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Corrik7
10/19/20 1:38:02 AM
#353:


StealThisSheen posted...
As it stands right now, there's not really any reason for Biden to start denying anything because... There's not truly anything there, yet. All it'd do is draw attention to it.

It'd be like if I started posting on here "Joe Biden eats babies," and suddenly the Biden campaign put out a statement saying he doesn't eat babies. People are suddenly gonna be like "Wait, who said he ate babies? What's that about?"

It's giving undeserved attention to it.
Isn't that kind of a bad argument though?

I mean, do you think if Trump when pressed about not denouncing White Supremacists refused to confirm or deny if he does under the grounds of "not wanting to draw attention to White Supremacists" would fly?

I mean, I think you are being mighty naive with that argument to think that Trump isn't already going to bring this stuff up at the debate already and draw attention to it on the main stage in front of America.

But, hey, maybe I am being naive?

Just think that Biden is being dumb not to deny it at least, and the only reason I can think that he would not just outright unequivocally deny it is that he believes there is a possibility that the laptop hard drive is POSSIBLY legit. And that he doesn't want to get caught in a lie if he goes that route and make it even worse.

The acting like it doesn't exist isn't going to work too well when the opponent is literally Donald Trump.

I am not saying the source possibly wasn't dubious. But, a dubious source doesn't mean the content itself is not legit. Even the biggest scumbag could have legitimate information.

Chris knows this of course already. Just because scum says something in mafia doesn't mean what they said wasn't true. You can doubt the source, but it is only with further information that you can say for sure if it was misinformation or actually true.

You can file it away as I don't know, and I have reasons to not have an opinion either way due to the source. But, the outright denying and attacking the content itself without anything to disprove it is a little questionable here.

Again though, I don't see anything in this content that means the Joe did anything wrong or even puts him in a bad light here. So, it doesn't affect my vote even in the slightest. I just don't get the defense force to something that the man himself hasn't even denied.

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HeroDelTiempo17
10/19/20 2:02:27 AM
#354:


How can we be so sure these texts are real if our eyes aren't real?

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LordoftheMorons
10/19/20 3:41:50 AM
#355:


https://twitter.com/kashhill/status/1317957145653108736

scummy af

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red sox 777
10/19/20 4:09:05 AM
#356:


LordoftheMorons posted...
The Biden campaign have said that the supposed meeting between Biden and the Ukrainian guy was not in his schedule. That doesn't necessarily mean the email was fake (it could have been this guy just walking up and shaking Joe's hand, or it could have been set up but then never materialized), but that's some evidence against.

That's a very weak denial. And yeah, taking the Fifth on something like this is a perfectly valid response.....which is why journalists should stop trying to gotcha Trump by asking him to denounce people.

What Biden should do to win my support though, is give a long-winded lecture on the Court of Star Chamber and how we rejected its processes here in the US.

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HashtagSEP
10/19/20 5:02:35 AM
#357:


The difference is Trump actively retweets stuff from these white supremacist groups and appears to show support for them, which is why asking him to denounce them is not the same as the Biden stuff.

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Mr Lasastryke
10/19/20 8:30:16 AM
#358:


it's fine to dismiss information if the source isn't legit.

that being said, it's ironic how several of the people arguing with corrik here are the same people who go "GEEZ LASA STOP BITCHING ABOUT THE SOURCE" whenever i say "lol breitbart" or whatever. apparently i'm not allowed to dismiss information when the source is poop? >_>

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Corrik7
10/19/20 8:31:29 AM
#359:


https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3105953/chinese-military-beefs-coastal-forces-it-prepares-possible

Many have pondered if China will use the US election confusion as cover for their invasion.

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Corrik7
10/19/20 8:38:45 AM
#360:


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/16/us/supreme-court-undocumented-immigrants-census.html

I eagerly await to see this outcome.

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DoomTheGyarados
10/19/20 8:45:48 AM
#361:


I am interested in 'how did they arrive at this number'

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DoomTheGyarados
10/19/20 8:48:04 AM
#362:


Corrik7 posted...
Isn't that kind of a bad argument though?

I mean, do you think if Trump when pressed about not denouncing White Supremacists refused to confirm or deny if he does under the grounds of "not wanting to draw attention to White Supremacists" would fly?

I mean, I think you are being mighty naive with that argument to think that Trump isn't already going to bring this stuff up at the debate already and draw attention to it on the main stage in front of America.

But, hey, maybe I am being naive?

Just think that Biden is being dumb not to deny it at least, and the only reason I can think that he would not just outright unequivocally deny it is that he believes there is a possibility that the laptop hard drive is POSSIBLY legit. And that he doesn't want to get caught in a lie if he goes that route and make it even worse.

The acting like it doesn't exist isn't going to work too well when the opponent is literally Donald Trump.

I am not saying the source possibly wasn't dubious. But, a dubious source doesn't mean the content itself is not legit. Even the biggest scumbag could have legitimate information.

Chris knows this of course already. Just because scum says something in mafia doesn't mean what they said wasn't true. You can doubt the source, but it is only with further information that you can say for sure if it was misinformation or actually true.

You can file it away as I don't know, and I have reasons to not have an opinion either way due to the source. But, the outright denying and attacking the content itself without anything to disprove it is a little questionable here.

Again though, I don't see anything in this content that means the Joe did anything wrong or even puts him in a bad light here. So, it doesn't affect my vote even in the slightest. I just don't get the defense force to something that the man himself hasn't even denied.

Yes, but I also don't entertain what scum says in the their final hours before lynch if there is no evidence it is true. Rudy is at -1 and about to be hammered <_<

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kevwaffles
10/19/20 8:52:49 AM
#363:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
it's fine to dismiss information if the source isn't legit.

that being said, it's ironic how several of the people arguing with corrik here are the same people who go "GEEZ LASA STOP BITCHING ABOUT THE SOURCE" whenever i say "lol breitbart" or whatever. apparently i'm not allowed to dismiss information when the source is poop? >_>

First, when is the last time anyone unironically linked to Breitbart here?

Second, linking a minor* news article from Fox News' site that could have just as easily been cited from MSNBC's site is in no way comparable to this situation.

Third, there is as much if not more reason to question primary sources here than just where the article was written.

I honestly question your memory every time you do this.

*Minor as in not necessarily trying to purport itself as some huge breaking exclusive.
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Corrik7
10/19/20 8:59:13 AM
#364:


I saw a breitbart article that I just lolled at the other day. Someone posted a fact check about Biden being a liar (from breitbart). It was about Biden's "Unions from everywhere are coming out to endorse me". And, Breitbart determined it was a lie because the 154 Local Boilermaker Union (my father's union also btw) said they don't support Biden.

I was like... lol... this refutation doesn't actually refute what he said...

But, every last person on the facebook comments, which was like 300+, was agreeing with the fact check article and saying how Biden was a liar.

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Corrik7
10/19/20 9:04:06 AM
#365:


kevwaffles posted...
First, when is the last time anyone unironically linked to Breitbart here?

Second, linking a minor* news article from Fox News' site that could have just as easily been cited from MSNBC's site is in no way comparable to this situation.

Third, there is as much if not more reason to question primary sources here than just where the article was written.

I honestly question your memory every time you do this.

*Minor as in not necessarily trying to purport itself as some huge breaking exclusive.
Linking to Foxnews a lot of the time is just as well as some of the places you guys link here.

For example, this article... posted yesterday is just flat out lacking context and inaccurate.

https://twitter.com/YahooFinance/status/1317893222035849222

Besides the fact on the 18th (3 days after this article and before this article was published) McConnell said they of course would consider an agreement if one happened. This is also taking all the comments out of context to get the headline here.


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Peace___Frog
10/19/20 9:06:41 AM
#366:


Corrik7 posted...
McConnell said
You're not always this gullible

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Corrik7
10/19/20 9:16:38 AM
#367:


Let me believe what someone reported that he said something that he never at any point said and used out of context comments to try and build a justification to him implying the something we said he said that he never actually said vs believing what he actually was directly quoted to have said?

Hmmm...

Is the former or the latter the gullible one there?

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Corrik7
10/19/20 9:17:06 AM
#368:


https://heavy.com/news/meredith-bruce-dowty/

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Corrik7
10/19/20 9:19:00 AM
#369:


Ironic for a racist lol

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-losing-ground-with-white-voters-but-gaining-among-black-and-hispanic-americans/

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Peace___Frog
10/19/20 9:19:16 AM
#370:


In this case it has nothing to do with the source of the info, but rather the source of the words themselves. Hence why I quoted what I did, Mr. Context!

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Mr Lasastryke
10/19/20 9:23:58 AM
#371:


kevwaffles posted...
First, when is the last time anyone unironically linked to Breitbart here?

no idea, it was just an example.

Second, linking a minor* news article from Fox News' site that could have just as easily been cited from MSNBC's site is in no way comparable to this situation.

why not?


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Ashethan
10/19/20 9:35:05 AM
#372:


https://www.axios.com/trump-warns-lockdowns-if-biden-elected-scientists-c1263b65-15c9-47a1-9d6b-63161f6c5170.html

Trump warns that if Biden is elected he'll... listen to the scientists.

If I were Biden, I'd make an ad out of this clip. "If Joe Biden is elected, he'll listen to the scientists." - My name is Joe Biden, and I approve this message.

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Corrik7
10/19/20 9:46:04 AM
#373:


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/china-becomes-first-major-economy-to-recover-from-covid-19-pandemic/ar-BB1a9Zjm

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LinkMarioSamus
10/19/20 9:57:24 AM
#374:


Obviously it was China's plan all along to unleash this virus and tank the rest of the world's economy in the process.

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ChaosTonyV4
10/19/20 10:00:21 AM
#375:


Corrik7 posted...
Ironic for a racist lol

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-losing-ground-with-white-voters-but-gaining-among-black-and-hispanic-americans/

First off, Democratic nominee Joe Biden is attracting more support than Hillary Clinton did among white voters as a whole especially white women

Also ironic.

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Maniac64
10/19/20 10:29:36 AM
#376:


Corrik7 posted...
Is there anything pointing to it not being true?
Well there is the weirdness of a bunch of text messages from a phone being released even though this is coming from a laptop not a phone. Meaning that supposedly Hunter took screenshots of embarrassing text conversations and saved them to a laptop for no apparent reason.


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Lightning Strikes
10/19/20 10:32:58 AM
#377:


Moraless socialist party won a landslide in Bolivia, looks like a bigger margin than the annulled result and a first round win.

Nice try, CIA.

Also youd hope that in the wake of covid we would see a wave of progressive wins in elections across the world just like we did after WWII. Thats really what we need both to recover and to stop the recent fascist threat.

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Mr Lasastryke
10/19/20 10:43:44 AM
#378:


Lightning Strikes posted...
Also youd hope that in the wake of covid we would see a wave of progressive wins in elections across the world just like we did after WWII. Thats really what we need both to recover and to stop the recent fascist threat.

don't hold your breath, the consensus in my country is that my right-wing prime minister has done a fantastic job handling covid (even though he's actually done an atrocious job and we now have more cases than fucking canada as a result).

rutte did a better job than trump and bolsonaro (duh) but it seems like that made people really overrate his performance.

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metroid composite
10/19/20 10:53:57 AM
#379:


LinkMarioSamus posted...
Obviously it was China's plan all along to unleash this virus and tank the rest of the world's economy in the process.
Meanwhile, in China, they did listen to their scientists, did a full lockdown, and are now experiencing a full economic recovery:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/18/business/china-economy-covid.html?smid=tw-share

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htaeD
10/19/20 10:55:07 AM
#380:


Mr Lasastryke posted...


don't hold your breath, the consensus in my country is that my right-wing prime minister has done a fantastic job handling covid (even though he's actually done an atrocious job and we now have more cases than fucking canada as a result).

rutte did a better job than trump and bolsonaro (duh) but it seems like that made people really overrate his performance.


We got overconfident due to our first lockdown working sorta well without a mask mandate on top.
Whats worse is the politicians calling the virus a hoax to draw in the conspiracy nutter-votes
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UshiromiyaEva
10/19/20 11:07:31 AM
#381:


Lightning Strikes posted...
Moraless socialist party won a landslide in Bolivia, looks like a bigger margin than the annulled result and a first round win.

Nice try, CIA.

I'm sure Elon Musk is throwing a hissy fit as we speak.

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LinkMarioSamus
10/19/20 11:12:11 AM
#382:


metroid composite posted...
Meanwhile, in China, they did listen to their scientists, did a full lockdown, and are now experiencing a full economic recovery:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/18/business/china-economy-covid.html?smid=tw-share

Yeah that was the joke.

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DoomTheGyarados
10/19/20 11:59:34 AM
#383:


Meanwhile in bolivia they again elected the socialists because they like them.

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LordoftheMorons
10/19/20 12:16:15 PM
#384:


Absolutely fucking disgusting:

https://twitter.com/saletan/status/1318169732516892677?s=21

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LordoftheMorons
10/19/20 12:20:21 PM
#385:


https://twitter.com/mediaite/status/1318216480161517570?s=21

lmao

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LordoftheMorons
10/19/20 12:32:30 PM
#386:


https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1318170176660135936?s=21

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KamikazePotato
10/19/20 12:35:26 PM
#387:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1318170176660135936?s=21
This election cycle has peaked.

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Seanchan
10/19/20 12:51:32 PM
#388:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Absolutely fucking disgusting:

https://twitter.com/saletan/status/1318169732516892677?s=21

They don't give a shit. After they lose in November, all those deaths can tank the economy because it's a Democrat problem at that point.

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Peace___Frog
10/19/20 1:03:08 PM
#389:


People like my racist uncle will eat it up because "everyone knows democrats run the economy into the ground"

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Seanchan
10/19/20 1:13:44 PM
#390:


Peace___Frog posted...
People like my racist uncle will eat it up because "everyone knows democrats run the economy into the ground"

And they will IMMEDIATELY flip on Jan 20th to how failed Democrat policies are killing 2000+ people from COVID every day, as if by magic all the days before that didn't matter.

Of course I'm just being hypothetical. I really hope we don't have a terrible winter death spike that kills that many people. Even the ~500/day we've had for the last few months is too much.

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Ashethan
10/19/20 1:15:16 PM
#391:


Seanchan posted...
And they will IMMEDIATELY flip on Jan 20th to how failed Democrat policies are killing 2000+ people from COVID every day, as if by magic all the days before that didn't matter.

If Joe Biden has the numbers down to 5 deaths a month by March -- which is probably, unfortunately, unlikely -- there will be calls for impeachment for Biden letting so many Americans die.

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Xeybozn
10/19/20 1:25:18 PM
#392:


If Biden wins the election, I fully expect that after a few years most of America will believe that the entire pandemic occurred because of his administration. It'll be like how Obama gets blamed for causing the Great Recession.
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HeroDelTiempo17
10/19/20 1:25:42 PM
#393:


Damn

https://twitter.com/mcotteri/status/1318204966603874304?s=19

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Ashethan
10/19/20 1:26:22 PM
#394:


Xeybozn posted...
If Biden wins the election, I fully expect that after a few years most of America will believe that the entire pandemic occurred because of his administration. It'll be like how Obama gets blamed for causing the Great Recession.

Or his response during Hurricane Katrina.

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KamikazePotato
10/19/20 1:28:21 PM
#395:


Xeybozn posted...
If Biden wins the election, I fully expect that after a few years most of America will believe that the entire pandemic occurred because of his administration. It'll be like how Obama gets blamed for causing the Great Recession.
Most of America, no. 1/3 of America - yes. They will believe literally anything that harms the libz. At this point you might as well consider America to be two separate countries living in the same space.

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LordoftheMorons
10/19/20 1:30:31 PM
#396:


Just dropped off my ballot after finally figuring out all of the 5000 ballot measures this weekend!

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metroid composite
10/19/20 1:50:16 PM
#397:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Just dropped off my ballot after finally figuring out all of the 5000 ballot measures this weekend!
I hate the fact that I actually had to think about whether or not 5000 was an exaggeration.

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LordoftheMorons
10/19/20 1:51:56 PM
#398:


In 2018 I counted the number of decisions on my CA ballot and it was literally like 48 or something

It was definitely less this year, but I think it was still in the 30s

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MoogleKupo141
10/19/20 1:56:00 PM
#399:


my lake county Illinois ballot was one double-sided page and the only non-candidate things were a state tax amendment vote and a local vote to eliminate the recorders office
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metroid composite
10/19/20 2:06:54 PM
#400:


https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1318051738100756481

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Suprak the Stud
10/19/20 2:08:50 PM
#401:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
Damn

https://twitter.com/mcotteri/status/1318204966603874304?s=19

Wew

Morales out but his party empowered is like dream scenario so Ill take it!

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UshiromiyaEva
10/19/20 2:11:56 PM
#402:


metroid composite posted...
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1318051738100756481

Election Day is going to be hell on earth with the same day numbers.

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