Board 8 > Tell me about Danganronpa

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Is that KP post safe to read?

i mean yes by spoiler standards. will it cause you to lose some brain cells? probably.

(i kid, i kid)

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colliding posted...

someone on this board really likes Mahiru. I remember because when I ranked her low on my character ranking for being "utterly boring" someone jumped down my throat

I like Mahiru, but not enough to jump down someone's throat. She's #19 in my series ranking.

#8 for DR2 specifically.

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Anagram posted...

Is that KP post safe to read?

Probably not

To azuarc and Mac: He isn't even sure if anything is real as he figured out the computer simulation thing, so don't go confirming that stuff 100% actually happened

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Friendly reminder that character rankings are kind of spoilerish

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Mahiru definitely sucks. Would probably rank her last for the DR2 cast. She stays above certain other characters for having the grace to die early.
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ok, a couple questions: do you have any updates on what you feel the characters' fates will be now that's seen more of their character? And what was your reaction to the whole "gravel in the swimsuit" thing?

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Mahiru gets things done when she can (photography really isn't that relevant to solving murder cases), is grounded, made loli chick somewhat likable, and has a higher standard for the guys who really are just faffing about.

Least favorite in the series? The monocubs exist and have way more staying power.

demonfang178 posted...

Mahiru gets things done when she can (photography really isn't that relevant to solving murder cases), is grounded, made loli chick somewhat likable, and has a higher standard for the guys who really are just faffing about.

Least favorite in the series? The monocubs exist and have way more staying power.

I think most people tend not to include the mascot characters when ranking the DR cast. It's just the students.

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demonfang178 posted...

Mahiru gets things done when she can (photography really isn't that relevant to solving murder cases)

its pretty relevant to the one case where she's alive

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Mahiru was always weird to me.

Like, she doesn't come across as particularly likeable, but I still like her more than at least two characters in the cast overall. She's just... Kind of nothing I guess?

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Mahiru's pretty decent. She's just kinda there, but in a series like DR, sometimes that's good.

There are several just outright bad characters that are much worse.

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Mahiru is one of maybe, like, two believable characters in the entire franchise. Honestly I think she gets enormous points for feeling so real in a universe of total weirdos.

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Mahiru is fine. I don't hate her, but I don't really get the appeal. She's not really waifu material, and she's not particularly funny or sympathetic.

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Xiahou Shake posted...

Mahiru is one of maybe, like, two believable characters in the entire franchise. Honestly I think she gets enormous points for feeling so real in a universe of total weirdos.

Maybe this is why I like her more than I don't. Several of the characters are just humor gags that get old immediately and that just tanks them for me, so having somebody that actually feels kinda believable among them feels unique.

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That's one of my major issues with DR2. Mahiru is normal, fine. But the rest of the cast all feel like they boil down to a singular character trait that gets exaggerated to the extreme. So with every character, either you REALLY like them, or you REALLY don't like them, because there's very little in the way of nuance. Four of my bottom six characters from the entire franchise come from DR2, and Mahiru isn't among them. She's 12th/16 though.

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That's also probably a reason I like Soda more than a lot of people do. He's got a super obvious, obnoxious trait, but unlike the Chef, who he shares that trait with, there's actually more to the character that makes it make sense. The character is annoying, but they actually put thought and effort into why.

It's also why I think I break with people and don't like the punk rock chick who seems to be popular, since there's just nothing to her. She's just her gimmick. Sure, it's a fun gimmick, but that's all there really is to the character.

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Ibuki is life.

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HashtagSEP posted...

That's also probably a reason I like Soda more than a lot of people do. He's got a super obvious, obnoxious trait, but unlike the Chef, who he shares that trait with, there's actually more to the character that makes it make sense. The character is annoying, but they actually put thought and effort into why.

It's also why I think I break with people and don't like the punk rock chick who seems to be popular, since there's just nothing to her. She's just her gimmick. Sure, it's a fun gimmick, but that's all there really is to the character.

I'll have more to say on this subject when Anagram is farther along, because I don't want to spoil which characters have relevance and which ones don't.

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Yeah, Ibuki's her name, thanks.

Don't get me wrong, I get why people like Ibuki. I just favor characters that have more depth to them, even if they're generally annoying or whatever.

Like, my favorite character in the entire series is probably Kaito.

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Inviso posted...

I'll have more to say on this subject when Anagram is farther along, because I don't want to spoil which characters have relevance and which ones don't.

Ooh, right. I'll shut up, sorry.

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Not a fan of Ibuki either!

Chiaki and Sonia forever

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I like Ibuki but I also like Chiaki and Sonia more :)

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Every single line of dialogue from Ibuki makes me happy.

Whenever Ibuki's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, "Where's Ibuki?"

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LeonhartFour posted...

Not a fan of Ibuki either!

Chiaki and Sonia forever

Oh shit I agree with Leon again

What were your DRV3 top 2 girls?

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Got to the part where Ibuki and Hiyoko die, just discovered the bodies. I knew Hiyoko was going to die eventually, and her midgame death fits perfectly with my predictions. I realized Ibuki was going to die as soon as she caught the gullibilism disease because it was too obvious a method to kill someone (telling them to kill themselves, I'm sure that's how it will have been done) -- which means I was dead wrong in my early predictions for her. This leaves Chiaki with the highest waifu rating in the game.

As for the killer, I'm currently undecided. I seriously doubt Chiaki, who I should've known would turn into this game's Kyoko (I'm sad I didn't catch that immediately), but I can believe everyone else. Gundham has done absolutely nothing the entire game, which means he's the Yasuhiro of the group. I really don't know where he's going, I'm waiting for some kind of twist with him (although, again, I waited for a Yasuhiro twist the entirety of the last game). I am vaguely leaning toward Mikan as the killer, because the game made a big deal of the bodies' times of death being thrown off, and she obviously caught some kind of disease, and her shy personality would mean the opposite would be murdering someone, but I'm not really confident of that.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, Chiaki had already surpassed Ibuki in waifu score.

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Was a bit sad with that one, since I was a big fan of Ibuki and Hiyoko. Always a shame when your fav characters go down early.

Also, since I didn't mention it earlier, I like DR2 Byakuya a lot more than DR1 Byakuya. Definitely has a more compelling personality here, and the fat part put a hilarious spin on his arrogance.
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Nanis23 posted...

What were your DRV3 top 2 girls?

Haven't played it yet!

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EDIT: Now that I think about it, Chiaki had already surpassed Ibuki in waifu score.

good man

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Meat on the Bone
Gravel in thr Swimsuit

Some of DR2's clues were just bad.

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Mac Arrowny posted...

Was a bit sad with that one, since I was a big fan of Ibuki and Hiyoko. Always a shame when your fav characters go down early.

I'm going to reserve my thoughts on characters for when I finish.

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Mac Arrowny posted...

Also, since I didn't mention it earlier, I like DR2 Byakuya a lot more than DR1 Byakuya.

Definitely. Twogami for life.


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I am really not sure why people keep posting blatant spoilers
Isn't it confirmed that DR2 Byakuya is a different person from DR1 Byakuya near the very end of the game?

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Inviso posted...

That's one of my major issues with DR2. Mahiru is normal, fine. But the rest of the cast all feel like they boil down to a singular character trait that gets exaggerated to the extreme. So with every character, either you REALLY like them, or you REALLY don't like them, because there's very little in the way of nuance. Four of my bottom six characters from the entire franchise come from DR2, and Mahiru isn't among them. She's 12th/16 though.

HashtagSEP posted...

That's also probably a reason I like Soda more than a lot of people do. He's got a super obvious, obnoxious trait, but unlike the Chef, who he shares that trait with, there's actually more to the character that makes it make sense. The character is annoying, but they actually put thought and effort into why.

It's also why I think I break with people and don't like the punk rock chick who seems to be popular, since there's just nothing to her. She's just her gimmick. Sure, it's a fun gimmick, but that's all there really is to the character.

Completely agree with all of this, actually (although I'm not a fan of Soda, he's definitely much more tolerable than Teruteru). While I dislike Mahiru, it's partly because she was written to be a realistic person as opposed to a gimmick. My dislike for her feels more natural than my dislike for, say, Hifumi or Teruteru or Ibuki, who never once came across as actual people to me. Characters like those are just black holes in the narrative.

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Nanis23 posted...

I am really not sure why people keep posting blatant spoilers
Isn't it confirmed that DR2 Byakuya is a different person from DR1 Byakuya near the very end of the game?

Yup lol

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This topic went to complete shit a long time ago because Danganronpa fans really can't keep their boners for spoilers in their god damn pants YET AGAIN WHAT A SHOCKER

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That's only a spoiler if you tell someone it's a spoiler.

"I like Byakuya's personality in 2 more than 1" isn't a spoiler, but if you tell someone "hey that's a spoiler!" then you are the one doing the spoilering.

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People, seriously, chill the fuck out about talking about stuff that people haven't gotten to yet. This has been a problem in every Danganronpa playthrough topic ever and it's embarrassing. If you've played Danganronpa then you know perfectly well about how certain details can be implied spoilers. This has been going on for years and it's really pissing me off.

I feel like a lot of what people are calling spoilers only seem like spoilers because we actually know the context/what happens. Without that context, a lot of it is harmless to somebody that hasn't played the game because they're just not gonna get those implications. Calling them out as spoilers tends to do more damage than what's being talked about itself (not all the time, but it seems like 90% of the time) because then it draws attention to it and tells the player to focus on that aspect when they wouldn't have otherwise.

There have been some legit spoilers, sure, but I feel like a lot of this is super overblown.

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StealThisSheen posted...

I feel like a lot of what people are calling spoilers only seem like spoilers because we actually know the context/what happens. Without that context, a lot of it is harmless to somebody that hasn't played the game because they're just not gonna get those implications. Calling them out as spoilers tends to do more damage than what's being talked about itself (not all the time, but it seems like 90% of the time) because then it draws attention to it and tells the player to focus on that aspect when they wouldn't have otherwise.

There have been some legit spoilers, sure, but I feel like a lot of this is super overblown.

Ideally, calling out spoilers would make the offenders go back and edit their messages

Which they have yet to do in any of the cases

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When you give your opinion about characters that the TC has either not met yet or has not gotten far into their game yet, you always carry implications about how long that character will or won't live, and what sort of growth they may grow through.

In fact, by commenting on a character after they die, you make the implication that they won't be showing up any more, even though the first game already proved that that is not a guarantee.

Talking about things that won't happen is just as much of a spoiler as talking about things that do happen, in an "anything can happen" game with unlimited possibilities.

Therefore the best thing to do is just... not talk about things that the TC hasn't gotten to yet!

KamikazePotato posted...

Ideally, calling out spoilers would make the offenders go back and edit their messages

Which they have yet to do in any of the cases

I agree, but at the same time, just leaving it alone would have been better than calling it out. Like, a spoiler is "Bruce Willis is actually dead in The Sixth Sense." Because that literally spoils the whole movie. You don't need any context for that to be a spoiler, it's just... A spoiler. Whereas something like "I like DR2 Byakuya better than DR1 Byakuya" isn't truly a spoiler because a new player is not going to have any reason to think that's a spoiler. They're likely just going to assume you like his personality moreso. By calling it out as a spoiler, the player now knows that there is something up with Byakuya, and now they're going to be trying to figure out what, when they wouldn't have to begin with.

That said, LTM's post is a bit more borderline and is dumb, I agree.

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Dels posted...

When you give your opinion about characters that the TC has either not met yet or has not gotten far into their game yet, you always carry implications about how long that character will or won't live, and what sort of growth they may grow through.

Even that I'd argue isn't necessarily true if you're not going into specifics, since the DR games have had deeper characters die early and gimmick characters survive the whole game, so it's not like "Oh, this character is just a gimmick, they'll die early" is an ongoing theme or anything. I don't think there's really anything wrong with giving opinions on characters as long as you aren't going into specific acts/whatever.

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This whole argument is the thing that actually always ends up screwing up DR topics.

It happens literally every time lol.

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Implied spoilers are the reason I don't DO playthrough topics

StealThisSheen posted...

I feel like a lot of what people are calling spoilers only seem like spoilers because we actually know the context/what happens.

Which is why I put my calling out spoilers in a spoiler tag as well..

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It's just a good general rule of thumb to never discuss anything beyond where the topic creator is, even inside spoiler bars.

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Don't worry, I've been purposefully not touching any spoiler bars except ones in response to my posts. I haven't had anything spoiled so far.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

This whole argument is the thing that actually always ends up screwing up DR topics.

It happens literally every time lol.

It's the people talking about future stuff that screw them up, not the people who argue back against it.

I mean I don't think it's unreasonable to just not discuss living characters in a playthrough topic.

Just don't do it. Don't even do spoiler tags. Just wait.

Especially since Anagram seems to be looking at this game through a meta way, so discussing characters who are still alive will probably end up coloring his expectations.

I debated telling KP to put a spoiler tag on the character poll on the off chance Anagram may look at it, because it was kind of unnecessary to have while he's still going through it?

Also weird that people are even discussing characters and who people like or don't like when that character isn't dead yet, let alone that he isn't even at that game yet.

Like damn just make a new topic is you guys want to talk about it.

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Mac Arrowny posted...

Was a bit sad with that one, since I was a big fan of Ibuki and Hiyoko. Always a shame when your fav characters go down early.

Also, since I didn't mention it earlier, I like DR2 Byakuya a lot more than DR1 Byakuya. Definitely has a more compelling personality here, and the fat part put a hilarious spin on his arrogance.

DR2 has a pretty bad track with good characters going down earlier than bad ones.