Board 8 > Anyone interested in Among Us?

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I think plum just means that that kind of game isn't really exciting to him.

Or that that aspect doesn't interest him. Which is totally fair.

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That is fair, indeed. I can see why that wouldn't be for everyone.

I just thought his objection boiled down to "all I'm doing is walking aimlessly around doing tasks between the fun parts" so I was pointing out why the walking around doesn't have to be aimless, and how it can be just as much a part of the investigation as the talking parts.

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Yeah, I mean I hate chess for that exact reason. I find the idea of spending hundreds of hours memorizing board positions and openings horrific.

Doesn't mean I go around dissing chess. I just suppose having played mafia for so long I had high expectations and it was kind of a let down. I would play again but I dont think its a game I would ever actively try to get started.

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And as for just walking around aimlessly, ever play body-body in real life?

exactly what you are describing. Loved it. Its among us in real life with no tasks.

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Yeah, I've played Body Body and personally I don't care for that game for the same reason I have never enjoyed playing mafia in real life. No one I know in real life puts enough thought into the game so it just becomes thoughtless chaos. I'm too used to the board where there is a baseline acceptable skill level and everyone understands at least the basics. I tried explaining to people in real life that we should No Lynch because we weren't at lynch-lose yet, but if we mislynched we would lose and I was met with blank stares.

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Yeah, social deduction games require the right audience for sure.

To be fair B8 has had some equally terrible mafia play on occasion.

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body body was fun the one night i played with friends, but the location we played in was very linear and didn't allow for slipping past people much. You could keep an eye on a hallway and it covered everything, i think the killer only won maybe 10% of the time

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I completely agree with FD. (well, I do think "meta gaming" about tasks is way too unfavoured for imposters due to game knowledge, but it's a reasonable part of the game)

It's not 7 minutes of random walking. I spend the entire time between discussions pushing my brain to 150% capacity trying to remember everybody I see, what direction they went when I lost them, and who they were with. Then when discussion comes, I forget like 80% of what I saw. Was that a brown player or an orange player that came out of the room with the body? I saw red13 and another player at weapons.... who was the other player again??? Maybe I'll ask him at the meeting. Everybody has a piece of the puzzle of what events occurred between meetings, and they probably don't remember or interpret everything they saw correctly. Meeting time is when everybody tries to contribute their flawed puzzle pieces and we try to fit them all together. This is also imposter's opportunity to contribute completely made up puzzle pieces to confuse the picture for everyone, or to contribute their own rock solid truthful pieces to appear like they are crew. Town tries to vote based on their incomplete picture and imposter just tries to keep that picture as vague as possible.

I think this is really engaging gameplay loop, especially with voice to keep discussions moving quickly. This might be the most enjoyable mafia game I've played.

Board mafia was obviously awesome with tons of strategic depth, but required so much of a time commitment I just couldn't do it sustain it after a couple years (though I really treasure the memories I have of those games!). AIMfia I just never enjoyed because I could not keep up with reading the chat as it flew by and actually contribute to discussion at the same time. Town of Salem was a neat game but good discussion didn't really seem possible to me. In person Mafia is fun but I rarely get groups for those and the groups I have are typically a bunch of heart on their sleeve drunks.... which is a ton of fun but never really scratched the strategic itch I like in these games.

Honestly, despite a few rough edges I think Among Us is really great.

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My problem is that my memory is so shit. Meanwhile others can be like, "oh yeah I remember so and so did a task for 3.6 seconds about 5 rounds ago and then they passed by Blue who was doing a task for 5.4 seconds but then they doubled back and that's when I saw... etc etc etc"

Me: "Uh, I think I saw Red that round?"

Also doesn't help that I have mild Deutan colorblindness.

It's not really something you can get better at either. Skill based games you can train and become better, but if your memory is shit or you literally can't tell the difference between the blue and purple guys, then you are just fucked no matter what you do.

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And I'm not saying there aren't things you can't get better at in Among Us. I'm specifically talking about remembering things and colorblind shenanigans

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Zigzagoon posted...

My problem is that my memory is so shit. Meanwhile others can be like, "oh yeah I remember so and so did a task for 3.6 seconds about 5 rounds ago and then they passed by Blue who was doing a task for 5.4 seconds but then they doubled back and that's when I saw... etc etc etc"

Me: "Uh, I think I saw Red that round?"

Also doesn't help that I have mild Deutan colorblindness.

It's not really something you can get better at either. Skill based games you can train and become better, but if your memory is shit or you literally can't tell the difference between the blue and purple guys, then you are just fucked no matter what you do.

You can definitely train your memory to be better. You can also use a pen and paper to write down who went which way. there are solutions there.


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I agree with ermine that it's a tough thing to deal with, I feel like I'm not remembering details nearly as well as other people.... But developing habits to help yourself remember what you are seeing is definitely possible. Maybe not to get to the same level as everyone else, but to say it can't be trained is just deciding you can't do it before you try.

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That's like saying just to not have anxiety while playing these types of games. My mind is just going a mile a minute and filled with so many different things and being worried about everything.

I guess I'll just stop having anxiety >_>

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I'm still pretty trash at remembering myself and I had a pretty significant throw yesterday where I thought I saw brown leaving the body but it was actually black, crap like that happens.

As far as tasks I would say if you are trying to observe others just pick 1 (or maybe 2) people and try and validate them doing a single task. Or pick one task in particular that has multiple parts and follow someone from the first part to make sure they do the second. You don't have to go full galaxy bran and remember everything, just keep your scope small and remember 1 or 2 things very well.

Hell sometimes the best use of your time during a round is to hard clear a single person. I had a round yesterday where I was able to hard clear peaf and doing only that still gives you someone you can confidently run around with and know that you are both safe from a single impostor.

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I mean yeah you can work really hard to improve your memory to be better at the game.

I'll stick to getting paid when I work that hard

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I've actually found you can have a good time without remembering everything.

I usually try to focus on one person and sort of hang out with them and see their actions as well as hear how they act in the chat. It makes it a lot easier to tell when they're lying

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I think you guys are thinking about it too hard but this is b8 after all

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Peace___Frog posted...

I think you guys are thinking about it too hard but this is b8 after all

Haha honestly that's accurate

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Anyone in for some games tonight?

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I will say playing with B8 is a lot different than playing with my friends.

With my friends the deduction process is more like, "Okay, they said there were in this area after the oxygen went out, but this person was nearby and didn't see them run by, so let's agree they're kind of suspicious..." but here it's like "I was watching people at admin and this person said they completed a task in the engine room but they were only in there for 5 seconds when that task should take 8.5 seconds. Combining this with the fact that the task they said they did couldn't have been generated alongside the task they said they did earlier means we can positively identify them as the murderer with 100% certainty. Gg."

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Im glad I havent joined in the recent b8 games then, that sounds so unfun lol

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Grand Kirby posted...

but here it's like "I was watching people at admin and this person said they completed a task in the engine room but they were only in there for 5 seconds when that task should take 8.5 seconds. Combining this with the fact that the task they said they did couldn't have been generated alongside the task they said they did earlier means we can positively identify them as the murderer with 100% certainty. Gg."

this is certainly not at all my experience playing with board 8

Granted, I've only played for a couple hours and maybe it was just the people in that game, but still.

There's three general levels of player skill in an Among Us group

Good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lLmodkv8R4

Average Game: https://www.reddit.com/r/AmongUs/comments/ixy3zw/among_us_animation_by_willardworm/

Game with randoms: https://www.reddit.com/r/AmongUs/comments/ix3hkt/among_us_struggles/

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Reg posted...

this is certainly not at all my experience playing with board 8

Granted, I've only played for a couple hours and maybe it was just the people in that game, but still.

Same, i played for 9ish hours in total and I don't think timing of the tasks came up once.

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Grand Kirby posted...

With my friends the deduction process is more like, "Okay, they said there were in this area after the oxygen went out, but this person was nearby and didn't see them run by, so let's agree they're kind of suspicious..." but here it's like "I was watching people at admin and this person said they completed a task in the engine room but they were only in there for 5 seconds when that task should take 8.5 seconds. Combining this with the fact that the task they said they did couldn't have been generated alongside the task they said they did earlier means we can positively identify them as the murderer with 100% certainty. Gg."

I dont think that has literally ever happened in the 3 or 4 nights I've played with B8

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Yea that has not been my experience playing with B8 at all.

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Zigzagoon posted...

That's like saying just to not have anxiety while playing these types of games. My mind is just going a mile a minute and filled with so many different things and being worried about everything.

I guess I'll just stop having anxiety >_>

Replying to this might be a bad idea but here goes <_<

I don't know that I want to start a whole discussion about mental health here, but I'd say that, no, this isn't saying not to have anxiety, this more like saying you can develop techniques and learned behaviors to manage your anxiety. I can give examples of that but maybe that would be best done in DM's or somewhere else.

In regards to memory, you just want to perform some simple repetitive exercises to keep a small number of things in focus, A simple example would be repeating a few things you see to yourself out loud or in your head. If I see red13 and sytha in weapons, if I get to the meeting I might forget who I saw in weapons. so next time I see that, i'll just repeat that to myself, "red13 and sytha in weapons", "red13 and sytha in weapons" while I'm running around. If I end up seeing ermine in navigation, i might add that to my repeat. " i saw red13 and sytha in weapons, ermine in nav," "red13 and sytha in weapons, ermine in nav". I might see other people but I won't add everybody to the mantra.

When I get to the meeting... i don't remember everything I saw, but if red died.... i can at least contribute that i saw red13 and sytha in weapons.

Maybe this it sounds dumb or just really basic but i actually do this, if you guys could hear me the entire time between meetings you'd be hearing this shit non stop.

It might not put me on the same level as what everyone else seems to be doing, but it doesn't really matter. It's an improvement at a part of the game i have trouble with, like any other skill.

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I also have really bad anxiety and actually spent a few minutes on Saturday discussing this with my therapist, when i was scum on Friday my heartbeat was pounding through my ears. A few mental tricks and perspective changes later, i crushed a couple impostor games without the anxiety fucking me over. Obviously it helped that i knew the maps and tasks better and wasn't a total newbie, but the biggest thing for me really was in how i approached thinking about the game.

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I'm actually with Cly on this one. Repetition definitely helps memory and I've found that doing stressful things help manage my anxiety. I usually try to channel it through difficult video games.

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Grand Kirby posted...

I will say playing with B8 is a lot different than playing with my friends.

With my friends the deduction process is more like, "Okay, they said there were in this area after the oxygen went out, but this person was nearby and didn't see them run by, so let's agree they're kind of suspicious..." but here it's like "I was watching people at admin and this person said they completed a task in the engine room but they were only in there for 5 seconds when that task should take 8.5 seconds. Combining this with the fact that the task they said they did couldn't have been generated alongside the task they said they did earlier means we can positively identify them as the murderer with 100% certainty. Gg."

Gonna push back on this one, I don't think this is accurate to board 8 at all.

I watch a lot of streamer lobbies, since I think watching them is almost as fun as actually playing and I can do it while focusing on other things. There's always a bit of task meta when everybody has a lot of experience and knowledge, but there's only a few lobbies I've seen that reach even close to the level described here

Like here's an example of Summit getting mad about it from Train calling it out. Some players like Train relish in this kind of observation, but I don't think it's true for a lot of players or the only way to play the game.

https://clips.twitch.tv/InexpensiveTameAlpacaTBTacoRight

I've complained about this kind of task meta a bit here already, so I find really fine details like Train pointed out to be too far.... but board 8 thankfully is really baby mode on that kind of thing so far. I think the most impactful task meta has been "i can confirm blue did the medbay scan before me, it told me" which is really basic >_>

I played with a different lobby even worse at it last night that had a lot of first and second time players, and when people tried to task meta they were usually just straight up wrong about it like saying "i saw you do wires and the task bar didn't go up!" when wires doesn't contribute to task bar until you do the last one. So there is traps in task meta. It was a fun lobby though. I got imposter in the first round and killed players in obscure enough locations that no meetings were called until I won the game. Fun lobby, gave me my first imposter win ^_^

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Doing task meta can be fun at times as long as it's natural. There was one time I had garbage as a task so I started in cafeteria and I noticed someone else doing it before me.

The discussion gets called and I was called sus, so I was like hey me and Green both had trash so we can confirm each other next round. We go to do garbage and he doesn't do it, I ask him why and he claims he didn't have it, so we sent him hurtling into space.

It can sometimes be fun, but you generally don't want to force it a lot

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I always forget to look at my tasks before doing them. Someone accused me of venting yesterday, and I didn't. If I had looked at my tasks I could have proven my innocence because I had a med bay scan. (The person who accused me wasn't even an imposter, they just saw me disappear because of a bug)

Anyone want to play tonight?

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Yes

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I'd be down to try

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We got three interested so far!

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Ill play

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Wait, Mobile or pc?

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It's crossplay so doesn't matter.

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How about now I have some free time

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I checked with the discord to see if anyone else was interested.

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Still got plenty of room!

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Room code is WPFRQQ

We have voice chat going on in the Discord.

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Says it cant find the game

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Fixed

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WFPRQQ. If you can't join, change your player name to something else and change the Server to Europe/Asia then back to NA. It helps and we don't know why.

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i mostly agree with plum on this issue - as a casual player, having to memorize what all the tasks are, their locations, their timing, which ones are paired, which are common, etc, feels like a huge barrier to playing imposter which makes me not want to play the game as much.

i also agree with plum that the game doesn't have as much of the mafia-like social deduction based on behaviour, but that's a plus rather than a minus to me. like he says, if i want to play mafia i'd play mafia - i like that among us is more "casual" in that aspect and lets you focus more on memorizing people's positions, alibis, who they were with, their paths, etc. makes it less stressful to me.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/755890063

here's a 1v6 i got yesterday with zero bodies discovered, was pretty proud of it

Nice Dels! That was good use of venting to snipe around the map. I honesty am scared to use tthem for fear of not being able to explain my pathing so I probably would have just run around looking for people, but that made it so clean.

BTW are you making a run at streaming?

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