Poll of the Day > Donald Trump is spreading COVID: Part 2

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OhhhJa
10/09/20 7:11:58 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
If they're breaking the law via ordinance, why should they not be arrested? Because you don't agree with it? That's now how the law works. There are lots of laws I don't like but I still have to abide by them.
I wear my mask whenever I go out but I'm still gonna call out what I think is a law that quite clearly crosses a line. I don't think we should be having cops go out and arrest people for not putting a piece of cloth on their face or arresting people for facebook posts. Sounds like it would make a good black mirror episode but its actually reality

Also, excessive laws lead to excessive force

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streamofthesky
10/09/20 7:20:07 PM
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adjl posted...
Eh, let's be real: Both parties spy on each other to the fullest extent they believe they can get away with. That's not a partisan thing, that's just politics being a dirty, dirty business.
You do know there was literally a time where someone stole GWB's debate prep book and tried to give it to Al Gore's team and instead of taking them up on the offer and using it, they reported it to the authorities.
Right?

Politics is a dirty business. But one side has been dealing in it much dirtier than the other.
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likehelly
10/09/20 7:20:33 PM
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so people who break the laws shouldn't be arrested for breaking the laws now

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Nestama
10/09/20 7:26:37 PM
#404:


OhhhJa posted...
I wear my mask whenever I go out but I'm still gonna call out what I think is a law that quite clearly crosses a line. I don't think we should be having cops go out and arrest people for not putting a piece of cloth on their face or arresting people for facebook posts. Sounds like it would make a good black mirror episode but its actually reality

Also, excessive laws lead to excessive force
Again, that was in Victoria (and back in September). Second surge, laws put in place, easing up now, etc. A protest would have only made lockdowns last longer.

In South Australia, you don't have to wear a mask (didn't have to since around the end of July) and the only three active cases we have here are from overseas. No one has been locally infected for 64 days.

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Wanded
10/09/20 7:31:07 PM
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likehelly posted...
so people who break the laws shouldn't be arrested for breaking the laws now
only if they're democrats

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ClarkDuke
10/09/20 8:23:10 PM
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likehelly posted...
so people who break the laws shouldn't be arrested for breaking the laws now
we both know that only covers white people, ok?

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Cacciato
10/09/20 9:05:42 PM
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This fat fuck called into an interview and called himself a perfect physical specimen lmao
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Jen0125
10/09/20 9:18:40 PM
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Cacciato posted...
This fat fuck called into an interview and called himself a perfect physical specimen lmao



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FrndNhbrHdCEman
10/10/20 4:34:19 AM
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Cacciato posted...
This fat fuck called into an interview and called himself a perfect physical specimen lmao
Like Sunny saying how zen he is while simultaneously wishing strokes on someone. The delusions are strong.

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captpackrat
10/10/20 10:06:16 AM
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adjl
10/10/20 10:21:19 AM
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streamofthesky posted...
You do know there was literally a time where someone stole GWB's debate prep book and tried to give it to Al Gore's team and instead of taking them up on the offer and using it, they reported it to the authorities.
Right?

Politics is a dirty business. But one side has been dealing in it much dirtier than the other.

I don't doubt it, but the cynic in me also recognizes that Gore probably had more public opinion to gain by publicly returning it than by using it against Bush, especially if there was a significant risk of getting caught. Maybe that's unwarranted, but I'm inclined to just assume that every politician is stabbing every other politician in the back at all times and not try to make any party-scale generalizations.

OhhhJa posted...
I wear my mask whenever I go out but I'm still gonna call out what I think is a law that quite clearly crosses a line.

Why? It's a measure that has been exhaustively demonstrated to benefit public safety, the cost to follow it is minimal (speaking as somebody who has put on a mask during an asthma attack, the people who think they can't because they have respiratory issues need to chill out and get over themselves), and not following it puts others at risk. What line is it crossing that isn't also crossed by every other public safety law (including pretty much every traffic regulation)?

OhhhJa posted...
I don't think we should be having cops go out and arrest people for not putting a piece of cloth on their face

Again, if they're breaking the law, they should be arrested appropriately. That's exactly how laws work. If you think the law's unreasonable, argue that, not some alarmist, deliberately vague "they're arresting people for not having cloth on their face!" that tries to paint the situation as being too absurd to be worth arguing properly against. That's just a cheap, pathos-ridden cop-out to get the pearl clutchers on your side.

OhhhJa posted...
arresting people for facebook posts.

If I post on Facebook "Tomorrow at 11:30 AM, I'm going to set off a bomb at the corner of Main and York," should I not be arrested?

"People shouldn't be arrested for facebook posts" is a stupid thing to say. It's a vague blanket statement that deliberately misrepresents the situation to - again - alarm pearl clutchers into agreeing with you, while ignoring the very obvious reality that there are many Facebook posts that absolutely should result in arrests. Nobody is being arrested merely for making a post on Facebook. People are being arrested for announcing their plans to break the law, which is completely fair. Again, if you want to argue against the law, do that. Stop trying to convince us that people are being arrested merely for making facebook posts, because you're not fooling anyone and are just making yourself look ridiculous.

Nestama posted...
A protest would have only made lockdowns last longer.

This is something people don't seem to get: Anti-lockdown protests aren't going to change anyone's mind. Lockdowns are based on the best available medical advice, and medicine doesn't care how many witty slogans you can come up with. Everyone already knows you're unhappy with the situation, because everyone else is also unhappy with the situation because it's a goddamn pandemic. Protesting lockdowns accomplishes absolutely nothing while also worsening the situation for everyone else, which is why the protests are met with such vitriol from the people who are also sick of being locked down but have the maturity to ride it out instead of throwing an impotent temper tantrum.

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captpackrat
10/12/20 8:12:12 PM
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On his way to infect more people at a rally in Florida, Trump apparently boarded Air Force One through the cargo hatch, which is lower to the ground and has fewer steps. Trump isn't well.



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Jen0125
10/12/20 8:14:24 PM
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ClarkDuke
10/12/20 9:26:43 PM
#414:


captpackrat posted...
On his way to infect more people at a rally in Florida, Trump apparently boarded Air Force One through the cargo hatch, which is lower to the ground and has fewer steps. Trump isn't well.
maybe the normal steps can't hold his weight anymore, so he's using the cargo hatch, ok?

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GunslingerGunsl
10/12/20 9:39:35 PM
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Maybe he just needed to check on the cargo.
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OhhhJa
10/12/20 9:43:23 PM
#416:


captpackrat posted...
On his way to infect more people at a rally in Florida, Trump apparently boarded Air Force One through the cargo hatch, which is lower to the ground and has fewer steps. Trump isn't well.

That seems like quite the conclusion to jump to based on this photo lol. Wishful thinking perhaps?
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ClarkDuke
10/12/20 9:44:47 PM
#417:


OhhhJa posted...
That seems like quite the conclusion to jump to based on this photo lol. Wishful thinking perhaps?
oh, how so?

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OhhhJa
10/12/20 10:04:52 PM
#418:


ClarkDuke posted...
oh, how so?
A picture with zero context... this seems like the kind of photo that fox would've used for a tabloid-like Obama story and a bunch of dumb boomers would've been like "LMAO!"
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Cacciato
10/13/20 4:18:19 PM
#419:


OhhhJa posted...
That seems like quite the conclusion to jump to based on this photo lol. Wishful thinking perhaps?
Youre just really bad at this.
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OhhhJa
10/13/20 4:29:27 PM
#420:


Cacciato posted...
Youre just really bad at this.
Bad at what? Not thinking one dimensionally or blindly falling for headlines? Yeah I'm bad at that for sure
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OhhhJa
10/13/20 4:30:48 PM
#421:


adjl posted...
If I post on Facebook "Tomorrow at 11:30 AM, I'm going to set off a bomb at the corner of Main and York," should I not be arrested?
Holy false equivalencies. So now leaving your house is the equivalent of making bomb threats? Lmao you lefties are ridiculous
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Mead
10/13/20 4:48:25 PM
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captpackrat
10/13/20 5:28:35 PM
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Other Presidents have used the lower deck hatch, because it has its own built-in airstair, which the main deck hatch does not have. This allows the President to disembark at a location that may not have adequate or safe facilities such as stair cars. This happened to Obama in 2016 on his visit to the Chinese city of Hangzhou when a stair car was not available, though some believe this was a deliberate snub by Beijing.

However, Trump was departing from Joint Base Andrews, which is the home base of the VC-25 fleet. They would most definitely have the necessary equipment for the President to board through the main hatch. There would literally be no need to enter through the lower deck. The only reasonable explanation is that there are a lot fewer steps to get inside, where he could rest out of the eyes of the cameras before climbing the interior staircase to the main deck.

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Jen0125
10/13/20 5:32:35 PM
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Where do they come up with this shit

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Jen0125
10/13/20 5:33:10 PM
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Also I read Trump said at his in person rally with no masks in Florida that Joe Biden better not get covid or he'll spread it to others.

Like the projection explodes my brain

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adjl
10/13/20 6:28:41 PM
#426:


OhhhJa posted...
Holy false equivalencies. So now leaving your house is the equivalent of making bomb threats? Lmao you lefties are ridiculous

What makes you think I consider those to be equivalent? Speaking of false equivalencies, analogies=/=equivalencies.

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likehelly
10/13/20 6:45:26 PM
#427:


he said puerto rico had better vote for him because he's been like a god to them

not has he done almost nothing for them, they can't vote for us presidency

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papercup
10/13/20 6:45:39 PM
#428:


Jen0125 posted...


Where do they come up with this shit

wtf XD

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adjl
10/13/20 7:01:25 PM
#429:


likehelly posted...
he said puerto rico had better vote for him because he's been like a god to them

not has he done almost nothing for them, they can't vote for us presidency

Most of them probably won't even see that because he still hasn't gotten power back to them.

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Wanded
10/13/20 7:15:28 PM
#430:


Jen0125 posted...
Where do they come up with this s***
https://youtu.be/XWouW_pR99s?t=41

This is actually the second time this happened

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Entity13
10/13/20 7:23:23 PM
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Yeah, it's been known since the Primaries he's been suffering from diminished faculties. Do I still prefer him over Trump? About as much as having my toenails surgically removed as I sleep versus my feet being amputated while I wake. But Biden is awful, and the Democrat Party should feel bad for forcing him on everyone. Should; won't.

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Cacciato
10/13/20 7:31:12 PM
#432:


likehelly posted...
he said puerto rico had better vote for him because he's been like a god to them

not has he done almost nothing for them, they can't vote for us presidency
Trump is also the guy that got elected and immediately said he took a call from the President of the Virgin Islands.
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ClarkDuke
10/14/20 2:41:30 AM
#433:


adjl posted...
What makes you think I consider those to be equivalent? Speaking of false equivalencies, analogies=/=equivalencies.
now now, he's realizing it's not going well, so he's not thinking clearly, ok?

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Wanded
10/14/20 2:43:17 AM
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https://imgur.com/nVRYxPF


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Zareth
10/14/20 3:10:15 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/

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Wanded
10/14/20 3:18:04 AM
#436:


Zareth posted...
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/
lol, some of those are really good

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/comments/jarzbh/from_the_oranges_twitter_itself/

Thanks for sharing!

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Jen0125
10/14/20 5:19:29 PM
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https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/after-previously-testing-negative-barron-trump-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-first-lady-says/

They gave their own kid the rona

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Metalsonic66
10/14/20 5:52:47 PM
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Barron 2036!

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Cacciato
10/14/20 6:45:16 PM
#439:


Jen0125 posted...
https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/after-previously-testing-negative-barron-trump-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-first-lady-says/

They gave their own kid the rona
that kid fuckin crushed the puberty phase
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Jen0125
10/14/20 6:50:15 PM
#440:


Cacciato posted...
that kid fuckin crushed the puberty phase

He really did. He is stupidly tall.

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ClarkDuke
10/15/20 3:32:30 AM
#441:


Jen0125 posted...
He really did. He is stupidly tall.
i hope it's the only stupid trait, he received from his father, ok?

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Lokarin
10/15/20 5:11:40 AM
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adjl
10/15/20 9:00:02 AM
#443:


Lokarin posted...
Meanwhile (I posted it already, but it's more relevant here)

https://truthout.org/articles/white-house-uses-petition-by-fake-doctors-with-prank-names-to-push-herd-immunity/

How do they sit down with no bottom?

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captpackrat
10/15/20 10:48:18 AM
#444:


Lokarin posted...
Meanwhile (I posted it already, but it's more relevant here)

https://truthout.org/articles/white-house-uses-petition-by-fake-doctors-with-prank-names-to-push-herd-immunity/
I'll have you know I got a prostate exam from Dr. I.P. Freely just the other day.

At least, I think it was a prostate exam. It seemed to take a long time and the doctor kept grunting.

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OhhhJa
10/15/20 10:52:58 AM
#445:


Herd immunity is real though. How do you think humanity conquered outbreaks like the black plague before vaccines existed?
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Entity13
10/15/20 10:55:24 AM
#446:


OhhhJa posted...
Herd immunity is real though. How do you think humanity conquered outbreaks like the black plague before vaccines existed?

I would presume by getting a little smarter about certain things such as rats, and the folks who continued to get infected were largely the ones who didn't wisen up or take precautions?

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OhhhJa
10/15/20 10:58:32 AM
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Entity13 posted...
I would presume by getting a little smarter about certain things such as rats, and the folks who continued to get infected were largely the ones who didn't wisen up or take precautions?
So you're saying it mostly disappeared because people smartened up? Lol ok
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Far-Queue
10/15/20 11:11:16 AM
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adjl
10/15/20 11:16:22 AM
#449:


OhhhJa posted...
Herd immunity is real though. How do you think humanity conquered outbreaks like the black plague before vaccines existed?

Mostly by dying in enormous numbers before herd immunity was achieved. Herd immunity is indeed real, but the necessary threshold differs from disease to disease (for something as easily transmitted as Covid, it's likely to be well in excess of 90%), and reaching that without a vaccine would be an absolute mess (at a CFR of 2.8% in the US and presuming a 90% threshold, that's approximately 8,270,000 Americans dead, to say nothing of hospitalizations and further disabilities). Given that current observations are suggesting that antibodies only last for ~3 months after infection, it also may not even be possible to achieve herd immunity without deliberately infecting the entire world at the same time, which is obviously absurd.

Generally speaking, you probably shouldn't be relying entirely on a medieval understanding of public health. That's not really considered adequate these days, given the sort of advances medicine has made in the last dozen centuries. If that's the only defense you can find for your point, you should perhaps consider the possibility that your point is stupid and you should try believing something else.

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papercup
10/15/20 11:20:28 AM
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OhhhJa posted...
Herd immunity is real though. How do you think humanity conquered outbreaks like the black plague before vaccines existed?

Killing off large amounts of the population isn't really conducive to having a stable country. Herd immunity is not a desired outcome.

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