Current Events > What do you think is the power level of MUI Goku or limit-breaker Jiren?

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Josiah_Is_Back
09/30/20 1:43:52 AM
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Keeping in mind that SSJ Goku and Frieza were in the millions by the end of the Namek battle?









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Cobalt_Wasps
09/30/20 1:44:48 AM
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Doe
09/30/20 1:45:05 AM
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GoodOlJr
09/30/20 1:45:56 AM
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Power levels are stupid, I dont think you can quantify them really after the saiyin saga.
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Kami_no_Kami
09/30/20 1:49:17 AM
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Josiah_Is_Back
09/30/20 11:47:59 AM
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GoodOlJr posted...
Power levels are stupid, I dont think you can quantify them really after the saiyin saga.

It's often said Super Saiyan is a base form x50 upgrade, SSJ2 is double that, and SSJ3 is eight times as powerful as SSJ (or 400x base form).

So if SSJ put Goku on a 1,000,000 power level echelon, SSJ3 would be around 8,000,000, we'll round up to ten million.

From SS3 to SS God is a huge, huge increase in power. So it's safe to assume this goes from millions to trillions (remember: SSJ3 Goku literally couldn't do anything to Beerus, who simply flicked Goku's forehead to defeat him; whereas the SS God transformation allowed Goku to fight toe to toe with Beerus.)

And if SS God is in the trillions, SS Blue, which is another massive leap, is probably in the quadrillions, if not the quintillions. Let's be conservative and say 50 quadrillion. Goku can also go Kaio Ken x20 as SS Blue, which would be 50 quadrillion times 20 = one quintillion.

SSJ Blue KKX20 was useless against Jiren, whereas Ultra Instinct Omen immediately put Goku on par with Jiren, at least before Jiren powered up. So there's another massive leap. We can assume it goes from a quintillion to sextillion, or even septillion.

Then Goku and Jiren continued getting stronger even beyond that, with Goku attaining MUI and Jiren tapping into his hidden power, presumably both of them surpassing even the levels of the gods. So it's not out of the question, IMO, that their powers would be in excess of decillions. I voted for off the scale.
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GoodOlJr
09/30/20 11:49:36 AM
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There is a literally page in the manga stating ssj is 50x, so ill agree with you

But they throw away so much canon, and repeatedly show all transformations other than the max as jobber status
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3PiesAndAFork
09/30/20 11:56:24 AM
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Josiah_Is_Back posted...
It's often said Super Saiyan is a base form x50 upgrade, SSJ2 is double that, and SSJ3 is eight times as powerful as SSJ (or 400x base form).

So if SSJ put Goku on a 1,000,000 power level echelon, SSJ3 would be around 8,000,000, we'll round up to ten million.

From SS3 to SS God is a huge, huge increase in power. So it's safe to assume this goes from millions to trillions (remember: SSJ3 Goku literally couldn't do anything to Beerus, who simply flicked Goku's forehead to defeat him; whereas the SS God transformation allowed Goku to fight toe to toe with Beerus.)

And if SS God is in the trillions, SS Blue, which is another massive leap, is probably in the quadrillions, if not the quintillions. Let's be conservative and say 50 quadrillion. Goku can also go Kaio Ken x20 as SS Blue, which would be 50 quadrillion times 20 = one quintillion.

SSJ Blue KKX20 was useless against Jiren, whereas Ultra Instinct Omen immediately put Goku on par with Jiren, at least before Jiren powered up. So there's another massive leap. We can assume it goes from a quintillion to sextillion, or even septillion.

Then Goku and Jiren continued getting stronger even beyond that, with Goku attaining MUI and Jiren tapping into his hidden power, presumably both of them surpassing even the levels of the gods. So it's not out of the question, IMO, that there powers would be in excess of decillions. I voted for off the scale.
You're not even counting that he got stronger in his base form as time went on. Although, the jumps to ssg and ssb are a little hyperbolic IMO. I think trillions.

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ViewtifulGrave
09/30/20 11:58:50 AM
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GoodOlJr posted...
There is a literally page in the manga stating ssj is 50x, so ill agree with you
No there isnt. That was stated in a databook.

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GoodOlJr
09/30/20 12:00:46 PM
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So that doesnt count as manga?
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pikachupwnage
09/30/20 12:19:13 PM
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ViewtifulGrave posted...
No there isnt. That was stated in a databook.

I mean Kaioken x20 could sorta hang with 50% Freiza.

While SSJ Goku was stronger(not insurmountably so) then 100% Freiza. Freiza loss was more to his arrogance and poor stamina then power gap. If Freiza fought smart and didnt run outta steam in like 10 seconds from being a lazy delegator he couldve potentially landed a fatal blow

So it checks out.

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Lysandear
09/30/20 12:20:19 PM
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GoodOlJr posted...
Power levels are stupid, I dont think you can quantify them really after the saiyin saga.
you can't. IIRC the last power level read in canon was 4 or something (IDK about super)

literally everything after that is nerd fantheory
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Freddie_Mercury
09/30/20 12:44:37 PM
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ViewtifulGrave
09/30/20 3:08:28 PM
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GoodOlJr posted...
So that doesnt count as manga?
No.

pikachupwnage posted...
I mean Kaioken x20 could sorta hang with 50% Freiza.
Freeza blocked the x20 Kamehameha with one hand. Goku never stood a chance.

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GoodOlJr
09/30/20 3:14:05 PM
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ViewtifulGrave posted...
Freeza blocked the x20 Kamehameha with one hand. Goku never stood a chance


Also is kaioken really a base multiplier anyway?

In that case kaiokenx1 does nothing
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3PiesAndAFork
09/30/20 4:13:56 PM
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GoodOlJr posted...
Also is kaioken really a base multiplier anyway?

In that case kaiokenx1 does nothing
Maybe I'm misremembering, but there is no kk1 right?

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GoodOlJr
09/30/20 4:18:41 PM
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You might be right
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ViewtifulGrave
09/30/20 4:20:16 PM
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The base kaioken is a x2 multiplier. Toriyama messed up when he introduced kaioken x2.

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GoodOlJr
09/30/20 4:21:10 PM
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It being a multiplier is the prevaling thought for sure
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ViewtifulGrave
09/30/20 6:49:25 PM
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It not a thought its fact. Toriyama screwed up when he had the base kaioken and kaioken x2 do the same thing.

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sabin017
09/30/20 6:56:22 PM
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PL is thrown out the window once god ki is involved. The only one who's actually countered god ki with pure PL is Broly so his might actually be off the scale.

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Josiah_Is_Back
10/01/20 8:10:39 PM
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sabin017 posted...
PL is thrown out the window once god ki is involved. The only one who's actually countered god ki with pure PL is Broly so his might actually be off the scale.

Eh... what?

Frieza overpowered Sidra's Hakai energy.
Vegeta overpowered GoD Toppo.
And Jiren is Jiren.
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3PiesAndAFork
10/01/20 8:24:04 PM
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Josiah_Is_Back posted...
Eh... what?

Frieza overpowered Sidra's Hakai energy.
Vegeta overpowered GoD Toppo.
And Jiren is Jiren.
A small portion of Sidra's energy
Vegeta has God ki himself
And Jiren is Jiren.

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Josiah_Is_Back
10/01/20 8:37:08 PM
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3PiesAndAFork posted...
A small portion of Sidra's energy
Vegeta has God ki himself
And Jiren is Jiren.

Fair point regarding Vegeta.
I still think Frieza counts. Sabin017 didn't specify how much God ki, he just said God ki. Even if it's only a little of Sidra's energy, Frieza still countered it with raw power.
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