanation whu their version is wrong.

It's not so much not using the traditional ingredients (you can't find many outside Spain anyway) but rather instead of replacing them by similar ingredients, add new ones altogether.

FISH AND MEAT DON'T GO TOGETHER UNLESS YOU ARE DOING A VERY SPECIFIC SUBCATEGORY OF PAELLA SASFJFKDKDKFKFNSJF

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Personally I get angry af when FOREIGNERS cook burgers WRONG. If you're going to cook AMERICAN, you best cook it AUTHENTIC or not cook it AT ALL.

Disclaimer: this is a shit post

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