Board 8 > King of Fighters 2020 (NOT MERCS) R3D1: Sam Fisher vs The Beast (Low)

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Welcome to the King of Fighters 2020 (NOT MERCS) Simulated Character Battle Tournament!

The game is simple. The two* listed characters are placed in an (imaginary) location with a variety of (imaginary) environments, kind of like a picture in a child's schoolbook that describes different types of geological features. Within a ten mile radius, there is an (imaginary) urban downtown, exurbs, plains, snow-clad mountains at the edge, dry plains, etc. Fighters start wherever is most appropriate for them, but feel increasingly compelled to seek out their opponent and fight. Strong-willed fighters can try to hold out in their chosen environment for longer... eventually, all will succumb and actively search for the other to battle.

To participate, just vote in bold for whichever character you believe will win. Giving reasoning is optional, but please be polite and read what others have said and carefully make your decision. I'll ping the nominators (they can opt out) to give arguments if they wish.

Results/Discussion: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/78971300

TODAY'S PARTICIPANTS:
Sam Fisher (Splinter Cell)


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The Beast (Kung Fu Hustle)


@GavsEvans123 @Snake5555555555

FIGHT

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remind me, did we decide Sam Fisher only had a pistol?

leaning The Beast regardless; I figure a master martial artist isn't going to be punked that easily by random gunner #276
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Drakeryn posted...

remind me, did we decide Sam Fisher only had a pistol?

Nothing was decided. Believe he has more than a pistol or not if you want

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How is The Beast against getting caught off guard?

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NFUN posted...

Nothing was decided. Believe he has more than a pistol or not if you want

I mean, not an official ruling, but someone who knew the Sam Fisher games said his typical arsenal is not that good. I forget the details.
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without knowing what Sam actually has it's kind of hard to make a call on this >_>

like if he just has some guns with him, Beast can catch bullets. he might lose if Sam can set explosive traps, but then he was still able to fight after this

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iT8xt6XDs_U

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The Beast

Sam can't hurt him. Dude tanks being Shaolin Palmed, which is pretty much comparable to getting hit by a building sized wrecking ball.

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Not voting since I don't know anything about the Beast, but I kind of assume people go into these fights with anything they could reasonably grab upon being magically compelled to go fight someone. In Sam's case that's probably guns, various grenades, a sniper rifle and maybe some of his weirder shit, like the drone he gets in Blacklist

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The Beast

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I'd say the problem is can Sam find out this is yet another monster before engaging. If sam can do successful reconnisance and then disengage to get weapons that can deal with the beast, Sam wins.

The Beast doesn't look like someone Sam would decide he needs to go all out against, he's a frail looking old man. I wouldn't be that surprised if he just tried a tranquilizer at first or something.

Sam would have to start fighting his opponent to find out how much of a threat he is, and he's not walking away from that one.

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ZeeksFire posted...

I'd say the problem is can Sam find out this is yet another monster before engaging. If sam can do successful reconnisance and then disengage to get weapons that can deal with the beast, Sam wins.

What weapons? Do you think there's a nuclear plant he can cause a meltdown of? That's the kinda thing he'll need to take the Beast down. He's not vulnerable to conventional weapons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_Etw_BwRoY

This doesn't kill him. You tell me what kind of weapon Sam can find that will do more than this.

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Vs Battles Wiki gives this as Sam's equipment:
Five-SeveN pistol, SC-20K M.A.W.S, SC knife, Multi-vision googles (allowing Sam three different modes of vision: Night-vision, Thermal vision and EM vision, plus the ability to switch between them instantly) Karambit "Panther's Claw" combat knife, Medikit, Ballistic shield, Binoculars, Alpha Ops suit, Tear gas, Sleeping gas, Sticky Shocker, Sticky EMP, Sticky cameras, noisemakers, Tactical audio kit, Stun gun, Taser, Crossbow, Incendiary grenades, EMP grenades, Smoke grenades, Phosphorous grenades, Proximity mines, Proximity shocker, Frag grenade, Breaching charges, Tri-Rotor retcon drone, Shotguns, Assault rifles, Sniper rifles, SMGs and the Spider-bot.

The Beast can likely handle anything Sam throws at him including grenades and proximity mines...at least at first. Those weapons would at least slow him down - you can see in the Lion's Roar video posted above that the Beast still lives after the attack (and IIRC he gets up and defeats them anyway) but he's weakened by it. I could see Sam tossing out some smoke grenades to confuse the Beast and follow it up with the Spider-Bot's machine gun fire. The Beast can catch one bullet, but can he catch or dodge rapidly fired bullets?

I doubt Sam opens with his strongest weapon. He doesn't strike me as the type to underestimate foes. He'd hide in the shadows and observe. The Beast looks like a frail old man, but Sam won't take any chances.

This is such an interesting match. If the Beast catches Sam, Sam is dead. But Sam might be able to pick away at the Beast's health with his weaponry. I wouldn't discount Sam here - he can use the terrain to his advantage far better than almost anyone in this contest.

Ahem, having watched the casino fight scene, a proper amount of force can knock the Beast down, and although he recovers quickly, he was dead to rights there. He would have been defeated right there, if they didn't throw away the shot and get suckered into point blank range to get stabbed.

I'd put him more not really vulnerable to impact weapons, the idea of fire or the like (incen) could be a different answer, but as said, the big first part is sam getting knowledge on this guy and being able to disengage first.

Shonen_Bat posted...

The Beast doesn't look like someone Sam would decide he needs to go all out against, he's a frail looking old man.

This and the durability vids have sold me. I think Sam, being a covert operative, probably gets the jump on him, but underestimates the seemingly frail old man, and at that point the fight is Beast's to lose.

The Beast
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rwlh posted...

I doubt Sam opens with his strongest weapon. He doesn't strike me as the type to underestimate foes. He'd hide in the shadows and observe.

Sam would definitely hide + observe, but I feel like recon is unlikely to be that useful here because he's the only other person around. In the real world you could see him actually interacting with others and size him up that way. Here he's just sorta walking around looking for an enemy.
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Beast

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The Beast

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I could see Sam trying to move in for a chokehold and the Beast easily resisting, though at that point I think Sam can get away and regroup before the Beast gets in a good hit. After that point, Sam could pick him off with various weaponry.

Am I weird for thinking this is a close match? I might be. But I'm giving it to Sam anyway.

The Beast

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rwlh posted...

I could see Sam trying to move in for a chokehold and the Beast easily resisting, though at that point I think Sam can get away and regroup before the Beast gets in a good hit. After that point, Sam could pick him off with various weaponry.

There are some scenarios I can see Sam winning, but not that one. Sam is a completely normal human in physical terms, and the Beast is emphatically not. If Sam goes for a melee attack there's no getting away and regrouping for him - he's done.

Sam's best bet is his sniper rifle. Lots of time to regroup from a failed shot, and he could potentially just keep plinking from long range. Thing is, I don't think he opens with the sniper rifle against an apparently decrepit old man, and he loses most other forms of initial engagement.
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I could see Sam going for a chokehold and the Beast getting amused and, like, flicking him away lightly. He's a killer assassin, but he likes to toy with his opponents unless he knows he's outgunned. Sam would take that opportunity to disappear into the shadows, which means the Beast would probably just start destroying the cityscape. Sam would then bust out the heavy artillery, like the little robot with machine guns. The Beast is good but I can see him dropping the ball on this one.

rwlh posted...

I could see Sam going for a chokehold and the Beast getting amused and, like, flicking him away lightly. He's a killer assassin, but he likes to toy with his opponents unless he knows he's outgunned. Sam would take that opportunity to disappear into the shadows, which means the Beast would probably just start destroying the cityscape. Sam would then bust out the heavy artillery, like the little robot with machine guns. The Beast is good but I can see him dropping the ball on this one.

I feel like a "light flick" from the Beast involves a broken spine

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