Poll of the Day > Which Pokemon game has the best story?

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JigsawTDC
10/23/20 6:09:44 PM
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I dropped of Pokemon in the Diamond/Pearl era and didn't even finish that game because I was feeling bored, like it was just more of the same. My favorite in the series up until that point was Crystal, because it has the benefit of allowing you to go back to the Kanto region like on Gold/Silver but also had the added benefit of being the first game to finally let you pick your gender. I liked going back to areas from previous games and seeing how old characters had changed or not. None of the later games I played offered that and I still am under the impression that is not a norm in Pokemon games.

I have heard some of the more recent games have had more engaging stories, and I do enjoy the core gameplay mechanics, so which are worth checking out?
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YoukaiSlayer
10/23/20 6:18:46 PM
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Whichever one stays the most out of your way. It's like monster hunter in that regard.

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GanonsSpirit
10/23/20 6:29:17 PM
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Black/White and Black/White 2.
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Lokarin
10/23/20 6:30:30 PM
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Pokemon Ranger 2

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Judgmenl
10/23/20 6:47:44 PM
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Probably Black/White and Black/White 2.
It is the generation that GF put the most effort into, but fans largely backlashed (partly due to the rise of smogon) which resulted in the downfall of the series.

At the time I did not like BW and BW2 either. I think that the DSi factored a lot into it and how I was changing as a person. Now, I see them as the pinnacle of the series.

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DarkKirby2500
10/23/20 7:00:41 PM
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Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky
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Metalsonic66
10/23/20 7:01:15 PM
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Gold and Silver

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faramir77
10/23/20 7:11:02 PM
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I remember Black and White having a much more detailed story than I was expecting, but I basically ignored it because Pokemon never had much story to begin with, so I really didn't care.

I remember X/Y having a really boring, predictable story, but everything else about it was fine so I didn't care.

Gold and Silver strikes a good balance between minimal story while still being coherent. The ties it made to Red and Blue were outstanding. Gold and Silver are still my favourite games in the series.

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Zeus
10/23/20 7:19:12 PM
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JigsawTDC posted...
I dropped of Pokemon in the Diamond/Pearl era and didn't even finish that game because I was feeling bored, like it was just more of the same.

Then you might enjoy SM, whereas many didn't.

JigsawTDC posted...
but also had the added benefit of being the first game to finally let you pick your gender.

...kinda noticing a trend here with your previous topics. You're kinda playing the male feminist gimmick to the point of self-parody.

JigsawTDC posted...
None of the later games I played offered that and I still am under the impression that is not a norm in Pokemon games.

I thought Platinum had something. Plus you have BW2, which kinda serves as a direct sequel to BW1.


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trodi_911
10/23/20 7:21:24 PM
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Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers Trio.

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JigsawTDC
10/23/20 7:25:52 PM
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Zeus posted...
...kinda noticing a trend here with your previous topics. You're kinda playing the male feminist gimmick to the point of self-parody.

Lol, sounds like you're projecting some sort of self-created strawman onto me. I think I've created two topics that even touch on topics of feminism, one of which was a parody of another topic. And I haven't really posted much about my own personal views, only commented on intentions vs. impact and perception vs. projection with other posters. Feel free to project whatever caricature you want onto me though, I don't care. Your assessment says more about you than it does about anyone else here.

Edit: and to elaborate a bit on why I liked the ability to play as a female, I always played early Pokemon games with one of my sisters, but we always had to use male avatars and I was the self-insert character. It was cool when we finally had the option to let her be the self-insert character. But yeah, my 10-year-old excitement about more options in a game clearly shows my gimmick! I guess the jig is up! Oh no!
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Zeus
10/23/20 7:42:38 PM
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JigsawTDC posted...
Lol, sounds like you're projecting some sort of self-created strawman onto me. I think I've created two topics that even touch on topics of feminism, one of which was a parody of another topic. And I haven't really posted much about my own personal views, only commented on intentions vs. impact and perception vs. projection with other posters. Feel free to project whatever caricature you want onto me though, I don't care. Your assessment says more about you than it does about anyone else here.

First, you parodied Deerzord's topic to spin it the other way:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/79054318
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/79054324

Next, you created a topic promoting male feminists:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/79056740

And then there's a random "OMG! I LIKE HOW PROGRESSIVE THIS IS!"
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/79058903/946214109

This is all within just the past few days. The first topic raised my eyebrow. The second felt like there was a bit of a trend. So the presence of the first and second made the third really stand out as an odd remark. And while you could say, "Well, I've only done two topics (that I remember)," it kinda stands out when those two topics are within a day of each other.

JigsawTDC posted...
And I haven't really posted much about my own personal views,

An agenda-driven topic parodying another topic is generally a pretty strong indication (with the exception of an outright spoof), although I wouldn't have paid it that much mind if you didn't post a feminist topic the next day.

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JigsawTDC
10/23/20 7:53:11 PM
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You're projecting a caricature onto me lol. The parody topic was made not because I've got an agenda but because I thought flipping the question would generate stronger discussion. Looks like I was right.

How is asking if someone is a feminist promoting it, exactly? I asked an open question and didn't lead anyone to their answer. And I told you exactly what my motivation for creating that topic was in said thread.

And dude, you seem awfully upset that I enjoyed the option to play as a girl in a video game. I'm not gushing about how progressive and forward thinking and revolutionary I think it is (partly because I don't even think that), simply commenting that I enjoyed that feature.

I've got no agenda here. What would it be? To radicalize the members of PotD with discussion threads and my views on features in Pokemon games? Lmao. Get a grip, man.
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Metalsonic66
10/23/20 8:02:54 PM
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Can we get back to Pokemon?

I thought Silver was a pretty cool rival.

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GanonsSpirit
10/23/20 8:11:50 PM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
I thought Silver was a pretty cool rival.

The first time I played Silver, I named him ??? because I thought that was what his name was.
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JigsawTDC
10/23/20 8:14:08 PM
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I always named the rivals something dumb or after a villain in another cartoon or movie lol. I actually didn't realize there was canon names until years later, after I had stopped playing Pokemon.

This thread has convinced me to add B/W and B/W2 to my list though.
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Metalsonic66
10/23/20 8:38:57 PM
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"Butt"

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Judgmenl
10/23/20 8:43:47 PM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
Can we get back to Pokemon?

I thought Silver was a pretty cool rival.
I mean most of the time I talk about Pokemon I get completely ignored so what's the point?

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Metalsonic66
10/23/20 10:04:50 PM
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Because you haven't understood the power that's inside

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Judgmenl
10/23/20 10:08:07 PM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
Because you haven't understood the power that's inside
I don't have the courage to behold.

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WhiskeyDisk
10/23/20 10:11:50 PM
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I have a soft spot for the ORAS aesthetic, but that's because Torchic/Combusken/Blaziken will always be my favorite starter unless they're ever going to give me a dark/fighting starter.

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papercup
10/23/20 10:13:45 PM
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I don't really play Pokemon for the story, but, I love Gen 2's atmosphere. It's more rustic than other games. There's only one real city in Johto, everywhere else feels like back roads and neglected. Made it feel more like an adventure than the first game did, where a large portion of the game is basically in one big city.

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JigsawTDC
10/24/20 4:27:44 PM
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Well, typical @Zeus for you. Ditching the conversation once he's called out for being wrong. I guess I shouldn't be surprised!
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Deku_Link
10/24/20 4:47:32 PM
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DarkKirby2500 posted...
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky

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Lokarin
10/24/20 4:49:05 PM
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JigsawTDC posted...
Well, typical @Zeus for you. Ditching the conversation once he's called out for being wrong. I guess I shouldn't be surprised!

How can someone be wrong in a topic about story opinions?

*Goes to page 2*

Oh, lulz

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Zeus
10/25/20 4:31:54 AM
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JigsawTDC posted...
Well, typical @Zeus for you. Ditching the conversation once he's called out for being wrong. I guess I shouldn't be surprised!

Typical @JigsawTDC for you. Trying to tag somebody who use tags to get a person to continue an argument where he tried out a weaksauce defense I can't take seriously. But sure, because you begged -- BEGGED -- me to respond to your nonsense, I'll feed you.

JigsawTDC posted...
You're projecting a caricature onto me lol.

I don't need to caricaturize you, considering you're doing a fine job caricaturizing yourself. Like I said, it feels deliberate.

JigsawTDC posted...
The parody topic was made not because I've got an agenda but because I thought flipping the question would generate stronger discussion. Looks like I was right.

The parody seemed agenda-driven and, given your admission, it looks like I was right.

JigsawTDC posted...
How is asking if someone is a feminist promoting it, exactly? I asked an open question and didn't lead anyone to their answer. And I told you exactly what my motivation for creating that topic was in said thread.

Because I'm giving you credit for knowing better. The alternative would be that you're pulling a Lokarin, but that goes against the entirety of what I've seen of your posting history thus far.

JigsawTDC posted...
And dude, you seem awfully upset that I enjoyed the option to play as a girl in a video game. I'm not gushing about how progressive and forward thinking and revolutionary I think it is (partly because I don't even think that), simply commenting that I enjoyed that feature.

Dude, is that really your defense? You randomly brought up an entirely cosmetic feature with zero impact on gameplay to look progressive (actually, I *hope* you were just doing it to look progressive, because the alternative is way, way worse... well, one of the alternatives, I suppose). Now you're backing up and trying to deny that the intent was something progressive.

While I also happen to feel that Crystal was an improvement over GS, of the countless improvements offered by the game nowhere near the top of that list would I include "because you can play as a girl." That's just a weird virtue signal. Crystal had additional story elements, which was cool. It had fixed encounters with Suicune so you weren't just stuck chasing it to try to catch it. It introduced the Battle Tower, which was a fucking major thing. But rather than mention any of this, you just hold up the fact that you have the choice of playing as a female character. That decision is in itself conspicuous. That kind of a change might matter to somebody who identifies as a woman (even though players routinely play games with characters who aren't their identified sex/gender), but it stands out coming from anybody else ESPECIALLY in light of the other things.

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JigsawTDC
10/25/20 6:08:48 AM
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Zeus posted...
Typical @JigsawTDC for you. Trying to tag somebody who use tags to get a person to continue an argument where he tried out a weaksauce defense I can't take seriously. But sure, because you begged -- BEGGED -- me to respond to your nonsense, I'll feed you.

I don't need to caricaturize you, considering you're doing a fine job caricaturizing yourself. Like I said, it feels deliberate.

The parody seemed agenda-driven and, given your admission, it looks like I was right.

Because I'm giving you credit for knowing better. The alternative would be that you're pulling a Lokarin, but that goes against the entirety of what I've seen of your posting history thus far.

Dude, is that really your defense? You randomly brought up an entirely cosmetic feature with zero impact on gameplay to look progressive (actually, I *hope* you were just doing it to look progressive, because the alternative is way, way worse... well, one of the alternatives, I suppose). Now you're backing up and trying to deny that the intent was something progressive.

While I also happen to feel that Crystal was an improvement over GS, of the countless improvements offered by the game nowhere near the top of that list would I include "because you can play as a girl." That's just a weird virtue signal. Crystal had additional story elements, which was cool. It had fixed encounters with Suicune so you weren't just stuck chasing it to try to catch it. It introduced the Battle Tower, which was a fucking major thing. But rather than mention any of this, you just hold up the fact that you have the choice of playing as a female character. That decision is in itself conspicuous. That kind of a change might matter to somebody who identifies as a woman (even though players routinely play games with characters who aren't their identified sex/gender), but it stands out coming from anybody else ESPECIALLY in light of the other things.

Typical behavior is something that is done regularly. Not sure what other examples you have of me tagging someone to continue a conversation. Not that it matters.

Okay, so the parody topic "seemed" agenda-driven to you. There's actually nothing to objectively give that indication though. Thus, what "seems" entirely comes from you. Or, in other words, a projection. If you look for agendas you're going to find them, even if they're not there. What "seems" in your subjective reality is not objective truth. And given my admission it was a parody? That was nothing I ever hid or denied, so I'm not sure what exactly I am "admitting" or how it being a parody topic proves it has some sort of agenda? And again, what would my agenda be? Am I part of some vague leftist conspiracy to brainwash the PotD message board with Marxist indoctrination through obscure parody topics and mentions of decade old Pokemon features? Please connect the dots for us, oh brilliant and mighty Zeus.

"Knowing better"? What are you on about? As if asking a question somehow means I am pushing a particular answer or mode of thinking? It almost seems as if you'd rather certain questions just not be asked in general, which is a bit strange. Why does the question itself bother you? And again, I explained to you my exact motivations behind creating said topic. I was curious to see the demographics after a claim was made by another poster. But feel free to ignore that, again.

I didn't "randomly bring up" anything. This is my thread and it's in the first post. And clearly we value different things in our Pokemon games. I don't give a shit about the Battle Tower and honestly forgot that was a thing in Crystal. I don't play Pokemon so much for the battles or to compete competitively or create the most min max party, or anything of that sort. I play it to roleplay in that universe. And, aside from the reasoning involving my sister above that I already explained (that you ignored, surprise), I don't see what's wrong with enjoying and commenting on a expansion of your roleplaying options in this series. I always remembered that being a feature it introduced that I enjoyed, even as a child, and I can guarantee I didn't have any need or desire to "virtue signal" then, just as I don't have any need or desire for it now. Just because you don't care about it or don't enjoy it, doesn't mean I can't.

Why do you care so much about this? Like to put things into perspective: a single line about enjoying being able to play as a girl in Pokemon (not anything that said the feature was revolutionary or life-changing) caused you to link it to two other recent topics I made and create a conspiracy about me having some some vague "agenda" in line with leftist thought. Oh no! Watch out for TDC! He's coming for you with open-ended discussion and virtue signaling video game features!! Do you have any idea how insane you look to anyone else other than you? I probably look insane for even attempting to engage with you. But I challenge you to go find every other topic I made on this board within the timeframe I've made the three topics we've been discussing. I can promise you, it's not just a few. And, for extra credit, please link all of these topics into the grand conspiracy about me.
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Zeus
10/25/20 7:13:58 AM
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JigsawTDC posted...
Okay, so the parody topic "seemed" agenda-driven to you. There's actually nothing to objectively give that indication though. Thus, what "seems" entirely comes from you. Or, in other words, a projection. If you look for agendas you're going to find them, even if they're not there. What "seems" in your subjective reality is not objective truth. And given my admission it was a parody? That was nothing I ever hid or denied, so I'm not sure what exactly I am "admitting" or how it being a parody topic proves it has some sort of agenda?

Actions have intent. You already admitted your intent which brings in agenda. One hardly needs to listen for something when somebody is using a bullhorn. You dismissed his complaints to spin the topic in a direction you considered more favorable (which again, you admitted) and that spin is based on your personal agenda.

And again, were it your only thing, I wouldn't have remarked much upon it besides noting the fact it's a parody.

JigsawTDC posted...
"Knowing better"? What are you on about?

As opposed to oblivious question-asking. I already explained that.

JigsawTDC posted...
As if asking a question somehow means I am pushing a particular answer or mode of thinking? It almost seems as if you'd rather certain questions just not be asked in general, which is a bit strange.

Asking a question like that is strange in itself. And asking questions can be used to drive opinions or thought.

JigsawTDC posted...
Why does the question itself bother you?

Why does being questioned about your topics and weird remarks bother you? Or is it simply a matter that you find being associated with feminism abhorrent?

JigsawTDC posted...
And again, I explained to you my exact motivations behind creating said topic. I was curious to see the demographics after a claim was made by another poster.

Which if you'd explained from the opening post in that topic would have made it less noteworthy, although now that you have two topics and a weird reference in a post it still all feels connected.

JigsawTDC posted...
I didn't "randomly bring up" anything.

Oh, then you admit virtue-signaling?

JigsawTDC posted...
This is my thread and it's in the first post.

Which doesn't make it any less weirdly conspicuous and random to highlight that as a benefit while not even acknowledging more significant elements.


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Zeus
10/25/20 7:14:03 AM
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JigsawTDC posted...
I play it to roleplay in that universe.

...which makes overlooking the added story elements in Crystal all the stranger. After all, if you want to RP harder, surely the added story elements in a game that isn't exactly big on story would stand out to you.

Otherwise, you should be praising the later games instead because they added more character customization. I seem to remember you mentioning stopping the franchise early, when they first added customization, it was a reasonably big deal where if you had any curiosity about the games you likely would have noticed. You're making a huge deal about a game adding gender when you can now pick clothes, hair, eye color, and even race.

JigsawTDC posted...
And, aside from the reasoning involving my sister above that I already explained (that you ignored, surprise),

...you edited in the sister comment after the fact. I didn't "ignore it" so much as it wasn't there when I saw your post.

JigsawTDC posted...
Why do you care so much about this?

...says the guy who literally egged me into responding after I was through discussing the matter. You're asking why am I still talking about this when you literally provoked me into continuing this. You forever lose the right to pretend that somebody else is making a big deal out of something when you're going out of your way to get them back into an argument after they'd already said their piece.

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Metalsonic66
10/25/20 4:22:19 PM
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Zeus posted...
But rather than mention any of this, you just hold up the fact that you have the choice of playing as a female character. That decision is in itself conspicuous.
lol wut

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JigsawTDC
10/25/20 4:48:05 PM
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"My name is Zeus and I just wanted you all to know how CRAAAZZZY I am!!"

Okay Zeus. Have fun setting up your strawmen and knocking them down. I know playing pretend can be fun.
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zhangliao1
10/25/20 5:09:20 PM
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GanonsSpirit posted...
Black/White and Black/White 2.
this

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GastroFan
10/25/20 7:37:21 PM
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zhangliao1 posted...
this

I agree that B/W and B/W2 had the best story, since it concluded after you became Pokemon League champion. They also had more, if not the same amount, of postgame sidequests as Platinum (which I enjoyed), and new areas to explore with higher level pokemon.
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10/25/20 7:39:54 PM
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silver

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