Current Events > As someone who doesn't follow Politics, it seems Republicans are anti-people.

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So I'm not into Politics. But anytime I watch it, it literally seems to me that the Republicans don't give a shit about you as a human being, while the Democrats are fighting them to give power to the people. I watch this video of Obama basically getting a standing ovation for saying something that shouldn't even require an ovation. These are basic human rights such as "women will be paid equal to men", or "you had no plans to insure over 1 million people so I will provide them insurance". And while these statements are being made, you can tell a portion of the crowd that is Republican just sits in silence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X15hgJwZYA

What the fuck? As someone whose not educated, can a Republican please inform me on exactly how the fuck your party cares about people? Why didn't they give insurance to that 1 million people during the 8 year run with Bush? Why did Trump's party give tax breaks to millionaires but not the middle class? From an outsider looking in, everything the Republican party does is to please those who are wealthy. They do not care about 95% of the U.S.A.'s population. How the fuck are they the "Patriotic" side, as they self proclaim with flags and USA chants. The democrats are patriots because they care about you.

Explain to me what I'm missing before I start demonizing everyone on facebook who keeps touting Trump this trump that when they (Republicans) tried killing people by allowing insurance companies to not insure you if you had pre existing conditions. Again, the mega wealthy and CEO's of insurance companies benefit, the poor get fucked.

What am I missing here? Either you're helping people, or you're against people. From what I can see, Republicans are against people while democrats are for people.

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zinezinzadan posted...

What am I missing here?

nothing

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correct

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When you're right, you're right.
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You're not wrong.

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Accurate.

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If you follow @Politics maybe he'll follow you back

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eh, saying democrats are 'for people' is too generous. They're 'for people, marginally' or something would be more accurate.

Hai =DD

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theiwantsong posted...

eh, saying democrats are 'for people' is too generous. They're 'for people, marginally' or something would be more accurate.

Yeah, although at this point, I'm back to voting for the dumpster fire that burns with less furious ass-smelling heat.

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Interestingly, I don't see a Republican defending his party. Can a Republican please explain to me what I'm missing. If you're a good person, you try to help people... Thats a fact. If you're selfish, you're not a good person. How is the Republican party functioning in the best interest of the people of America as a whole? If you don't have an answer, that means you're not a good fucking person in my opinion.

You either make it easier or harder for Poor people to put food on the table. And it seems Republican policies make it more difficult for poor people to put food on the table.

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Yep...they adore Jesus and yet they would label him a socialist hippie were he to exist now. Republicans say they help the people by helping job creators...trickle down economics which most of the doesnt work cause guess what...people at the top are greedy.

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zinezinzadan posted...

Interestingly, I don't see a Republican defending his party. Can a Republican please explain to me what I'm missing. If you're a good person, you try to help people... Thats a fact. If you're selfish, you're not a good person. How is the Republican party functioning in the best interest of the people of America as a whole? If you don't have an answer, that means you're not a good fucking person in my opinion.

You either make it easier or harder for Poor people to put food on the table. And it seems Republican policies make it more difficult for poor people to put food on the table.

Republican politicians are bought out by lobbies to compromise on any morality their constituents expected. Most Republican voters are pretty low-information and prone to propaganda, so their arguments are bunk. You'll find conservatives on CE but you'll have to really look hard to find anyone who straight up defends Republicans without going "both sides"

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Not really wrong about Republicans. But saying or thinking that Democrats are for the people is hilariously naive.

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I'm for myself.

Like I mean I only care as much as anyone cares about me.

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The republicans care more about themselves than the people. Even the middle and lower class Republicans, they would rather die from neglect than give people a chance. Coincidentally they will jump through every loophole in logic to justify hypocrisy.

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people who still support republicans think theyre making the tough choices or some shit and use terms like bleeding heart liberal to shame democrats for actually caring

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it seems to me that you understand perfectly well.

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zinezinzadan posted...

Interestingly, I don't see a Republican defending his party.

there are almost no republicans on CE

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Really don't understand why any one who is not filthy stinking rich supports republicans. They are so cartoonishly evil and get away with it. Limiting only one ballot drop off box per county in Texas is apparently not voter suppression cause there are other ways to vote. WTF?! Setting up fake drop off boxes in CA?

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The obvious answer is that all of these issues are a lot more complicated than the one line slogans that get tossed around by both parties. I would suggest if you are really interested, look up the arguments for both sides of an issue. But to answer the few points in your OP:

1. It has been illegal to pay women less than men for the same job for almost 60 years now.
2. Millions of people lost their insurance because of Obamacare.
3. Households making $100k or less had their taxes lowered by almost 15%

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You call yourself uneducated but it sounds like you have a pretty good grasp of the situation.


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LightHawKnight posted...

Really don't understand why any one who is not filthy stinking rich supports republicans.

I don't understand filthy rich people voting Republican either. Cutting their taxes isn't going to make them more money than a population with an assload more money to spend. It's like they don't understand the system that made them (or whichever relative they inherited from) wealthy in the first place.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

You call yourself uneducated but it sounds like you have a pretty good grasp of the situation.

I mean TC was mostly making surface level observations that anyone with eyes, ears, and a functioning brain could make. Although I guess in America that counts as educated.

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vigorm0rtis posted...

I don't understand filthy rich people voting Republican either. Cutting their taxes isn't going to make them more money than a population with an assload more money to spend. It's like they don't understand the system that made them (or whichever relative they inherited from) wealthy in the first place.

The taxes aren't really the focus it's the rollbacks on regulations that let companies get to make the most money. People like to post feel-good stories about how awful it is that Trump only paid $750 in taxes and neglect mentioning his environmental protection regulation rollbacks are letting companies save billions of dollars by dumping toxic waste in rivers that feed drinking reservoirs.

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vigorm0rtis posted...

I don't understand filthy rich people voting Republican either. Cutting their taxes isn't going to make them more money than a population with an assload more money to spend. It's like they don't understand the system that made them (or whichever relative they inherited from) wealthy in the first place.

Wall Street and Silicon Valley have donated WAAAAAAAAAY more money to Biden than to Trump this election.

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zinezinzadan posted...

So I'm not into Politics. But anytime I watch it, it literally seems to me that the Republicans don't give a shit about you as a human being, while the Democrats are fighting them to give power to the people. I watch this video of Obama basically getting a standing ovation for saying something that shouldn't even require an ovation. These are basic human rights such as "women will be paid equal to men", or "you had no plans to insure over 1 million people so I will provide them insurance". And while these statements are being made, you can tell a portion of the crowd that is Republican just sits in silence.

What the fuck? As someone whose not educated, can a Republican please inform me on exactly how the fuck your party cares about people? Why didn't they give insurance to that 1 million people during the 8 year run with Bush? Why did Trump's party give tax breaks to millionaires but not the middle class? From an outsider looking in, everything the Republican party does is to please those who are wealthy. They do not care about 95% of the U.S.A.'s population. How the fuck are they the "Patriotic" side, as they self proclaim with flags and USA chants. The democrats are patriots because they care about you.

Explain to me what I'm missing before I start demonizing everyone on facebook who keeps touting Trump this trump that when they (Republicans) tried killing people by allowing insurance companies to not insure you if you had pre existing conditions. Again, the mega wealthy and CEO's of insurance companies benefit, the poor get fucked.

What am I missing here? Either you're helping people, or you're against people. From what I can see, Republicans are against people while democrats are for people.

For starters, almost everything you listed is either only a small piece of the picture or something that is intentionally distorted by the almost universally left leaning media. Read enough news and you will start to notice they almost never badmouth any member of the democratic party or say anything positive about a republican. Ever. As far as your individual points, here is some context that both the media and CE will refuse to give you.

1. "Women being paid equal to men" refers to a persistent and constantly debunked myth that somehow women are being paid unequal salaries for the same job. This has been dispelled many times by even a cursory look at the data and in some cases tech companies like Google were sued for discrimination against women only to find out in their investigation that they were actually underpaying men.
2. Obamacare is hugely unpopular with republicans due to how bad it is. It causes deductibles and premiums for people who don't qualify for a "low cost" plan to skyrocket, and part of this is because it's making the cheaper plans illegal to exist. Obamacare insurance is overbloated and the worst part is people who can't afford any insurance because they lost their jobs had to pay a ransom to the government for not buying private insurance.
3. Trump's tax cuts were for ALL income groups, not just the millionaires. That's another lie. Almost everybody saw an increase in their paycheck, though it varies from person to person based on which allowances they had claimed on their W4s. Some ended up paying a little more withholding, and some got smaller refunds, but overall their tax liabilities were lower. The only reason millionaires got the biggest tax cuts is because they pay all the taxes. And I literally mean all of them. Even a tax cut for the middle class is also a tax cut for the rich due to how tax margins work. In any event, the biggest boon was the corporate tax cut, which previously was 35%, one of the highest in the world. It was cut to 21% and basically turbo charged the economy with jobs created and pay raises.

Basically, if your only exposure is the mainstream media, and definitely DEFINITELY CE, all you're going to get about republicans are lies.

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1. That is not correct. It presents only the most superficial view of the issue. Here's an in depth article regarding the nuances of gender pay gap by Scott Adams aka Mr Dilbert aka Turbomaga in case you're about to claim this is some left wing kool aid source. https://www.scottadamssays.com/2015/03/19/my-verdict-on-gender-bias-in-the-workplace/
2. Completely false claims. They were certainly accusations before the law was passed but now that it was passed health care is now cheaper and covers more than it has ever done in our lifetimes.
3. The tax cuts administered by Trump disproportionately benefited the rich. The lowest income families saw their only benefit as the double standard deductible. The rich ran away with millions extra. This was supposed to "create jobs" but instead we've lost jobs and corporate is still fucking begging for bailouts.

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Antifar posted...

When you're right, you're right.

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Annihilated posted...

a. Read enough news and you will start to notice they almost never badmouth any member of the democratic party or say anything positive about a republican. Ever.

Almost like republican politicians keep doing hilariously bad shit.

almost everything you listed is either only a small piece of the picture or something that is intentionally distorted

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yes this adequetly sums it up

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Wall Street and Silicon Valley have donated WAAAAAAAAAY more money to Biden than to Trump this election.

they like making investments in things that have a chance of not being executed for treason

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Republicans are pure fucking evil fascists.

Democrats are the lesser evil. Which is still evil. They at least try to pretend that they care, but will whore themselves out to the same rich donors as Republicans.

It's not same thing both sides..... because both parties are right leaning leaving the left no real option. The right and left aren't the same thing. But the right and the far right have a lot of overlap.
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Endgame posted...

Republicans are pure fucking evil fascists

Damn

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They are, and they are also anti-progress. It feels like most people want to keep moving forward in the world but they just won't have it and want to fight every step of the way.

MKScorpion posted...

They are, and they are also anti-progress.

Yeah this is pretty much the bottom line for me. The absolute irrational fear and loathing of change by republicans is fucking the planet and all of us and we've probably already run out of time to avert disaster already, but just in case we haven't, we'd better do a 180 on where the Overton window is placed real fucking quick.

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MKScorpion posted...

and they are also anti-progress

well, conservative literally means anti progress.

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Anti non-rich people.
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Antifar posted...

When you're right, you're right.

Blue_Dream87 posted...

You're not wrong.

vigorm0rtis posted...

Accurate.

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I wouldn't say Democrats are 'for the people' so much as they won't actively try to hinder progress. Democrats want to maintain their power just like Republicans do, but they have different ways of going about it. Democrats try to gain votes by supporting (or at least claiming to support) issues that people care about. Republicans try to force themselves onto the country and manipulate things to their advantage. They'll try their absolute hardest to suppress votes and feed misinformation, while deliberately keeping their voter base poor and uneducated so they don't bother questioning anything.

Democrats may not actively fight 'for' you, but if policy is written that benefits the people, they won't fight against it either, even if only for purely pragmatic reasons sometimes. Republicans are petty and destructive, and are literally willing to burn the country to the ground if it allows them to get their way.

I believe most Democrats are at least trying to be decent people, but the current Republican Party is beyond redemption.

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The current political situation in America is the endgame of 50 years of GOP-campaigning that started with Nixon's Watergate scandal.

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Yes, they're against any idea of an egalitarian society or the collective good. They're only in favor of the individual, and the bigger the gap between those on top and those on the bottom, the better. They're even quite willing to sacrifice their lives and livelihood to this ideal, just biding their time to get to be the ones lording it over and oppressing everyone else.

Add to that the militant worship of a state that follows this ideology, and what you have is simply pure fascism. And that IS the core of Republican politics nowadays, most sadly.

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I have a family friend that keeps saying the left is brain washed and delusional and they'll never understand it.

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zinezinzadan posted...

I have a family friend that keeps saying the left is brain washed and delusional and they'll never understand it.

I think your friend may be brainwashed and delusional and will never understand it.
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American conservatives are motivated almost entirely by selfishness.

That or religion, but mostly the former.

A lot of rich people are sociopaths. They step on anyone for self interest.

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