Poll of the Day > Donald Trump is spreading COVID: Part 2

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Wanded
10/09/20 12:14:09 PM
#351:


streamofthesky posted...
...If Dems stopped wearing masks in the Senate, could that finally be the impetus to f***ing wait till next session to hold the supreme court hearings?
Throw in some dry coughs for show.
showing true colors

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Jen0125
10/09/20 12:14:42 PM
#352:


OhhhJa posted...
It's because you guys follow outlets that don't post the videos of people being assaulted for not wearing masks. I've seen quite a few. The police are now assaulting people and tasing them for not wearing masks as well in some places

That's disingenuous. Police aren't assaulting or tasing people for not wearing masks. The non-mask wearers are acting just as assholeish with police and they are with regular civilians and the police are already prone to brutality. They're probably resisting being trespassed from properties and forcing police to remove them forcefully. That's what I've seen.

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OhhhJa
10/09/20 12:17:08 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
That's disingenuous. Police aren't assaulting or tasing people for not wearing masks. The non-mask wearers are acting just as assholeish with police and they are with regular civilians and the police are already prone to brutality. They're probably resisting being trespassed from properties and forcing police to remove them forcefully. That's what I've seen.
Lick that boot
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adjl
10/09/20 12:19:30 PM
#354:


Sarcasthma posted...
Should I tag Ohhhja again?

He does seem to have made several additional posts without addressing that particular bit of empirical reality. I find it hard to believe he genuinely didn't notice, so tagging him likely won't alert him to anything, but I could see it providing you with some entertainment value.

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Entity13
10/09/20 12:19:51 PM
#355:


Considering that she has actually attended a number of protests, back before the rioting began (and more or less as the police started firing on peaceful groups), Jen is not the one who is likely to lick that boot.

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OhhhJa
10/09/20 12:22:14 PM
#356:


https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/utah-woman-assaulted-by-fellow-walmart-shopper-for-not-wearing-mask-police-say

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/07/27/woman-sprays-mace-on-maskless-couple-at-california-dog-park-952203

I'm at work people. I only have so much time to respond. I can't always respond to 3 different people being intentionally obtuse. I'm sure far queue knows this is a thing but wants me to go searching links for him anyway because gotta shill I guess

I'll post more later. I know you guys are terrified of leaving the house so you probably have all the time in the world but some of us have jobs
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Jen0125
10/09/20 12:24:20 PM
#357:


Entity13 posted...
Considering that she has actually attended a number of protests, back before the rioting began (and more or less as the police started firing on peaceful groups), Jen is not the one who is likely to lick that boot.

Right? Lmao I fucking hate cops. I even literally said they're prone to brutality. I don't agree with tasing someone for resisting trespass but I highly doubt a cop is tasing someone simply for not wearing a mask.

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Far-Queue
10/09/20 12:25:25 PM
#358:


Wow two instances what an absolute plague of leftist violence

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adjl
10/09/20 12:33:10 PM
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For that matter, why shouldn't people who refuse to wear masks be assaulted? They're wilfully endangering people, so beating them into compliance sounds like pretty textbook self-defense to me. At the very least, a citizen's arrest seems appropriate, and given your stance on Arbery's murder, I should think you'd be okay with exercising whatever violence is necessary to achieve that goal.

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streamofthesky
10/09/20 12:36:13 PM
#360:


Shadowbird_RH posted...
True enough. I saw on the news that the first reported fatality in a mask dispute occurred between a 60yo and an 80yo recently. I'd like to say that the anti-maskers are more stupid and unhinged and more likely to respond violently, but the positions of the two weren't mentioned. That said, my earlier post was mostly satire.
Mostly.
That can't possibly be the first.
I swear like a month into the pandemic here in the U.S. (like..April), there was a dollar store employee that told a woman w/o a mask she had to leave and she had her husband come back and shoot him.
I totally remember that story...

Oh, and in the UK there was a metro/subway worker that told a guy to wear his mask, and he said he had COVID and spat on her and she later contracted it and died, iirc.

I've seen a few stories....
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Entity13
10/09/20 12:45:13 PM
#361:


OhhhJa posted...
https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/utah-woman-assaulted-by-fellow-walmart-shopper-for-not-wearing-mask-police-say

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/07/27/woman-sprays-mace-on-maskless-couple-at-california-dog-park-952203

I'm at work people. I only have so much time to respond. I can't always respond to 3 different people being intentionally obtuse. I'm sure far queue knows this is a thing but wants me to go searching links for him anyway because gotta shill I guess

I'll post more later. I know you guys are terrified of leaving the house so you probably have all the time in the world but some of us have jobs

I'm on vacation, but have things to do as well, and usually have too many things to do while at work to be responding on a message board (save for lunch break where I am doing something relaxing instead). The point is, live your life and come back when you are actually ready.

That said, it's nice of you to show links of people assaulting one another, neither being police officers, which does nothing for nor against what Jen and I had just said before your response. If you're responding to the idea people being ass-hats in general, then yeah. That's not a distinctly left or right thing; that's a people thing.

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adjl
10/09/20 12:48:19 PM
#362:


streamofthesky posted...
That can't possibly be the first.
I swear like a month into the pandemic here in the U.S. (like..April), there was a dollar store employee that told a woman w/o a mask she had to leave and she had her husband come back and shoot him.
I totally remember that story...

Yep, that was ages ago.

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Blightzkrieg
10/09/20 12:50:07 PM
#363:


adjl posted...
Yep, that was ages ago.
Didn't like her whole family come back? I think there were at least two people who returned to attack the employee. Shit was ridiculous.

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Sarcasthma
10/09/20 12:57:11 PM
#364:


adjl posted...
He has a phone and Internet access. That's all you need to do any office job, president included. The protocol is already constitutionally established for the VP to take over any necessary duties that he can't handle from there, meaning Trump leaving the hospital (and the ensuing risk to the lives of those around him) is completely unnecessary. Yes, he absolutely can sit in a hospital for two weeks. Even if he couldn't, the possibility that he might need to has been an undeniable threat for nearly a year now and there would be absolutely no excuse for his administration failing to make the necessary preparations for that possibility.

Furthermore, the notion that parading around in a limo is a "presidential obligation" is so blatantly ludicrous that I'm amazed that even you had the gall to suggest it.

Further still, the man's gone on plenty of two-week golf vacations since taking office, and the country didn't implode without him sitting in the big chair. Don't be so melodramatic.
@OhhhJa

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streamofthesky
10/09/20 1:00:55 PM
#365:


adjl posted...
Yep, that was ages ago.

Blightzkrieg posted...
Didn't like her whole family come back? I think there were at least two people who returned to attack the employee. Shit was ridiculous.

Here it is: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/us/michigan-security-guard-mask-killing-trnd/index.html

I'm glad they're charging all 3 of them for 1st degree murder, and not just the guy who pulled the trigger. Hope they all get the death penalty or rot in jail for life if that's off the table.
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OhhhJa
10/09/20 1:02:16 PM
#366:


https://nypost.com/2020/10/05/bus-passenger-kicks-girl-in-the-face-for-not-wearing-face-mask/

https://youtu.be/HDi9tBBd0-E

Bootlicking incoming. In Australia, they're arresting pregnant people for posting on Facebook that they're going to protests. Imagine being arrested for Facebook posts lol
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OhhhJa
10/09/20 1:02:49 PM
#367:


This is actual fascism for leftists who arent sure what a totalitarian state actually looks like
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Far-Queue
10/09/20 1:09:49 PM
#368:


Oh wow we're up to four whole cases now?!

Before you know it they'll be plotting to kidnap and murder a sitting governor. It's the logical next step

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streamofthesky
10/09/20 1:09:54 PM
#369:


Wow, what a fucking Karen

She got tased for repeatedly resisting arrest, genius. Not "resisting arrest" like a black dude (cuffed on the ground already), but actually fighting him off as he tried to arrest her.
Again, she was tased for resisting arrest.
Not for not wearing a mask.

Try to keep up. She got arrested for breaking the law. Or does the right think it's ok to break the law...sometimes?
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adjl
10/09/20 1:10:14 PM
#370:


OhhhJa posted...
Imagine being arrested for Facebook posts lol

Facebook posts in which you openly admit to jeopardizing public safety and/or breaking the law? That sounds pretty reasonable. If you want to ignore the content of said posts and try to paint it as being arrested merely for making a post on facebook, that sounds a lot worse, but that's blatantly mischaracterizing the situation.

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Sarcasthma
10/09/20 1:11:54 PM
#371:


Guys, please be courteous. Poor OhhhJa is at work right now.

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OhhhJa
10/09/20 1:25:00 PM
#372:


adjl posted...
Facebook posts in which you openly admit to jeopardizing public safety and/or breaking the law?
But blm protests are okay right? Lol
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OhhhJa
10/09/20 1:25:38 PM
#373:


The cognitive dissonance from your lot is amazing
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OhhhJa
10/09/20 1:27:37 PM
#374:


streamofthesky posted...
Wow, what a fucking Karen

She got tased for repeatedly resisting arrest, genius. Not "resisting arrest" like a black dude (cuffed on the ground already), but actually fighting him off as he tried to arrest her.
Again, she was tased for resisting arrest.
Not for not wearing a mask.

Try to keep up. She got arrested for breaking the law. Or does the right think it's ok to break the law...sometimes?
I'm aware of all this. But people being arrested in the first place for not wearing a mask is ludicrous. Surely, even the biggest fear monger can see that

I think I should repost this C.S. Lewis quote:

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
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Jen0125
10/09/20 1:27:39 PM
#375:


Is BLM illegal

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adjl
10/09/20 1:29:39 PM
#376:


OhhhJa posted...
But blm protests are okay right? Lol

Depends what you mean by "BLM protests," since people like yourself seem to enjoy using it as a rather disingenuous blanket term. Posting plans to commit vandalism or arson would indeed justify an arrest. Posting plans to participate in a peaceful protest would not. Regardless of the protest in question, wearing a mask and maintaining physical distancing is going to be a good idea, but merely expressing interest in a BLM protest says nothing either way about one's intent to comply with those recommendations.

OhhhJa posted...
But people being arrested in the first place for not wearing a mask is ludicrous.

Why? There's a highly contagious, deadly pandemic afoot that can be spread asymptomatically and whose spread masks have proven to be very effective at limiting. Not wearing a mask introduces the risk of infecting other people if the person is infectious (and one generally can't be certain one isn't, due to how many cases are asymptomatic), as well as increasing the risk that that person becomes infected (and, in turn, infects many other people because they aren't wearing a mask). As such, not wearing a mask endangers the public.

Is the purpose of the police not to arrest those who are a threat to public safety?

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Jen0125
10/09/20 1:31:10 PM
#377:


Everyone at the protests I went to was wearing a mask. And that's not an exaggeration. I didn't see anyone not wearing one unless they were drinking water. There were even people giving out masks with the free water and snacks they were handing out.

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OhhhJa
10/09/20 1:53:04 PM
#378:


The Facebook posts are people saying they're going to a lockdown protest. But I'm sure you guys consider that terrorism
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OhhhJa
10/09/20 1:53:35 PM
#379:


the govt does not reserve the right to cherrypick what protests are ok
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Entity13
10/09/20 1:58:58 PM
#380:


OhhhJa posted...
the govt does not reserve the right to cherrypick what protests are ok

Nor does it reserve the right to shut down peaceful assembly, as many protests have been at the start (until police or dissenters get involved). Yet here we are. Again.

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streamofthesky
10/09/20 2:06:45 PM
#381:


OhhhJa posted...
The Facebook posts are people saying they're going to a lockdown protest. But I'm sure you guys consider that terrorism
You said it was Australia.
They might not have the same freedom of assembly that we have in the U.S. You can't assume the Constitution applies to another country.

And we were talking about Michigan, in the U.S. Why are you even bringing up what another country's government is doing? Australia's got a lot of backwards ass laws from what I've seen, wouldn't be shocked if they're not as "free" as us for protesting.
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adjl
10/09/20 2:07:15 PM
#382:


OhhhJa posted...
The Facebook posts are people saying they're going to a lockdown protest.

And it's pretty safe to assume that people attending a lockdown protest are not going to be following the public health guidelines they're openly protesting against. That non-compliance may not be explicitly in the post, but it's a reasonable inference to make. If anti-mask protesters wore masks and practiced social distancing while protesting, they'd still be under fire for spreading blatant misinformation, but they'd no longer be an immediate threat to public safety and arresting them would therefore no longer be as reasonable.

Of course, that'd completely destroy their credibility and make their protest futile and silly, but I'm not exactly going to lose sleep over idiots making themselves look even more stupid than they already do.

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Jen0125
10/09/20 2:16:10 PM
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If they're protesting the lock down while wearing masks they're more than welcome to. If they aren't wearing masks, they're likely violating local ordinance.

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Entity13
10/09/20 2:42:17 PM
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OhhhJa
10/09/20 2:44:11 PM
#385:


Jen0125 posted...
If they're protesting the lock down while wearing masks they're more than welcome to. If they aren't wearing masks, they're likely violating local ordinance.
These people are being arrested for simply saying they are going to attend a protest on facebook. Literally arrested for thoughtcrimes
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Jen0125
10/09/20 3:07:09 PM
#386:


OhhhJa posted...
These people are being arrested for simply saying they are going to attend a protest on facebook. Literally arrested for thoughtcrimes

In Australia.

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Jen0125
10/09/20 3:14:45 PM
#387:


https://www.wltx.com/mobile/article/news/politics/senate-debate-in-question-over-covid19-test/101-1d59e165-4a55-4bc1-b80e-f38bb10f023e

Oop bet he's got the rona

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OhhhJa
10/09/20 3:54:50 PM
#388:


Jen0125 posted...
In Australia.
Oh yeah, it totally won't happen here... I've only seen multiple videos of people being arrested for not wearing a mask often times when they arent even near other people. I dont think people in Australia thought it would happen there either. If I told you a year ago that in a year people would be getting arrested and tased all for not wearing a mask you would've thought I was nuts. Humans get used to tyranny really quickly. Humans have short memories and adjust to even the most outrageous of circumstances at the drop of a hat. Survival mechanism i think
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Jen0125
10/09/20 4:45:57 PM
#389:


OhhhJa posted...
Oh yeah, it totally won't happen here...

So you're getting paranoid over something they hasn't happened yet.

OhhhJa posted...
I told you a year ago that in a year people would be getting arrested and tased all for not wearing a mask you would've thought I was nuts.

We've already established this isn't happening.

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OhhhJa
10/09/20 5:11:43 PM
#390:


Jen0125 posted...
We've already established this isn't happening
Ummm... many cities have ordinances about wearing masks so yes it is actually happening
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Jen0125
10/09/20 5:29:03 PM
#391:


OhhhJa posted...
Ummm... many cities have ordinances about wearing masks so yes it is actually happening

If they're breaking the law via ordinance, why should they not be arrested? Because you don't agree with it? That's now how the law works. There are lots of laws I don't like but I still have to abide by them.

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Jen0125
10/09/20 5:42:01 PM
#392:


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/evidence-clear-hydroxychloroquine-doesn-t-help-covid-19-patients-n1242652

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Nestama
10/09/20 6:46:34 PM
#393:


OhhhJa posted...
In Australia, they're arresting pregnant people for posting on Facebook that they're going to protests.
You need to mention that this happened in Victoria, where in that state alone there was a second surge of Covid cases and they went into lockdown, only now easing them (you'd actually be arrested if you tried to enter South Australia, or New South Wales from Victoria. I think some exceptions had to be made for people who lived near the border and had to travel over for work, school, shopping and emergencies). We took the virus seriously.

And yes, people have been arrested for not wearing a mask; like the "Bunnings Karen" (easy Google search term there).

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Phantom_Nook
10/09/20 6:49:37 PM
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Now after months of redhats saying Biden wouldn't debate, now it's Trump refusing to debate.

Irony.
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Wanded
10/09/20 6:53:12 PM
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Blightzkrieg
10/09/20 6:57:05 PM
#396:


Wanded posted...
https://imgur.com/2BoS5EB
Literally Obamagate

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10/09/20 6:58:51 PM
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streamofthesky
10/09/20 6:58:54 PM
#398:


Blightzkrieg posted...
Literally Obamagate
It takes a big 'ol pair of brass balls for the party that colluded with Russia to hack the DNC servers to accuse the other party of spying on them
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adjl
10/09/20 7:08:02 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
These people are being arrested for simply saying they are going to attend a protest on facebook.
adjl posted...
it's pretty safe to assume that people attending a lockdown protest are not going to be following the public health guidelines they're openly protesting against.

Context, dude. You can find a lot of useful information there that often tells you how reasonably you can generalize your observations.

OhhhJa posted...
I've only seen multiple videos of people being arrested for not wearing a mask often times when they arent even near other people.

How can they be arrested if they aren't near other people? Are police officers not people?

OhhhJa posted...
If I told you a year ago that in a year people would be getting arrested and tased all for not wearing a mask you would've thought I was nuts.

If you told me a year ago that we'd be facing a highly contagious global pandemic right now, I would have thought you were nuts. If you told me a year ago that you would expect that a hypothetical highly contagious global pandemic would result in restrictions on gatherings and laws requiring the use of protective equipment that had been proven to make a significant difference to transmission rates, and that people would be arrested for failing to comply with those rules, I'd probably wonder why you were saying such a thing with no apparent context, but I would think that the hypothetical scenario in question was reasonable and plausible enough.

Again, context. A year ago, you had no reason to expect people to be arrested for not wearing a mask because you had no reason to expect there to be any reason to wear a mask, let alone legally mandate them. That's so obvious it borders on tautology.

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adjl
10/09/20 7:11:30 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
It takes a big 'ol pair of brass balls for the party that colluded with Russia to hack the DNC servers to accuse the other party of spying on them

Eh, let's be real: Both parties spy on each other to the fullest extent they believe they can get away with. That's not a partisan thing, that's just politics being a dirty, dirty business.

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