Board 8 > King of Fighters 2020 (NOT MERCS) R4D9: Star Butterfly vs The Terrarian (Mid)

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NFUN
10/26/20 10:46:04 PM
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The game is simple. The two* listed characters are placed in an (imaginary) location with a variety of (imaginary) environments, kind of like a picture in a child's schoolbook that describes different types of geological features. Within a ten mile radius, there is an (imaginary) urban downtown, exurbs, plains, snow-clad mountains at the edge, dry plains, etc. Fighters start wherever is most appropriate for them, but feel increasingly compelled to seek out their opponent and fight. Strong-willed fighters can try to hold out in their chosen environment for longer... eventually, all will succumb and actively search for the other to battle.

To participate, just vote in bold for whichever character you believe will win. Giving reasoning is optional, but please be polite and read what others have said and carefully make your decision. I'll ping the nominators (they can opt out) to give arguments if they wish.

Results/Discussion: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/78971300

TODAY'S PARTICIPANTS:
Star Butterfly (Star vs the Forces of Evil)


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The Terrarian (Terraria)
https://imgur.com/YXkXvS6

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Shonen_Bat
10/26/20 11:21:09 PM
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pew pew pew

Star wins this easily if she takes it seriously, but Terrarian looks like a pretty unassuming mcdude until he starts blowing shit up

if she goes in and does something silly but ineffective or just tries to blast him and he gets to fire a bunch of his weapons off, well, oops

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Pirateking2000
10/26/20 11:23:26 PM
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Star

Terrarian is going to have no time to build up a power base as Star can All Seeing Eye and warp right on top of them before they can put anything together. She can fly around, magic bubble shield or portal against ranged attacks (assuming she just doesn't blow em up immediately in the ambush), fuck physics, ice block them, transmute their equipment if not them etc etc

Shonen_Bat posted...
pew pew pew

Star wins this easily if she takes it seriously, but Terrarian looks like a pretty unassuming mcdude until he starts blowing shit up

if she goes in and does something silly but ineffective or just tries to blast him and he gets to fire a bunch of his weapons off, well, oops

She is definitely going to go in guns blazing.

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Drakeryn
10/27/20 12:03:13 AM
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based on the clips of Star I've seen, I feel like Terrarian is just way more destructive

if Star's strat is to warp on top of him instantly for a slugfest then I feel like she's screwed
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Pirateking2000
10/27/20 12:59:21 AM
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Drakeryn posted...
based on the clips of Star I've seen, I feel like Terrarian is just way more destructive

if Star's strat is to warp on top of him instantly for a slugfest then I feel like she's screwed

Star can do stuff like this

https://i.imgur.com/S2KEfw0.png

and Mega Explosive Crystal Laser is supposedly capable of neutralizing entire planets. I am pretty sure she has Terrarian beat in terms of power. She is able to defend herself with bubble shield or magic kaiju armor, is super durable and physically strong even without it (holding up a giant magic energy blade bearing down on her), has Morning Star form which boosts her even more (and she'd likely start with this as she masters it) has far more various effects with the magics she can do. She has a LOT of options and ways to ruin their day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zJm7ZcX0XU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FmllS0GKX0

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Drakeryn
10/27/20 2:05:38 AM
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Having "a lot of options and ways" is basically the Terrarian's forte! They're a good match in that regard.

That green blast is pretty impressive - better than a lot of Star's magic cited on her respect page, so I'll give her that. Her showings seem to vary quite widely. But I don't give any cred to anything that "supposedly" has planet-level power if it's not shown that way in practice.

Also, looking at the wiki, I don't buy that Star is the type to immediately use All-Seeing Eye, teleport onto her enemy's face, and use all her most powerful spells.

Strangers, in her eyes, are just friends she has not met yet, and she feels bad if she hurts someone's feelings, whether intentionally or not.

As the series progresses, Star becomes less prone to resorting to magic to fix a situation, and she shows a willingness to become stronger and more serious and not run away from her problems, despite this sometimes resulting in her underestimating her enemies.

As of "The Tavern at the End of the Multiverse", after her mother's use of a magically-created army backfires horribly, Star outright hates magic, believing it only causes problems and that those who use it are "idiots". She even believes magic to be the cause of all of Mewni's problems and that destroying it will solve everything.

Diplomacy: Star has shown great charisma in her goal to achieve equality between mewmans and monsters. She was able to garner respect and admiration from the monsters and was able to bring momentary peace between mewmans and monsters during "Monster Bash".

Especially because of her diplomatic inclinations, I don't think she gets put in a match with a stranger (a friend she hasn't met yet!) and immediately tries to nuke his face off. I mean, it's not like he's an actual enemy, she never asked to be put in a tournament and commanded to fight.

Meanwhile, Terrarian is not short of nuking options:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/terraria_gamepedia/images/3/36/Star_Wrath_(demo).gif
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/terraria_gamepedia/images/c/c7/Lunar_Flare_(demo).gif
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/terraria_gamepedia/images/4/4a/Celebration_Mk2_(demo).gif

Notably he has attacks that bypass blocks (the Lunar Flare as shown above) and also a huge range of movement options (magic mirror, portal gun, hoverboard/wings).
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Pirateking2000
10/27/20 2:51:39 AM
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I thought the point was unless they are super cosmic beings or general high tiers, the combatants are compelled to fight with what they got (though it has been inconsistent match by match). Also the whole diplomacy thing isn't really that accurate anyway. I am thinking more early Star but even after she tries to make peace between Monsters and and her people after learning some of shrouded history she is still excessively violent...even to her own subjects. This is a someone who broke into one of her own dungeon towers, smashing down walls, beating the shit out of her own staff and guards on duty...three times in the same day. All in the same place over random hunches.

The whole strangers being friends? I believe she got the wrong idea that a rival football team were "enemies" or something and proceeded to turn the entire football field into a death trap in advance.

She literally GENOCIDED all magical beings all over a self admitted "tantrum" in the finale. If you don't think she is the type to go overboard then you'd be wrong and based on the circumstances of the fight I would assume they'd be going after each other or preparing and Star has the means of just jumping right to them.

Even if you want to go with the not fighting route...Star actually has a spell to turn the target non hostile...which would kind of just remove the whole point of the thing hah.

As for the All Seeing Eye I believe there is an episode mentioning how after she used it the first time she had since used it a load of times. It was also her immediate default in scenarios where she needed to find someone like that bad guy who swiped her book (and the magic god being within who got nabbed) and her mother when she went missing so it would be pretty in character for that to be her opening move if she had to find someone.

In the end they both have nuke options (Star's are likely far more potent given her killing Toffee who had ultra regen and was tied to magic itself as well as smacking around huge monsters) and have high fly mobility...but Star just has so much more on top of that and is likely capable of tanking Terrarian's nuking anyway if she got hit. Terrarian's stuff also seem tied to items which she can either destroy or transmute into something mundane like marshmallows. What is Terrarian going to do if they are flying and she transforms the wings into a ball and chain or drops a whale on him or something? All of her spells pack a huge punch which is further amplified by Morning Star form and then there is the physics and time hax she has at her disposal. Star can win this with raw power, ring outs, disabling them, or just flat out make them not want to fight anymore so she has most routes covered.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/27/20 8:11:07 AM
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The Player has fought the exact described tactics as a lategame boss. Like, exactly 'teleport in, start being a speedy super destructive magic asshole'. As I recall, Luminite shots pierce shields, too, so y'know, she better have good personal durability against getting minigunned cause I don't think that's gonna help.

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Drakeryn
10/27/20 12:23:45 PM
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Pirateking2000 posted...
I thought the point was unless they are super cosmic beings or general high tiers, the combatants are compelled to fight with what they got (though it has been inconsistent match by match).

Not really. It says that being strong-willed means you can hold out longer (if you're so inclined). Anyone can be strong-willed. Also it's been consistent that negotiations and forfeits are allowed, as well as incapacitating opponents without killing them (for characters that don't like killing).

Being a cosmic being matters for timescale - e.g., for Maxwell, waiting 30 minutes is probably like FOREVER; for Death, waiting 30 years is nbd - but it still comes down to personality and willpower.

In any case, Star's transmutation spells take the form of a ranged beam which seems fairly dodgeable. Or at least the marshmallow spell does. I don't see it being a gamechanger here.

KanzarisKelshen posted...
As I recall, Luminite shots pierce shields, too, so y'know, she better have good personal durability against getting minigunned cause I don't think that's gonna help.

oh yeah, this is a good point too

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Shonen_Bat
10/27/20 1:33:04 PM
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Can't say I expected this result, but I'm sold.

Terrarian

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