Poll of the Day > Woman says KAREN is the new RACIST SLUR for WHITE PEOPLE!! Is she right???

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papercup posted...

If she doesn't want to be called a Karen then should stop acting like a fucking Karen.

i think Karen's trying to shield themselves behind the slur argument is dumb in case you couldn't tell.

but replace "Karen" in your post with any other slur and tell me what's wrong with what you just said.

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WhiskeyDisk posted...

but replace "Karen" in your post with any other slur and tell me what's wrong with what you just said.

Does bitch work?

If she doesn't want to be called a bitch then should stop acting like a fucking bitch.

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BarneyBosco posted...

Only good little b****es wear masks.

BarneyBosco posted...

Only good little b****es obey traffic lights.

BarneyBosco posted...

Only good little b****es poop in toilets instead of on the street.

Oh hey it sounds just as stupid regardless of which other public safety measure you substitute. Who knew?

BarneyBosco posted...

risk getting the flu.

I really baffles me that there are still idiots who think this is the flu. That comparison (let alone equivocation) hasn't made any sense at all for a solid six months now. But then people who know absolutely nothing about medicine have been terribly vocal for pretty much this entire pandemic, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.

WhiskeyDisk posted...

but replace "Karen" in your post with any other slur and tell me what's wrong with what you just said.

It is indeed something people need to be cognizant of. I would say it's different because the term intrinsically describes behaviour and not anything else (saying "If you don't want to be called stupid, don't act stupid," for example, would be fine), whereas actual slurs fundamentally describe race (et al), with racists appending behavioural characteristics onto the slurs based on their racist stereotypes. It's easy to slip into seeing race (et al) first and behaviour second, but I don't think that's a significant issue with "Karen" just yet, and shouldn't be so long as there's a continuous push to limit the term of Karenly behaviour.

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BarneyBosco posted...

Oh and calling people a pussy is misogynistic and problematic. Woman is strong now, have you been living under a rock? So sad.

Shut up pussy.

WhiskeyDisk posted...

i think Karens trying to shield themselves behind the slur argument is dumb in case you couldn't tell.

but replace "Karen" in your post with any other slur and tell me what's wrong with what you just said.

In absence of those behaviors, Karen isn't used because it wouldn't make sense. Racial slurs are used to demean a person on account of their immutable quality, race. If the use of Karen changes such that people are using it to refer to any white woman, just to insult their being white or Woman, then the question can be reevaluated. Maybe at that point the Chris Rock argument might hold some water.

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Collat posted...

That's not the same thing and you fucking know it.

Also false.

first of all, i want to make it clear that i dont think the term karen is racist

now explain to me how its not the same thing, because evidently i dont fucking know it.

you said that because its not other races using the term for the most part, its not racist

the n word is used by black people waaay more often that it is by white people for the most part, and so following your logic, its not racist.

you came to the right conclusion, but your logic is completely ass backwards

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Where are all these black "Karens" everyone has seen? I've only seen it used towards middle aged white women...

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Don't be a Karen and you won't get called a Karen, it's not like it's used on all white people

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Dragooncancer_ posted...

Where are all these black "Karens" everyone has seen? I've only seen it used towards middle aged white women...

Ive seen them when visiting home. It might be because there are more black people in my home town...
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Also white isn't a race, it's a Deme.

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Lokarin posted...

Also white isn't a race, it's a Deme.

This is not true. Deme is a much more localized subdivision than race.

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Clench281 posted...

This is not true. Deme is a much more localized subdivision than race.

Isn't that a Cline?

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No. Cline has to do with (continuous) degrees of variation over space.

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Noop_Noop posted...

the n word is used by black people waaay more often that it is by white people for the most part, and so following your logic, its not racist.

Hard "er" is used by whites.
"a" is used by blacks.

And they aren't the same word at all.


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Noop_Noop posted...

now explain to me how its not the same thing, because evidently i dont fucking know it.

The N-word was created specifically to insult black people for their skin color and is only used to refer to black people. When black people use it, they don't use the hard R.

Karen is just an insult used for entitled women (sometimes men.)

If those two things sound the same to you, then something is wrong.

It's used against guys as well now

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EvilMegas posted...

Hard "er" is used by whites.
"a" is used by blacks.

And they aren't the same word at all.

so if a white dude starts dropping it without that hard R its not offensive? because if it is still racist then clearly it carries the same connotations, meaning they are pretty much the same word or at least similar. either way, seems pretty dumb to say they "arent the same word at all"

Collat posted...

If those two things sound the same to you, then something is wrong.

bruh, i already said i dont think karen is a racist term. all i said was that your logic as to WHY its not a racist term is dumb.

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blu posted...

Karen has a stereotypical gender, race, haircut, and attitude. Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(pejorative) ) does mention "As of 2020, the term was increasingly being used as a general-purpose term of disapproval for middle-aged white women."

White women make up a much greater proportion of the US Karen population than those of other races. Structural racism exposes white women to distinct stressors causing them to be targeted by an unfair system, such as targeting a popular haircut style for middle aged white women.

Or people can stop calling using a demeaning slur against her and then video taping her reaction to being called offensive terms.

Lol using Wikipedia as a source. The even funnier thing is what you quoted doesn't even have a reference after it.
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Noop_Noop posted...

so if a white dude starts dropping it without that hard R its not offensive? because if it is still racist then clearly it carries the same connotations, meaning they are pretty much the same word or at least similar. either way, seems pretty dumb to say they "arent the same word at all"

You can use almost any word in a seemingly offensive way if you frame it right, you bayou lover.

That's nothing, but it seems like it could be a insult. It's like using your and you're.

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Noop_Noop posted...

bruh, i already said i dont think karen is a racist term. all i said was that your logic as to WHY its not a racist term is dumb.

Then you didn't read it properly, or you are just that ignorant.

A white person using a term to refer to a white person where race doesn't play a factor into the insult is not racist. You can swap the races of both around and it makes no difference whatsoever.

Race will always play a factor in the N-word regardless of who is using it. So to compare the two is just really stupid.

Collat posted...

Then you didn't read it properly, or you are just that ignorant.

A white person using a term to refer to a white person where race doesn't play a factor into the insult is not racist. You can swap the races of both around and it makes no difference whatsoever.

Race will always play a factor in the N-word regardless of who is using it. So to compare the two is just really stupid.

Again, that's not true.

The version ending in "a" has become a synonym for "dude" to black people. It can be endearing or negative depending on the context.

Black people will rarely use the "er" version unless it is to directly insult someone.


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EvilMegas posted...

Again, that's not true.

The version ending in "a" has become a synonym for "dude" to black people. It can be endearing or negative depending on the context.

Black people will rarely use the "er" version unless it is to directly insult someone.

Race still plays a factor. It can be endearing to some, while other black people don't even like that usage, but it's always a racial term.

They still don't use the hard R version nearly as much as white people either way though.

Collat posted...

Race still plays a factor. It can be endearing to some, while other black people don't even like that usage, but it's always a racial term.

They still don't use the hard R version nearly as much as white people either way though.

Just because some people dont like it doesnt mean it's still racial.
People dont like being call bitch, but it's not because of its textbook definition. They dont like it because of its slang definition. Which has nothing to do with its actual meaning. 1 word 2 wholly different meanings.

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EvilMegas posted...

Just because some people dont like it doesnt mean it's still racial.

I think you are confusing racial and racist.

I'm not saying the term is still racist, or necessarily even bad. Unless it's like an Uncle Rukas situation.

Im telling you that it isn't racial at all.

That's how non POCs perceive both words but, again, WE don't use it in that manner. Its just a way of referencing another human, of any race, sex or whatever. Like the word dude.

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EvilMegas posted...

Im telling you that it isn't racial at all.

That's how non POCs perceive both words but, again, WE don't use it in that manner. Its just a way of referencing another human, of any race, sex or whatever. Like the word dude.

Well I wont try to argue it. My point that it's not comparable to Karen still stands, but that was someone else's argument.

I agree with that as well.

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The term karen is a derogatory term that is biased and unfair against women actually nammed Karen.

the proper term for these obnoxious self entitled bitches who make a scene for no reason should simply be bitch.

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Conner4REAL posted...

The term karen is a derogatory term that is biased and unfair against women actually nammed Karen.

the proper term for these obnoxious self entitled bitches who make a scene for no reason should simply be bitch.

equating a strong, opinionated woman that don't need no man to a female dog in heat is HIGHLY offensive!

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WhiskeyDisk posted...

equating a strong, opinionated woman that don't need no man to a female dog in heat is HIGHLY offensive!

the type of woman who is typically associated with the term Karen as referenced in this topic is neither strong, nor just opinionated and whether they need or want a man or any other lover or not is certainly not a part of the definition.

no referring to a Karen as the slang has become as a bitch is an accurate Insult to that type of person who is earning such a title through their misdeeds (likely the result of them being the exact opposite of strong but weak, weak minded and petty to conduct themselves in the manner associated w the negative term of this topic). Using the term Karen for those types of women is an insult to a normal girl simply nammed Karen.

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i prefer calling none mask users pathological idiots because most of them don't know what these two words together imply

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Conner4REAL posted...

the type of woman who is typically associated with the term Karen as referenced in this topic is neither strong, nor just opinionated and whether they need or want a man or any other lover or not is certainly not a part of the definition.

no referring to a Karen as the slang has become as a bitch is an accurate Insult to that type of person who is earning such a title through their misdeeds (likely the result of them being the exact opposite of strong but weak, weak minded and petty to conduct themselves in the manner associated w the negative term of this topic). Using the term Karen for those types of women is an insult to a normal girl simply nammed Karen.

r/whoosh

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LinkPizza posted...

Black women can also be Karens. They even have male Karens. Karen is for everybody!

I've never seen anyone call a black woman a Karen though. But I used to bartend and I can say without a doubt that there are definitely black Karens too

We don't need anecdotes to know that anyone can be a Karen. But a) not everyone knows about the name, 2) not everyone likes the name (as shown in this very thread), and iii) not everyone is above calling them a straight up bitch.

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OhhhJa posted...

I've never seen anyone call a black woman a Karen though. But I used to bartend and I can say without a doubt that there are definitely black Karens too

Ive heard of it in stories. I personally dont really see many people called Karen in real life, though. White or black. Or to their face. But I do know they can be called Karens...
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Lol only time oohjaa cares about equality is when it's to bring black people down

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