Poll of the Day > Trump 'doesn't know about QAnon': is he a liar, or just woefully uninformed?

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Clench281
10/17/20 4:21:32 PM
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The House has passed a resolution condemning QAnon, and the FBI considers QAnon a domestic terrorist threat.

What does the president have to say about this group?

"I know nothing about QAnon, I know very little...I know nothing about it, I do know they are very much against pedophilia, they fight it very hard. But I know nothing about it."

What do you think? The president is either lying, or uninformed about something he should know about. Which do you think it is?

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papercup
10/17/20 4:23:31 PM
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Of course he's lying, Qanon are his people

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OhhhJa
10/17/20 4:25:34 PM
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Possibly knows very little like he said. I'm sure he isnt reading in depth about them on the internet. I feel like, for the most part, the only people that know much about them are the crazies deep into their bs
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Blightzkrieg
10/17/20 4:26:34 PM
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"QAnon is against pedophilia" is a fucking wild way to describe it. It's like saying "Hitler is pro farming"

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OhhhJa
10/17/20 4:31:23 PM
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Lol antifa arent domestic terror threats (an umbrella group with different factions that literally goes around committing acts of terrorism) but a simple conspiracy theory pro trump group is. Gimme a break
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DevilSummoner1
10/17/20 4:38:30 PM
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most likely lying as usual

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OrangeDawn
10/17/20 4:38:53 PM
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his government branded qanon as domestic terrorists, but sure he doesn't know who they are

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DirtBasedSoap
10/17/20 4:40:55 PM
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yeah, very concerning that the president doesnt know anything about something the FBI has declared a domestic terror threat but it isnt surprising either.

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Mead
10/17/20 4:42:53 PM
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Trump doesnt admit to not knowing things

If he says he doesnt know anything about something, you can tell he knows about it but doesnt want to admit it

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Wanded
10/17/20 5:14:38 PM
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qanon is an idea

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Blightzkrieg
10/17/20 5:16:12 PM
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Wanded posted...
qanon is an idea
That doesn't address the topic at hand

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OhhhJa
10/17/20 5:17:34 PM
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Wanded posted...
qanon is an idea
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Zeus
10/17/20 5:46:51 PM
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Most Americans aren't going to know what the fuck QAnon is because it's a fringe internet thing that rarely makes headlines. And if somebody has heard anything about them, it's going to be very little. In fact, I doubt most people here know all that much about QAnon and we're better informed about QAnon than society at large.

Clench281 posted... the FBI considers QAnon a domestic terrorist threat.

And the FBI considers the ICP and their fans a gang. Should everybody be well-versed with the ICP?

Clench281 posted...
something he should know about.

Why should anybody know about it? It's one of countless weird fringe movements. Should people know about every fucking fringe belief on the internet?

OrangeDawn posted...
his government branded qanon as domestic terrorists, but sure he doesn't know who they are

Do you have any idea how big "his government" is? The reason we have countless divisions and government employees is because nobody can track of all that shit.

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Sensual_T_Rex
10/17/20 6:01:36 PM
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Ok I'll ask. What is QAnon?

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Mead
10/17/20 6:05:56 PM
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Sensual_T_Rex posted...
Ok I'll ask. What is QAnon?

Online cult/domestic terror group that thinks liberals and celebrities are a secret satanic cult that exists to fuck and eat children

not even kidding

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JigsawTDC
10/17/20 6:07:44 PM
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Zeus posted...
And the FBI considers the ICP and their fans a gang. Should everybody be well-versed with the ICP?

yes whoop whoop
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Blightzkrieg
10/17/20 6:10:19 PM
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Are we eating them? Ive just been drinking their blood.

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Sensual_T_Rex
10/17/20 6:14:55 PM
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Mead posted...
Online cult/domestic terror group that thinks liberals and celebrities are a secret satanic cult that exists to fuck and eat children

not even kidding

Oh I can believe it. I just wasn't sure if it was some sub redit or a YouTube personality or something like that. But it's basically like a Anonymous or flat earth weirdos.

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waterdeepchu
10/17/20 6:40:17 PM
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Lying.

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DirtBasedSoap
10/17/20 6:50:52 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
Are we eating them? Ive just been drinking their blood.
the adrenochrome keeps us libs young

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Wanded
10/17/20 7:50:19 PM
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Sensual_T_Rex posted...
Ok I'll ask. What is QAnon?
joining the question

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BlackJackCat
10/17/20 8:15:02 PM
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He's lying.

The amount of times his staff got asked about it, I fail to see how it was not brought to his attention, especially during prep for the debate and so on. He's either getting shitty council, or he knows damn well what QAnon is and won't disavow it because he likes wingnuts.

I suppose it's possible he is getting shitty council and he won't disavow QAnon anyways because it sounds like a wingnut thing that likes him, but that speaks more to his failing as a whole than anything else.

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OhhhJa
10/17/20 9:48:16 PM
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BlackJackCat posted...
He's lying.

The amount of times his staff got asked about it, I fail to see how it was not brought to his attention, especially during prep for the debate and so on. He's either getting shitty council, or he knows damn well what QAnon is and won't disavow it because he likes wingnuts.

I suppose it's possible he is getting shitty council and he won't disavow QAnon anyways because it sounds like a wingnut thing that likes him, but that speaks more to his failing as a whole than anything else.
People just want trump to disavow anyone who might possibly vote for him lol. Sure, I get him disavowing white supremacists (which he has done) but qanon is just a pro trump conspiracy cult. I dont see qanon people, ya know, burning down federal buildings and small businesses and shooting people in the face like some groups. Why is biden never asked to disavow antifa? Oh yeah... aNtIfA iS aN iDeA
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BlackJackCat
10/17/20 9:54:39 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
qanon is just a pro trump conspiracy cult.

It transcends politics when you start having delusions. If anything he should be telling those people to seek help, not pussyfoot around their existence so he can exploit them for a vote.

Again, there is no way this cuts that this doesn't somehow make Trump look bad. If he's so desperate he needs conspiracy nutjobs to vote for him, what does that say about him as a whole? Or, worse, does he buy into the delusions of others?

Oh, and again, why lie about it? He is either ill informed, which makes no sense, given how meticulous politicians prep for questions like that, or should prep for them (this is not out of left field, QAnon has been in the media for a while) Or he's not willing to say anything that hurts a corner of his dysfunctional base.

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Judgmenl
10/17/20 9:58:11 PM
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https://homeland.house.gov/imo/media/doc/190814Subpoena.pdf
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/09/12/helicopter-repairman-leader-internets-darkest-reaches-life-times-chan-owner-jim-watkins/
https://www.businessinsider.com/congress-demands-8chan-owner-jim-watkins-testify-2019-8

Trump absolutely knows who Qanon is, and probably knows that Jim Watkins is Qanon.

This was in 2019. Just google "Jim Watkins" and you should find all of the info you want about the man behind Qanon.

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OhhhJa
10/17/20 10:26:06 PM
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BlackJackCat posted...
It transcends politics when you start having delusions. If anything he should be telling those people to seek help, not pussyfoot around their existence so he can exploit them for a vote.

Again, there is no way this cuts that this doesn't somehow make Trump look bad. If he's so desperate he needs conspiracy nutjobs to vote for him, what does that say about him as a whole? Or, worse, does he buy into the delusions of others?

Oh, and again, why lie about it? He is either ill informed, which makes no sense, given how meticulous politicians prep for questions like that, or should prep for them (this is not out of left field, QAnon has been in the media for a while) Or he's not willing to say anything that hurts a corner of his dysfunctional base.
Sure I can agree to all of this but why is biden not challenged ever on the useful idiots that are absolutely voting for him? Why does he never have to address any of the anarchists terrorizing cities right now? It's a double standard.
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Kyuubi4269
10/17/20 10:28:09 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Why does he never have to address any of the anarchists terrorizing cities right now?

Probably because he's not president.
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OhhhJa
10/17/20 10:31:47 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Probably because he's not president.
Lol thats not why. And he's running for president btw
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BlackJackCat
10/17/20 10:43:38 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Sure I can agree to all of this but why is biden not challenged ever on the useful idiots that are absolutely voting for him? Why does he never have to address any of the anarchists terrorizing cities right now? It's a double standard.

Because being an anarchist is more of a grey area. Especially when
  1. The anarchists are in theory anti-fascist (let's not get into a debate about if they actually are or are not, the point is fundamentally they are against something generally most people disagree with on paper, or should disagree with)
  2. Whether they are right or wrong to use violence to push their ends, at least they are usually grounded in reality. You might not like the thing they are pushing for, but at least it's not something pulled right out of their ass to demonize the fuck out of the other side. I suppose you could argue that calling everything racist and fascist is the same thing, but lets not pretend pedophilia isn't a whole level of damaging unto its own.
Antifa, regardless of your thoughts on them, are not delusional. Antifa, by large also do not "support" Biden. In fact there is no clear consensus what they support. Some have suggested the whole establishment step down, others accept Biden as the only realistic alternative in a two party system. Saying they "support" Biden is tenuous because they're not an organization that is cohesive from individual to individual, never mind from city to city or other comparative groups.

As I said, you could argue Antifa's conception of what is racism and fascism is flawed, but that's potentially an argument you would have to have a thousand different times with a thousand different minutia because the organizational structure of Antifa is broad. To flip this around, would you call a group of people who are trying to run a known sex offender out of a neighborhood an organization? It could possibly be, or, maybe, a dozen angry neighbors show up on the same day with the same thing in mind, because largely it's accepted that being a sex offender is not okay. The people could come with different intentions in mind, but still be grouped by one common thread, but have no prior conspiracy to do anything in a concerted effort.

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OhhhJa
10/17/20 10:55:32 PM
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It really just sounds kinda like you're apologizing for antifa. You make some valid points but at the end of the day, antifa groups have, on many occasions throughout all of this, targeted and terrorized regular Americans who are often times minding their own business or simply running a business. I dont care what they say their goals are. You cant just excuse this behavior by claiming they have noble goals in mind. We could indeed argue about antifa's politics but it's quite clear their goals are not simply eradicating fascism. People have eyes and can see thats just complete bullshit.

If trump has to condemn conspiracy groups by name, biden should absolutely have to condemn violent radical groups by name. The only reason he won't and isn't being forced to by establishment media is because the overwhelming majority of them are voting for him and the ones that arent definitely arent voting for trump

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BlackJackCat
10/17/20 11:04:15 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
It really just sounds kinda like you're apologizing for antifa. You make some valid points but at the end of the day, antifa groups have, on many occasions throughout all of this, targeted and terrorized regular Americans who are often times minding their own business or simply running a business. I dont care what they say their goals are. You cant just excuse this behavior by claiming they have noble goals in mind. We could indeed argue about antifa's politics but it's quite clear their goals are not simply eradicating fascism. People have eyes and can see thats just complete bullshit.

If trump has to condemn conspiracy groups by name, biden should absolutely have to condemn violent radical groups by name. The only reason he won't and isn't being forced to by establishment media is because the overwhelming majority of them are voting for him and the ones that arent definitely arent voting for trump

I won't dispute that. That's your take, you're welcome to it.

However I will leave on one last thought, since you seem to be reasonable. I'm not expecting this to change your mind, but it is something you should consider.

If the current situation as you describe it is the measure of leadership, how would Trump rate right now? Without blaming the media, without blaming a conspiracy against the right, assuming that, for a moment, the reaction, regardless of motive or politics, is a cry for help for the country on a serious issue that has been intentionally marginalized by the leadership.

To me, Trump fails this simple of tests. As a leader he let the things happen that you are opposing. Don't let someone bullshit you any other way. Leadership means taking responsibility for those under you. Even if, as some people try to spin it, the riots are due to the Democrats intentionally letting their cities run amok, Trump is the one who is ultimately responsible because he cannot manage those under him. Even Obama, for as torrential as his presidency was could occasionally make it work more or less without the entire country shitting itself for practically a whole year.

If you want to blame the left for that still, be my guest, but at the end of the day it's the guy in charge who alienated the fuck out of the people he was supposedly suppose to work with. Even if this was a concerted effort (I don't think it is personally) the fact that he can't quash it without making himself look worse is a sign of his utter failure, and the protests a measure of how much he is hurting the country.

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Cacciato
10/17/20 11:15:27 PM
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Of course hes lying. The dumb bastard stood at a podium and talked about how Puerto Rico should vote for him. Its sad when hes campaigning for votes from a commonwealth that doesnt even get a say in his re-election lmao.

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Mead
10/17/20 11:17:21 PM
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Puerto Rico could mail ballots printed on paper towels

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Notti
10/17/20 11:20:28 PM
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exitwound5480
10/17/20 11:43:18 PM
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Of course he doesn't, Qanon sounds awfully MUSLIM

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Joe_Biden
10/17/20 11:52:12 PM
#36:


OhhhJa posted...
It really just sounds kinda like you're apologizing for antifa. You make some valid points but at the end of the day, antifa groups have, on many occasions throughout all of this, targeted and terrorized regular Americans who are often times minding their own business or simply running a business. I dont care what they say their goals are. You cant just excuse this behavior by claiming they have noble goals in mind. We could indeed argue about antifa's politics but it's quite clear their goals are not simply eradicating fascism. People have eyes and can see thats just complete bullshit.

If trump has to condemn conspiracy groups by name, biden should absolutely have to condemn violent radical groups by name. The only reason he won't and isn't being forced to by establishment media is because the overwhelming majority of them are voting for him and the ones that arent definitely arent voting for trump
see, the reason biden doesn't have to condemn them is because he always has. not once has he ever said or tweeted anything in support of these various groups like trump has repeatedly.

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BlackScythe0
10/18/20 12:20:23 AM
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He's partially lying and partially honest. He has supported a number of conspiracy theories that are part of the qanon sphere but I don't think he fully understands what qanon means. I'd say he's a liar though because he has surely been told by now "qanon are your supporters" given that the conspiracy basically makes him out to be essentially a super hero.
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Zareth
10/18/20 4:06:47 AM
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It basically says he's chosen by god to reveal the list of names of the "cabal" of child-eating liberal pedophiles and establish permanent conservative rule.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
10/19/20 9:47:35 PM
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I don't know what qanon is. I don't expect Trump to know what qanon is. I think the leftist that treat qanon as their boogeyman don't even know what qanon is.

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Clench281
10/19/20 9:50:41 PM
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"I'm not informed, and I don't expect my president to be either!"

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SKARDAVNELNATE
10/19/20 10:18:57 PM
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Clench281 posted...
"I'm not informed, and I don't expect my president to be either!"
Let's say you and your friends make something up. Let's also give it a stupid name like KBurito. Everyone who hears about the KBurito thinks it sounds made up and has a stupid name. However the more you and your friends talk about it without naming it first the more people who overhear you become concerned about what you're talking about and ask. Soon there is an ever growing group of people panicking over the KBurito.

Is the KBurito responsible for this?
What is the president going to do about the KBurito?
How does the president not know about the KBurito?

One group of people still think it sounds made up and has a stupid name. They don't know what people are panicking about.

Meanwhile the group of people panicking over the KBurito don't actually know what it is either. They just heard about it from someone else.

So yes. I do prefer that the president not be part of the 2nd group.

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BlackJackCat
10/19/20 10:24:19 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Let's say you and your friends make something up. Let's also give it a stupid name like KBurito. Everyone who hears about the KBurito thinks it sounds made up and has a stupid name. However the more you and your friends talk about it without naming it first the more people who overhear you become concerned about what you're talking about and ask. Soon there is an ever growing group of people panicking over the KBurito.

Is the KBurito responsible for this?
What is the president going to do about the KBurito?
How does the president not know about the KBurito?

One group of people still think it sounds made up and has a stupid name. They don't know what people are panicking about.

Meanwhile the group of people panicking over the KBurito don't actually know what it is either. They just heard about it from someone else.

So yes. I do prefer that the president not be part of the 2nd group.

That's an elaborate defense for not being informed about topics in the media, especially when members of his own administration have been asked about those topics.

You could perhaps say that whether he knows or not doesn't change anything, but anyone who has read into the conspiracy theory would (hopefully) dismiss it as mental illness.

This doesn't cut good either way. He's either poorly informed, which I doubt, or willfully avoiding any substantive stance on the topic. Saying "They are crazy, next question." is not hard; he just chooses not to. The alternative is that he's just not paying attention. Wonderful quality in a president.

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Zareth
10/19/20 10:40:09 PM
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BlackJackCat posted...
Saying "They are crazy, next question." is not hard; he just chooses not to.
One thing that I've noticed about Trump, is that if a group openly praises him, he can't say anything bad about them. He'll dance all around any discussion about them.

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BlackJackCat
10/19/20 10:57:13 PM
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Zareth posted...
One thing that I've noticed about Trump, is that if a group openly praises him, he can't say anything bad about them. He'll dance all around any discussion about them.

It's the reverse of praising in public, and admonishing in private. Pretty toxic too honestly.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
10/19/20 11:03:32 PM
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BlackJackCat posted...
The alternative is that he's just not paying attention.
Why is that the alternative? I can think of a few alternate possibilities.
1) He's informed about the KBurrito but doesn't feel like he knows enough to make a statement.
2) He hasn't figured out how to use the KBurrito to his advantage yet.
3) He's waiting for a time when he can use what he says about the the KBurrito to distract his opponents from his actions.
4) He's already distracting his opponents by getting them to talk about how he doesn't know about the KBurrito instead of talking about something else.

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Joe_Biden
10/19/20 11:16:07 PM
#46:


what is a kburrito

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BlackJackCat
10/19/20 11:17:42 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Why is that the alternative? I can think of a few alternate possibilities
1) He's informed about the KBurrito but doesn't feel like he knows enough to make a statement.

A man who is incredibly opinionated on things he has absolutely no knowledge of holding his tongue? Color me surprised. Also, is his prep for these events so bad that they didn't throw in "You might get asked about this QAnon thing, so here it what it is and what you should say about it?"

Nah. Doesn't make him look good either way.

2) He hasn't figured out how to use the KBurrito to his advantage yet.
3) He's waiting for a time when he can use what he says about the the KBurrito to distract his opponents from his actions.

Possible.

4) He's already distracting his opponents by getting them to talk about how he doesn't know about the KBurrito instead of talking about something else.

I mean he's under a lot of scrutiny. I can buy him throwing as much garbage as possible to confuse the issue, but I doubt anyone is hyperfocused on this. It's just another quirk about him that solidifies some less than flattering conceptions about him.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
10/19/20 11:23:03 PM
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Joe_Biden posted...
what is a kburrito
No one really knows. Probably not worth worrying about. Plus it sounds made up and has a stupid name.

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Clench281
10/20/20 7:38:31 AM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Why is that the alternative? I can think of a few alternate possibilities.
1) He's informed about the KBurrito but doesn't feel like he knows enough to make a statement.
2) He hasn't figured out how to use the KBurrito to his advantage yet.
3) He's waiting for a time when he can use what he says about the the KBurrito to distract his opponents from his actions.
4) He's already distracting his opponents by getting them to talk about how he doesn't know about the KBurrito instead of talking about something else.

'not knowing enough to make an opinion' would fall under uninformed; the rest would fall under lying. Thanks for agreeing with the topic title.

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Alpha218
10/20/20 9:30:53 AM
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Trump spends all day watching Fox News and shitposting on Twitter. Of course he knows what QAnon is

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