Poll of the Day > Scalpers

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fantomas418
09/28/20 5:02:11 PM
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Judging by the results of the poll, its like almost everyone here wouldn't sell preorders for profit and screwing their fellow gaming enthusiasts.

Those who wanted answer they dont have the money to do it. So, poor people.
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Dmess85
09/28/20 5:22:37 PM
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Basically buy low (or at MSRP) and sell high (price gouging)

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ForteEXE3850
09/28/20 6:16:04 PM
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It's not just the money.

Scalping takes effort and luck.

That said, there are people willing to pay a premium because they couldn't get something that was limited in number normally.

There is a fact many people seem to ignore though.

The assumption is, if the scalper didn't buy it, you would have been able to buy it at the MSRP.

However, the reality is, if the scalper didn't buy it, chances are you still wouldn't get it, because of how many other people are also trying to buy it. The scalpers are only a small number of people in the tsunami of people trying to buy a limited product.

This is not to say I endorse scalping, I'm just clearing up the reality of the situation.

Funny how both Sony and Microsoft screwed up announcing the pre-order start times though.
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Ogurisama
09/28/20 6:18:32 PM
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I dont mind if people scalp, but I still feel preordering things like consoles or new phones should have a limited number you can buy.
That goes for concert and sporting tickets.

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Nightwind
09/29/20 1:44:30 AM
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I keep my attempts to "play the market" in the virtual worlds of the internet.

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likehelly
09/29/20 2:11:08 AM
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i sold an iphone 6 that had fortnite on it for $6000

okay i didn't, but i thought about it

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wwinterj25
09/29/20 2:27:00 AM
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Fuck em'

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Fierce_Deity_08
09/29/20 2:43:56 AM
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likehelly posted...
i sold an iphone 6 that had fortnite on it for $6000

okay i didn't, but i thought about it
I would not be surprised if someone would buy that though.

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Mead
09/29/20 3:09:46 AM
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Consumers dont owe anything to fellow consumers. If they want to resell it for a higher price and someone is willing to pay a higher price than normal for it then I dont see a problem.

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SunWuKung420
09/29/20 7:58:34 AM
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Scalping is bad, in all forms.

ForteEXE3850 posted...
The assumption is, if the scalper didn't buy it, you would have been able to buy it at the MSRP.

But they would. Scalpers don't buy 1, like most standard consumers, they buy 10 or 20. That's 10-20 less single unit consumers not being able to purchase it at msrp, multiply that by the number of scalpers and it becomes a significant number of single unit msrp consumers left to wait for a restock or to purchase the item from scalpers.

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LinkPizza
09/29/20 8:16:36 AM
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I hate scalpers. And I'd rather not own something if it meant having to buy from them. I also like videos when they talk about the times scalpers got fucked over...

SunWuKung420 posted...
But they would. Scalpers don't buy 1, like most standard consumers, they buy 10 or 20. That's 10-20 less single unit consumers not being able to purchase it at msrp, multiply that by the number of scalpers and it becomes a significant number of single unit msrp consumers left to wait for a restock or to purchase the item from scalpers.

This, as well. In one video, it was talking about how the scalpers were trying to take back all the ones they bought and stuff. Scalpers will get as many as they can to sell.

Not to mention, even one could fuck you over. If you were the next one in line or something...
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adjl
09/29/20 8:38:24 AM
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ForteEXE3850 posted...
However, the reality is, if the scalper didn't buy it, chances are you still wouldn't get it, because of how many other people are also trying to buy it. The scalpers are only a small number of people in the tsunami of people trying to buy a limited product.

Ehhh, that's debatable. It's not at all uncommon to see formal scalping businesses make up more than half of ticket sales for really popular concerts and the like, including some cases where some tickets are just sold directly to resale companies in exchange for a cut of the profits. That's less true for video game systems, since they're just practically harder to flip (more expensive to ship, physically harder to purchase in large volumes, generally have to line up in person), but often scalpers do make a significant dent in the available MSRP supply.

Now, in practice, there are enough people lined up behind the scalpers that most interested parties still aren't likely to get their own without being similarly aggressive in lining up. If there are none left when you check after work the next day (presuming midnight release), that would probably have been the case regardless of scalpers' involvement. That said, for those who are eagerly lining up and would have an appreciable chance of getting their own, halving the available supply (or even just reducing it by 20-30%) does put a significant dent in their chances.

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b_hamnite
09/29/20 9:06:29 AM
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fantomas418 posted...
Judging by the results of the poll, its like almost everyone here wouldn't sell preorders for profit and screwing their fellow gaming enthusiasts.

Those who wanted answer they dont have the money to do it. So, poor people.

I don't understand your second statement as it's written. (Apologies if English isn't your first language)

As for the poll/question, no I don't support scalpers and think that while it may be "legal", it's morally reprehensible. I know mamy scoff at the notion, but principles still matter. For me personally, I got my Series X preorder in and had the opportunity to grab a couple extra to profit off of, but didn't.

1. It's a dick move. Plain and simple. 2. You're then robbing others of their chance at something they've probably been anticipating for awhile. (Other than scalpers, I sincerely doubt anyone was clicking F5 on those two days unless they really wanted a new console)

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LinkPizza
09/29/20 9:35:54 AM
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b_hamnite posted...
I don't understand your second statement as it's written. (Apologies if English isn't your first language)

I cant say for certain, but I think what they meant was the second most voted option was people that said they didnt have the time/money to do it, but want to. So, hes saying its most likely the poor people who voted that... Though, busy people would probably vote that, too...
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kangolcone
09/29/20 10:39:07 AM
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ForteEXE3850 posted...
It's not just the money.

Scalping takes effort and luck.

That said, there are people willing to pay a premium because they couldn't get something that was limited in number normally.

There is a fact many people seem to ignore though.

The assumption is, if the scalper didn't buy it, you would have been able to buy it at the MSRP.

However, the reality is, if the scalper didn't buy it, chances are you still wouldn't get it, because of how many other people are also trying to buy it. The scalpers are only a small number of people in the tsunami of people trying to buy a limited product.

This is not to say I endorse scalping, I'm just clearing up the reality of the situation.

Funny how both Sony and Microsoft screwed up announcing the pre-order start times though.

This is the weirdest justification Ive seen in a long while. In this scenario there are two outcomes, one is I dont get the item and the other is I dont get the intern and somebody else is forced to pay an inflated price.

How is the second one better?


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ForteEXE3850
09/29/20 11:14:35 AM
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ForteEXE3850 posted...
It's not just the money.

Scalping takes effort and luck.

That said, there are people willing to pay a premium because they couldn't get something that was limited in number normally.

There is a fact many people seem to ignore though.

The assumption is, if the scalper didn't buy it, you would have been able to buy it at the MSRP.

However, the reality is, if the scalper didn't buy it, chances are you still wouldn't get it, because of how many other people are also trying to buy it. The scalpers are only a small number of people in the tsunami of people trying to buy a limited product.

This is not to say I endorse scalping, I'm just clearing up the reality of the situation.

Funny how both Sony and Microsoft screwed up announcing the pre-order start times though.

kangolcone posted...


This is the weirdest justification Ive seen in a long while. In this scenario there are two outcomes, one is I dont get the item and the other is I dont get the intern and somebody else is forced to pay an inflated price.

How is the second one better?


I didn't justify it, or say one is better than the other.

However, saying someone was "forced" to buy from a scalper at an inflated price is incorrect. Unless your livelihood is connected to buying said limited product, if you choose to buy from a scalper at an inflated price, it was because you decided it was worth the money to you even at the inflated price, even if you would have preferred to pay less, because everyone prefers to pay less.
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Muscles
09/29/20 11:59:24 AM
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Fuck scalpers, they can go to hell, I can't believe some people actually think screwing people over through underhanded means is ok

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fantomas418
09/29/20 4:05:20 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
I cant say for certain, but I think what they meant was the second most voted option was people that said they didnt have the time/money to do it, but want to. So, hes saying its most likely the poor people who voted that... Though, busy people would probably vote that, too...
Yeah that's it. Probably the autocorrect hit something but i don't understand how i wrote it lol
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fantomas418
09/29/20 4:07:55 PM
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Mead posted...
Consumers dont owe anything to fellow consumers. If they want to resell it for a higher price and someone is willing to pay a higher price than normal for it then I dont see a problem.
I don't agree. If someone buy all the toilet papers or Purell and some people dont have access to it or need to spend double or trice the price, that's just bad and no matter how you spin it, they are a$$h0l3
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Clench281
09/29/20 4:22:29 PM
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fantomas418 posted...
I don't agree. If someone buy all the toilet papers or Purell and some people dont have access to it or need to spend double or trice the price, that's just bad and no matter how you spin it

In truth, the manufacturer or retailer should be increasing the price in this case.

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b_hamnite
09/29/20 4:27:09 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
I cant say for certain, but I think what they meant was the second most voted option was people that said they didnt have the time/money to do it, but want to. So, hes saying its most likely the poor people who voted that... Though, busy people would probably vote that, too...

Gotcha.

One thing I really wish retailers would employ is the Captcha bot blockers. At least that would help (I assume) hinder if not outright stop the scalper bots. I would be fine with an extra 5-8 seconds of clicking to make sure that only actual people got to preorder the new consoles.

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LinkPizza
09/29/20 4:55:09 PM
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Clench281 posted...
In truth, the manufacturer or retailer should be increasing the price in this case.

Well, the problem isnt how much the manufacturer is selling it for. Its the scalpers. Even if the manufacturer raises the prices, the scalpers will do the same...

b_hamnite posted...
Gotcha.

One thing I really wish retailers would employ is the Captcha bot blockers. At least that would help (I assume) hinder if not outright stop the scalper bots. I would be fine with an extra 5-8 seconds of clicking to make sure that only actual people got to preorder the new consoles.

Doing something about the bots would actually be awesome. Though, Im not sure they would. In the end, theyre still getting paid and its not their problem. Though, stopping the bots would definitely make them look better to the public...
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